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Here's what Robert Fisk had to say about this situation in the Independent.
Robert Fisk: Scores dead as Lebanese army battles Islamists in bloodiest day since civil war
Published: 21 May 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2565126.ece
Butchery was the word that came to mind. Twenty-three Lebanese soldiers and police, 17 Sunni Muslim gunmen. How long can Lebanon endure this? Just before he died, one of the armed men - Palestinians? Lebanese? - we still don't know - shot a soldier right beside me. He fell down on his back, crying with pain, and I thought he had slipped on the road until I saw the blood pumping out of his leg and the Red Cross team dragging him desperately out of the line of fire. Not since the war - yes, the Lebanese civil war that we are all still trying to forget - have I heard this many bullets cracking across the streets of a Lebanese city.
And the dead. Five of the 17 gunmen were killed after paramilitary police stormed an apartment block in 200 Street in the centre of Tripoli. One lay on his back like a child, water from a broken hydrant streaming over his corpse. Another lay crumpled in a doorway amid glass and the Kalashnikov rifle he was still firing when he died. "How young they all were," a woman remarked with a kind of weariness, and I noticed the dead were also bearded, the little stubble beards al-Qaida's men like to wear.
The bloody events in Lebanon yesterday passed so swiftly - and so dangerously for those of us on the streets - that I am still unsure what happened. Clearly, an al-Qaida-type group tried to ambush the Lebanese army - and succeeded all too appallingly; 23 dead soldiers and police is a fearful figure for a tiny country such as Lebanon. But was it really a Syrian plot, as Fouad Siniora's government suggested? Was this the long hand of Syria stretching out once more across Lebanon's green and pleasant land?
So here are a few facts. A group of armed men tried to rob a Tripoli bank on Saturday and got cornered in an apartment block. Others holed up in the Nahr el-Bared Palestinian refugee camp north of the city. When I arrived yesterday, army tank fire was bursting in the camp and black-hooded policemen were preparing to storm, Iraqi-style, into the city-centre building. But the robbers were said to have stolen only $1,500. Was that worth this massacre? And is "Fatah al-Islaam" - which has existed in the shadows of the camp for months - really a 300-strong armed group?
Certainly the dead gunmen were real. I found two more heaped together in Tripoli, covered in spent ammunition clips, the apartment building on fire - so hot I could not get up the stairs - but families still struggling down. One woman carried a baby. "Only four days old, he is only four," she wailed at me. One family I found huddling in their bathroom, 12 terrified Lebanese who had spent 24 hours in this tiny room as bullets swept the walls of their home. So what in God's name happened in Lebanon yesterday?
Well, Mr Siniora claimed it was an attempt to destabilise Lebanon - a good guess, to put it mildly - and Saad Hariri, son of the former prime minister murdered here more than two years ago, called the armed men "evil-doers who had hijacked Islam". This is the same Saad Hariri whom at least one American reporter - I refer to Seymour Hersh - suggested was indirectly helping to funnel Saudi money to these same gunmen in a recent article in The New Yorker. The Shia Muslim Hizbollah are supposed to be the bad guys in this scenario, not a Sunni group.
But Tripoli is the most powerful Sunni city in Lebanon - so powerful that not a drop of alcohol wets its restaurant tables - and the men and women running in terror across Tripoli's streets yesterday were also Sunnis. So are the Syrians really concocting an "al-Qaida" in Lebanon? And who are its enemies? The Nato army of the UN force in southern Lebanon, perhaps? But surely not the Lebanese army, the very same army which bravely prevented civil war last January? Yet in 2000, an al-Qaida-type group also ambushed the Lebanese army in northern Lebanon. Was this, too, supposed to be a Syrian invention?
Showers of bullets were still tracing their way over Tripoli last night and the army was said to be preparing to move into the camps. Fatah, Yasser Arafat's clapped-out organisation, announced it was on the side of the army, a wise decision after yesterday's bloodbath. "A dangerous attempt to undermine Lebanon's security," was the response of a government whose Shia cabinet ministers abandoned it last year in the hope of bringing the whole Siniora administration down. But where do we go from here?
And who were the dead men I saw yesterday, perforated by bullets, partly torn open by grenades? Silent testimony is all we receive from the dead. One of them had big eyes above his fluffy beard, eyes which stared at us and at the police who jeered at his corpse. I wonder if they will not come to haunt us soon. And if we will discover what lies behind this terrible day in Lebanon.
