The Lebanese political crisis!!! (36 Viewers)
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Hopefully Sark will help with the International trial
But, I've heard about Nicola Sarkozy. He is swaying towards the right wing and doesn't support the peaceful ways to deal with some issues. In other words, he is the opposite of President Jack Chirac. Anyways, I'm not eligible to give an opinion now. Hopefully, he'd be a better leader. Even though, I still wouldn't be able to give a fair opinion as I divorced politics, I may return someday though.
Please tell me what you expect of those who want their lands back...
Do you want Palestinians to sing for Bush and his gang?
Do you want the refugees' sons and daughters not to dream of leaving the shitty camps and going back to their lands??
The only problem is using Mickey Mouse. They could use some characters of our culture. That would be better. The little girl is talented, though.
Do you want Palestinians to sing for Bush and his gang?
Do you want the refugees' sons and daughters not to dream of leaving the shitty camps and going back to their lands??
The only problem is using Mickey Mouse. They could use some characters of our culture. That would be better. The little girl is talented, though.
Haven't you asked yourself someday what they teach the Israeli kids in Israel? Do you know that the Israeli kids who are in religious schools pay no taxes and don't share in the military service?
But why? Simply, because they'll serve the original idea of the foundation of Israel. I'm not saying that the Palestinians are doing that in response to the previous fact. But, there is a historical victim and there is a historical transgressor, hence, if Israel has the right to teach poisons to its new generations, what is the problem with Palestine teaching the historical rights to its new generations then?
But why? Simply, because they'll serve the original idea of the foundation of Israel. I'm not saying that the Palestinians are doing that in response to the previous fact. But, there is a historical victim and there is a historical transgressor, hence, if Israel has the right to teach poisons to its new generations, what is the problem with Palestine teaching the historical rights to its new generations then?
Thats just terrible and disgusting...IMHO, like vinny said, kids should just live their innocent age, thats called innocent age, they have enough time in the future to think about politics, but thats not good at this age to be writing on rockets or wearing micky mouse like the one we've seen in the link.
I mean they teach the Israeli kids much more when we compare it to what we watched in that Palestinian programme.
Look, it is like a series of events connected to each others. There is a governmental support to the Israeli people in order to urge them to educate their children in these religious schools. How? By paying no taxes, no military service with more authorities to the kids, who are educated in these schools, therefore, forming a new powerful generation of Haredim. And Haredim are the Israeli Ultra Orthodox who form more than 16% (I'm not sure about the number) of the Israeli society nowadays. Hence, the society and more important the founders of Israel can guarantee a more religious generation in the future who believes in the project
Look, it is like a series of events connected to each others. There is a governmental support to the Israeli people in order to urge them to educate their children in these religious schools. How? By paying no taxes, no military service with more authorities to the kids, who are educated in these schools, therefore, forming a new powerful generation of Haredim. And Haredim are the Israeli Ultra Orthodox who form more than 16% (I'm not sure about the number) of the Israeli society nowadays. Hence, the society and more important the founders of Israel can guarantee a more religious generation in the future who believes in the project
The thing here ahmed is that we shouldnt make comparison between kids here and kids there. the point is that society no matter where no matter who should keep kids away from politics...
In Lebanon for example, you stop a boy who havent completed his 6years old can tell you his political views and give you his reasons, its crazy.
In Lebanon for example, you stop a boy who havent completed his 6years old can tell you his political views and give you his reasons, its crazy.
I agree with you 100% Rab that this is not just against innocence, which is the best trait in such an age, but also against our nature being humans; with different age stages and different traits.
Lets take any secure country as an example. If there is a peaceful secure life, rearing children would be natural. On the contrary, if there are animosities, hatred, wars, historical beliefs and rights that grow up every day, etc..., life would absolutely be different. I know that this sounds terrible, but unfortunately, this is the world where we belong.
In Lebanon, despite the presence of opposing ideologies, no one can deny that it is still a place where one would like to live and rear his children. Yet, still the nature of the place forces you to face somethings you don't even think that you may face someday. The example you mentioned is enough, what forced a boy aged 6 years to think about politics, it was just a reaction. Yes, we dislike that, but we can't change it, only the reality on land can do.
Lets take any secure country as an example. If there is a peaceful secure life, rearing children would be natural. On the contrary, if there are animosities, hatred, wars, historical beliefs and rights that grow up every day, etc..., life would absolutely be different. I know that this sounds terrible, but unfortunately, this is the world where we belong.
In Lebanon, despite the presence of opposing ideologies, no one can deny that it is still a place where one would like to live and rear his children. Yet, still the nature of the place forces you to face somethings you don't even think that you may face someday. The example you mentioned is enough, what forced a boy aged 6 years to think about politics, it was just a reaction. Yes, we dislike that, but we can't change it, only the reality on land can do.
I'm astounded in some people's views on the world here. Tell me, what is so different from a Palestinian kid taught to hate Israel; to kill for the survival of his people than for instance a kid growing up in the hood?
There are 14 year olds walking around with gats and shit shooting people, joining gangs, using drugs, drinking alcohol, you name it. Why is that not considered a problem? Why are the Palestinian or Israeli youth so valuable to you?