Robert Fisk: Scores dead as Lebanese army battles Islamists in bloodiest day since civil war
Published: 21 May 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2565126.ece
Butchery was the word that came to mind. Twenty-three Lebanese soldiers and police, 17 Sunni Muslim gunmen. How long can Lebanon endure this? Just before he died, one of the armed men - Palestinians? Lebanese? - we still don't know - shot a soldier right beside me. He fell down on his back, crying with pain, and I thought he had slipped on the road until I saw the blood pumping out of his leg and the Red Cross team dragging him desperately out of the line of fire. Not since the war - yes, the Lebanese civil war that we are all still trying to forget - have I heard this many bullets cracking across the streets of a Lebanese city.
And the dead. Five of the 17 gunmen were killed after paramilitary police stormed an apartment block in 200 Street in the centre of Tripoli. One lay on his back like a child, water from a broken hydrant streaming over his corpse. Another lay crumpled in a doorway amid glass and the Kalashnikov rifle he was still firing when he died. "How young they all were," a woman remarked with a kind of weariness, and I noticed the dead were also bearded, the little stubble beards al-Qaida's men like to wear.
The bloody events in Lebanon yesterday passed so swiftly - and so dangerously for those of us on the streets - that I am still unsure what happened. Clearly, an al-Qaida-type group tried to ambush the Lebanese army - and succeeded all too appallingly; 23 dead soldiers and police is a fearful figure for a tiny country such as Lebanon. But was it really a Syrian plot, as Fouad Siniora's government suggested? Was this the long hand of Syria stretching out once more across Lebanon's green and pleasant land?
So here are a few facts. A group of armed men tried to rob a Tripoli bank on Saturday and got cornered in an apartment block. Others holed up in the Nahr el-Bared Palestinian refugee camp north of the city. When I arrived yesterday, army tank fire was bursting in the camp and black-hooded policemen were preparing to storm, Iraqi-style, into the city-centre building. But the robbers were said to have stolen only $1,500. Was that worth this massacre? And is "Fatah al-Islaam" - which has existed in the shadows of the camp for months - really a 300-strong armed group?
Certainly the dead gunmen were real. I found two more heaped together in Tripoli, covered in spent ammunition clips, the apartment building on fire - so hot I could not get up the stairs - but families still struggling down. One woman carried a baby. "Only four days old, he is only four," she wailed at me. One family I found huddling in their bathroom, 12 terrified Lebanese who had spent 24 hours in this tiny room as bullets swept the walls of their home. So what in God's name happened in Lebanon yesterday?
Well, Mr Siniora claimed it was an attempt to destabilise Lebanon - a good guess, to put it mildly - and Saad Hariri, son of the former prime minister murdered here more than two years ago, called the armed men "evil-doers who had hijacked Islam". This is the same Saad Hariri whom at least one American reporter - I refer to Seymour Hersh - suggested was indirectly helping to funnel Saudi money to these same gunmen in a recent article in The New Yorker. The Shia Muslim Hizbollah are supposed to be the bad guys in this scenario, not a Sunni group.
But Tripoli is the most powerful Sunni city in Lebanon - so powerful that not a drop of alcohol wets its restaurant tables - and the men and women running in terror across Tripoli's streets yesterday were also Sunnis. So are the Syrians really concocting an "al-Qaida" in Lebanon? And who are its enemies? The Nato army of the UN force in southern Lebanon, perhaps? But surely not the Lebanese army, the very same army which bravely prevented civil war last January? Yet in 2000, an al-Qaida-type group also ambushed the Lebanese army in northern Lebanon. Was this, too, supposed to be a Syrian invention?
Showers of bullets were still tracing their way over Tripoli last night and the army was said to be preparing to move into the camps. Fatah, Yasser Arafat's clapped-out organisation, announced it was on the side of the army, a wise decision after yesterday's bloodbath. "A dangerous attempt to undermine Lebanon's security," was the response of a government whose Shia cabinet ministers abandoned it last year in the hope of bringing the whole Siniora administration down. But where do we go from here?
And who were the dead men I saw yesterday, perforated by bullets, partly torn open by grenades? Silent testimony is all we receive from the dead. One of them had big eyes above his fluffy beard, eyes which stared at us and at the police who jeered at his corpse. I wonder if they will not come to haunt us soon. And if we will discover what lies behind this terrible day in Lebanon.
Let me tell you something.
You have the whole right to hate those militants who fight the Lebanese army right now, but I think generalizing the fight to palestinian civilians in Lebanon is just a very illogical thing.
This so called Fatah-Al-Islam has Lebanese members as well the Palestinian members, so they don't represent the palestinian people at all.
Take this as an example:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2136398020070521
The Lebanese army on the other hand is reacting in a crazy way like everytime we see them. They don't shoot any bullet when Israeli army faces them, but when a thief steals 1500 US dollars, we see the power of such a brave army by bombarding civilians in Palestinian camps....
This is a new episode in the series trying to make palestinians leave the Middle East region after Tal Al-Zaatar in 1976 and Sabra & Shatila in 1982...
A massacre is going on now in the camp.
You have the whole right to hate those militants who fight the Lebanese army right now, but I think generalizing the fight to palestinian civilians in Lebanon is just a very illogical thing.
This so called Fatah-Al-Islam has Lebanese members as well the Palestinian members, so they don't represent the palestinian people at all.
Take this as an example:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2136398020070521
The Lebanese army on the other hand is reacting in a crazy way like everytime we see them. They don't shoot any bullet when Israeli army faces them, but when a thief steals 1500 US dollars, we see the power of such a brave army by bombarding civilians in Palestinian camps....
This is a new episode in the series trying to make palestinians leave the Middle East region after Tal Al-Zaatar in 1976 and Sabra & Shatila in 1982...
A massacre is going on now in the camp.
I'm not generalizing, but a big part of Palestinian refugees takes the blame in what is happening today.
I know what its called Reb, and I know from whom they're financed and from where they came, thats why I believe it's not good to generalize and say all Palestinians are responsbile....
But what I cant stand ATM, is these Fath l Islam fighters are entering Palestinian camps as If there is no control inside the camps. In every single Camp in Lebanon, Palestinians inside the camp can allowed or not allowed anyone to enter.... so whomever entered from Fath Islam into the camps entered with a green light from inside the camp.
Thats why the Lebanese Army cant wait and have a coffee, they have all the rights to bomb that camp...all the right. Already over 20 Lebanese soldier has been killed. Enough is enough. time to finish with whomever mess with the law and Lebanese Army is the law.
I know what its called Reb, and I know from whom they're financed and from where they came, thats why I believe it's not good to generalize and say all Palestinians are responsbile....
But what I cant stand ATM, is these Fath l Islam fighters are entering Palestinian camps as If there is no control inside the camps. In every single Camp in Lebanon, Palestinians inside the camp can allowed or not allowed anyone to enter.... so whomever entered from Fath Islam into the camps entered with a green light from inside the camp.
Thats why the Lebanese Army cant wait and have a coffee, they have all the rights to bomb that camp...all the right. Already over 20 Lebanese soldier has been killed. Enough is enough. time to finish with whomever mess with the law and Lebanese Army is the law.
Rabea, with all due respect you're being extremely biased and blindly shifting the blame to Hezballah for no reason.
Here's a surprise for all of you: Mr. Nasrallah and his freedom fighters have NOTHING to do with this war.
When Senioura's government first got elected, it was him and his Hariri gang that went down to the Palestinian camps and celebrated their triumph. Fatah al Islam are known to have been supported and financed by the 14-March government.
These are the people that should be disarmed. These are the REAL terrorists. These are the people that we should be afraid of, because if this situation isn't handled then ALL HELL will break loose in ALL parts of Lebanon.
Fatah Islam people don't give a flying fuck what happens to me or you. He will wear a strap on bomb, and destroy everything in site, because he believes he's going to Heaven. Yes, the REAL nightmare we all hoped wouldn't happen: Lebanon becomes another Iraq.
Hezballah has NEVER pointed their guns at a SINGLE Lebanese. All of you enjoy making funny statements at Nasrallah whatever, out of your chauvinistic-i'm-trying-to-be-cool-look-at-me-ignoramus-attitudes.
As for the tribunal?? FUCK THE TRIBUNAL. 3OMRO MA YIRJA3!!! The LEAST of my worries. We've got an uncontrollable situation, almost 30 troops dead, and Radical Islamic psycho's who are ready to carry out their "noble causes" outside Tripoli according to a circular released today afternoon.
This is the reality. This is "The Truth" that Senioura and Hariri's fucked up government are looking at.
Fucking disgusting.
What's even worse is that the situation might escalate into something evil: Another Sabra & Chatila. And I'm not talking about Lebanese casualties (May they all R.I.P)...but Palestinian casualties...The army will soon be given a green light to wipe them all out, the men the women and the children...which I say with much regret...
Here's a surprise for all of you: Mr. Nasrallah and his freedom fighters have NOTHING to do with this war.