Get real people. Where ever there are problems; whether they're urban, political, religious, etc. people will be fucked up. Their life's are tormented by war, poverty, grief, despair, etc. And most of the time these people are not themselves to blame. Usually it's being caused by someone from the outside. So these people are simply pawns in their little games and a spectacle to everyone else.
There are 14 year olds walking around with gats and shit shooting people, joining gangs, using drugs, drinking alcohol, you name it. Why is that not considered a problem? Why are the Palestinian or Israeli youth so valuable to you?
Get real people. Where ever there are problems; whether they're urban, political, religious, etc. people will be fucked up. Their life's are tormented by war, poverty, grief, despair, etc. And most of the time these people are not themselves to blame. Usually it's being caused by someone from the outside. So these people are simply pawns in their little games and a spectacle to everyone else.
One may think that you live in Israel and know everything that's going on here. In fact you just wrote a bunch of baloneys.
How do you know what we teach our kids? Have you seen any recording of it? Or a TV show where we teach our kids hatred? Have you heard how we teach our kids to hate and to destroy the other side? Or perhaps you've learned in one of our schools by yourself?
On the other hand, we just saw one of the evidences of what the other side teaches its children.
And there's no program to encourage secular kids to educate in religious schools. In fact the goverment tried a few times to cut the religious schools budget, but the reigning parties needed the support of the religious parties in order to assemble a coalition, and one of their (the religious parties) conditions was to leave the budget as is (and sometimes even to increase it).
And about guaranteeing more religious generation... Well, vast majority (and not all of them) of the religious folks don't serve in the army, and Israel interested in soldiers that could protect our country. So why do we need to guarantee more religious generation that will not serve in the army and will not pay taxes (as you say)? Do the math.
And again, this thread is about Lebanon and Hezbollah, leave Israel aside of it.
How do you know what we teach our kids? Have you seen any recording of it? Or a TV show where we teach our kids hatred? Have you heard how we teach our kids to hate and to destroy the other side? Or perhaps you've learned in one of our schools by yourself?
On the other hand, we just saw one of the evidences of what the other side teaches its children.
And there's no program to encourage secular kids to educate in religious schools. In fact the goverment tried a few times to cut the religious schools budget, but the reigning parties needed the support of the religious parties in order to assemble a coalition, and one of their (the religious parties) conditions was to leave the budget as is (and sometimes even to increase it).
And about guaranteeing more religious generation... Well, vast majority (and not all of them) of the religious folks don't serve in the army, and Israel interested in soldiers that could protect our country. So why do we need to guarantee more religious generation that will not serve in the army and will not pay taxes (as you say)? Do the math.
And again, this thread is about Lebanon and Hezbollah, leave Israel aside of it.
Yes, I read a lot about Israel's external and internal policies, besides watching dozens of documentary movies (Arabic, German and French) about the whole situation there.
And for the evidences, I can as well post evidences and from the same site, but as you said it is going to be another an off topic discussion about Zionism and its effect on the Israeli society.
And for you to say that the government is the one who is trying to cut the budget off the religious schools, I can say loudly that this is nonsense. How the government could oppose itself and it is in the first place a right wing government controlled by the likud and Chas parties. And you've just proved me true by saying that it isn't the government that supports the religious schools but it is reigning parties, and I say that the final repercussions are the most important here. Yes, the Israeli government realised how dangerous the religious people are, yet at the end, they've been more and more powerful and their effects are increasing. Just check the annual increase of the fanatic religious citizens compared to the secular ones.
As for the number of religious folks, of course, it is vital, exactly as the number of the serving soldiers. I know that the Israeli society, since its foundation, has been obsessed by the idea of surrounding themselves with a wall of soldiers and tanks. But if fuel is required for the Israeli weapons of mass destruction to work, it can't move one soldier one inch. The religious fanatics are the fuel for those soldiers, or let me say the fuel of all the society, taking into consideration that the whole nation is just an army.
Get real and try to comprehend the circumstances where you do live. I don't know if you're religious or secular. But if you're religious, what you said was expected, all religious have the same strict ideology. But if you are secular, you're living a huge daydream.
And for the evidences, I can as well post evidences and from the same site, but as you said it is going to be another an off topic discussion about Zionism and its effect on the Israeli society.
And for you to say that the government is the one who is trying to cut the budget off the religious schools, I can say loudly that this is nonsense. How the government could oppose itself and it is in the first place a right wing government controlled by the likud and Chas parties. And you've just proved me true by saying that it isn't the government that supports the religious schools but it is reigning parties, and I say that the final repercussions are the most important here. Yes, the Israeli government realised how dangerous the religious people are, yet at the end, they've been more and more powerful and their effects are increasing. Just check the annual increase of the fanatic religious citizens compared to the secular ones.
As for the number of religious folks, of course, it is vital, exactly as the number of the serving soldiers. I know that the Israeli society, since its foundation, has been obsessed by the idea of surrounding themselves with a wall of soldiers and tanks. But if fuel is required for the Israeli weapons of mass destruction to work, it can't move one soldier one inch. The religious fanatics are the fuel for those soldiers, or let me say the fuel of all the society, taking into consideration that the whole nation is just an army.
Get real and try to comprehend the circumstances where you do live. I don't know if you're religious or secular. But if you're religious, what you said was expected, all religious have the same strict ideology. But if you are secular, you're living a huge daydream.