When Senioura's government first got elected, it was him and his Hariri gang that went down to the Palestinian camps and celebrated their triumph. Fatah al Islam are known to have been supported and financed by the 14-March government.
These are the people that should be disarmed. These are the REAL terrorists. These are the people that we should be afraid of, because if this situation isn't handled then ALL HELL will break loose in ALL parts of Lebanon.
Fatah Islam people don't give a flying fuck what happens to me or you. He will wear a strap on bomb, and destroy everything in site, because he believes he's going to Heaven. Yes, the REAL nightmare we all hoped wouldn't happen: Lebanon becomes another Iraq.
Hezballah has NEVER pointed their guns at a SINGLE Lebanese. All of you enjoy making funny statements at Nasrallah whatever, out of your chauvinistic-i'm-trying-to-be-cool-look-at-me-ignoramus-attitudes.
As for the tribunal?? FUCK THE TRIBUNAL. 3OMRO MA YIRJA3!!! The LEAST of my worries. We've got an uncontrollable situation, almost 30 troops dead, and Radical Islamic psycho's who are ready to carry out their "noble causes" outside Tripoli according to a circular released today afternoon.
This is the reality. This is "The Truth" that Senioura and Hariri's fucked up government are looking at.
Fucking disgusting.
What's even worse is that the situation might escalate into something evil: Another Sabra & Chatila. And I'm not talking about Lebanese casualties (May they all R.I.P)...but Palestinian casualties...The army will soon be given a green light to wipe them all out, the men the women and the children...which I say with much regret...
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An excerpt from a Seymour Hersh article...[EDIT]
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government, according to the former senior intelligence official and the U.S. government consultant. “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don’t have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don’t like. It’s a very high-risk venture.”
American, European, and Arab officials I spoke to told me that the Siniora government and its allies had allowed some aid to end up in the hands of emerging Sunni radical groups in northern Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley, and around Palestinian refugee camps in the south. These groups, though small, are seen as a buffer to Hezbollah; at the same time, their ideological ties are with Al Qaeda.
Alastair Crooke, who spent nearly thirty years in MI6, the British intelligence service, and now works for Conflicts Forum, a think tank in Beirut, told me, “The Lebanese government is opening space for these people to come in. It could be very dangerous.” Crooke said that one Sunni extremist group, Fatah al-Islam, had splintered from its pro-Syrian parent group, Fatah al-Intifada, in the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp, in northern Lebanon. Its membership at the time was less than two hundred. “I was told that within twenty-four hours they were being offered weapons and money by people presenting themselves as representatives of the Lebanese government’s interests—presumably to take on Hezbollah,” Crooke said.
The largest of the groups, Asbat al-Ansar, is situated in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp. Asbat al-Ansar has received arms and supplies from Lebanese internal-security forces and militias associated with the Siniora government.
In an interview in Beirut, a senior official in the Siniora government acknowledged that there were Sunni jihadists operating inside Lebanon. “We have a liberal attitude that allows Al Qaeda types to have a presence here,” he said. He related this to concerns that Iran or Syria might decide to turn Lebanon into a “theatre of conflict.”
An excerpt from a Seymour Hersh article...[EDIT]
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government, according to the former senior intelligence official and the U.S. government consultant. “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don’t have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don’t like. It’s a very high-risk venture.”
American, European, and Arab officials I spoke to told me that the Siniora government and its allies had allowed some aid to end up in the hands of emerging Sunni radical groups in northern Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley, and around Palestinian refugee camps in the south. These groups, though small, are seen as a buffer to Hezbollah; at the same time, their ideological ties are with Al Qaeda.
Alastair Crooke, who spent nearly thirty years in MI6, the British intelligence service, and now works for Conflicts Forum, a think tank in Beirut, told me, “The Lebanese government is opening space for these people to come in. It could be very dangerous.” Crooke said that one Sunni extremist group, Fatah al-Islam, had splintered from its pro-Syrian parent group, Fatah al-Intifada, in the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp, in northern Lebanon. Its membership at the time was less than two hundred. “I was told that within twenty-four hours they were being offered weapons and money by people presenting themselves as representatives of the Lebanese government’s interests—presumably to take on Hezbollah,” Crooke said.
The largest of the groups, Asbat al-Ansar, is situated in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp. Asbat al-Ansar has received arms and supplies from Lebanese internal-security forces and militias associated with the Siniora government.
In an interview in Beirut, a senior official in the Siniora government acknowledged that there were Sunni jihadists operating inside Lebanon. “We have a liberal attitude that allows Al Qaeda types to have a presence here,” he said. He related this to concerns that Iran or Syria might decide to turn Lebanon into a “theatre of conflict.”
Here where we think differently. I think the Lebanese can get rid of Fatah Alislam without making a massacre between the civilians in the camps. You don't care if civilians are killed or not.
I doubt it. I think the Lebanese army died at the same day when Fuad Shehab died. He was the last respectful army man in Lebanon.
And how many civilians?
That's exactly what I fear. They can hang all the militias, but why should the civilians pay very much at each war??
Look, Rab...
Palestinians have got bored and they seek nothing but going on with their own lives. After what happened in Gaza in the last year, I sat down with tens of people, and all of them are fed up with the whole situation. I'm so sad to say this, but the palestinian case has died. No passion for return is there in the hearts of all those I know. The consecutive wars then the peace joke which was played by all the parties of the world made no other choice in front of Palestinians but trying to provide a better life to the next generation. They're fed up with the Arabs asking them to be the first wall in front of Zionism. Many people look for immigration and nobody feels safe in the place he's living in.
We always were raised on fighting for our land and we grew dreaming of going back to our homes. Now, anybody who think it's really holy can go and try his luck. Most of palestinians have just lost interest in the whole thing.
The only case for Palestinians now is living their lives. And knowing their previous experiences in Lebanon, I think that's the reason for them to have armed parties to protect them. They don't want anything but to live. It's not like if they are so happy with being in Lebanon. If anybody comes up with a solution for them to go to another country where they live as they want, I don't think they'll hesitate ever.
I doubt it. I think the Lebanese army died at the same day when Fuad Shehab died. He was the last respectful army man in Lebanon.
And how many civilians?
That's exactly what I fear. They can hang all the militias, but why should the civilians pay very much at each war??
Look, Rab...
Palestinians have got bored and they seek nothing but going on with their own lives. After what happened in Gaza in the last year, I sat down with tens of people, and all of them are fed up with the whole situation. I'm so sad to say this, but the palestinian case has died. No passion for return is there in the hearts of all those I know. The consecutive wars then the peace joke which was played by all the parties of the world made no other choice in front of Palestinians but trying to provide a better life to the next generation. They're fed up with the Arabs asking them to be the first wall in front of Zionism. Many people look for immigration and nobody feels safe in the place he's living in.
We always were raised on fighting for our land and we grew dreaming of going back to our homes. Now, anybody who think it's really holy can go and try his luck. Most of palestinians have just lost interest in the whole thing.
The only case for Palestinians now is living their lives. And knowing their previous experiences in Lebanon, I think that's the reason for them to have armed parties to protect them. They don't want anything but to live. It's not like if they are so happy with being in Lebanon. If anybody comes up with a solution for them to go to another country where they live as they want, I don't think they'll hesitate ever.
BEIRUT (Reuters) - A bomb rocked a parking lot in the mainly Sunni Muslim district of Verdun in Lebanon's capital on Monday wounding at least seven people, security sources and witnesses said.
The explosion set cars ablaze and broke the windows of some buildings, they said. An army source said the bomb was placed either underneath or near a car.
A car which had been flipped onto its roof was ablaze as rescue workers raced to the scene near the Russian Cultural Centre.
Glass and debris from surrounding buildings lay scattered across the street, which has several restaurants and clothing boutiques.
On Sunday, a woman was killed when an explosive device planted under a parked car detonated by a popular shopping mall in the mainly Christian east of the capital. At least 10 people were wounded by flying glass.
The blast came as Lebanese troops battled Islamist militants at a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon for the second day on Monday. So far, 79 people have been killed in Lebanon's bloodiest internal fighting since its 1975-90 civil war.
The explosion set cars ablaze and broke the windows of some buildings, they said. An army source said the bomb was placed either underneath or near a car.
A car which had been flipped onto its roof was ablaze as rescue workers raced to the scene near the Russian Cultural Centre.
Glass and debris from surrounding buildings lay scattered across the street, which has several restaurants and clothing boutiques.
On Sunday, a woman was killed when an explosive device planted under a parked car detonated by a popular shopping mall in the mainly Christian east of the capital. At least 10 people were wounded by flying glass.
The blast came as Lebanese troops battled Islamist militants at a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon for the second day on Monday. So far, 79 people have been killed in Lebanon's bloodiest internal fighting since its 1975-90 civil war.
yeah I feel that, I know exactly how will the life be of owners of those shops. you, me and others will forget these in a week or two, but they suffer it for months until they have their job back..
The same happened with my best friend last year, when they bombed in madina sina3iye.. they put the bomb 3 meters away from their shop, so you can imagine the rest.
whichever Idiots did these, I wonder what they won with this. sorry to say this, but if you have to bomb, go bomb some public place or governmental places, leave the civilians and their life alone, in the end, these individuals are the ones that are suffering mainly.
The same happened with my best friend last year, when they bombed in madina sina3iye.. they put the bomb 3 meters away from their shop, so you can imagine the rest.
whichever Idiots did these, I wonder what they won with this. sorry to say this, but if you have to bomb, go bomb some public place or governmental places, leave the civilians and their life alone, in the end, these individuals are the ones that are suffering mainly.
Where did you see me accusing Hezbollah in what is happening now? Of course they have nothing to do with this, but they SURELY know who's behind all this, and who is financing this terrorist group. thanks to their great relationship with that monkey called bashar.
Hariri and Sanyoura went down to celebrate in Palestinian camps? that is the most ignorant post I've read in a while. Give me some pictures and proves about that.
Fateh Islam is supported by 14march??? man 3anjad what kind of sense do you make? you mean 14march are killing their OWN supporters and people? you mean Saad Hariri who represent the majority of Tripoli people is killing the people over there?
Do you even know where Fatah Islam entered from? check what Bashar Assad stated few months ago, even Walid l Mouaalem admitted that Fatah Islam entered through Syria, how can you accuse 14march leaders in that?
Did they enter from Israel? as long as I'm concerned, there are only two boarders with Lebanon. Palestine-Israel and Syria, there's no way they can come from Palestine-Israel, they entered from Syria, so check your facts before you state such a thing. You're repeating EXACTLY what Fatah Islam leader stated....
He stated the same in order to make conflicts between lebanese leaders, and he succeeded in making the likes of you think like that.
You said it my friend.....Thank to syria and bashar.
As far as I know Syria isn't in Lebanon is it? Why the fuck are they carrying guns? to protect Lebanese as Sayyed Hasan says right? then why the fuck not protect us from that terrorist syrial killer called bashar assad?
Doesn't he want to know who was behind Hariri's death? then why stick to syria? just because they finance you and give you whatever you want? IS THAT HOW HE'S SUPPOSED TO PAY-BACK THE LEBANESE??
Come again.
With Tribunal we can stop these monkeys from entering our country. from this tribunal we can see the likes of Maher Assad, Assef Shawkat, Emil Lahoud all in jail. we will live by then in peace. As long as there isn't tribunal they'll continue their terrorist attacks.
Freedom sometimes costs, but thats how we buy our freedom.
Hariri and Sanyoura went down to celebrate in Palestinian camps? that is the most ignorant post I've read in a while. Give me some pictures and proves about that.
Fateh Islam is supported by 14march??? man 3anjad what kind of sense do you make? you mean 14march are killing their OWN supporters and people? you mean Saad Hariri who represent the majority of Tripoli people is killing the people over there?
Do you even know where Fatah Islam entered from? check what Bashar Assad stated few months ago, even Walid l Mouaalem admitted that Fatah Islam entered through Syria, how can you accuse 14march leaders in that?
Did they enter from Israel? as long as I'm concerned, there are only two boarders with Lebanon. Palestine-Israel and Syria, there's no way they can come from Palestine-Israel, they entered from Syria, so check your facts before you state such a thing. You're repeating EXACTLY what Fatah Islam leader stated....
He stated the same in order to make conflicts between lebanese leaders, and he succeeded in making the likes of you think like that.
You said it my friend.....Thank to syria and bashar.
As far as I know Syria isn't in Lebanon is it? Why the fuck are they carrying guns? to protect Lebanese as Sayyed Hasan says right? then why the fuck not protect us from that terrorist syrial killer called bashar assad?
Doesn't he want to know who was behind Hariri's death? then why stick to syria? just because they finance you and give you whatever you want? IS THAT HOW HE'S SUPPOSED TO PAY-BACK THE LEBANESE??
Come again.
With Tribunal we can stop these monkeys from entering our country. from this tribunal we can see the likes of Maher Assad, Assef Shawkat, Emil Lahoud all in jail. we will live by then in peace. As long as there isn't tribunal they'll continue their terrorist attacks.
Freedom sometimes costs, but thats how we buy our freedom.
How can we get rid of a terrorist group whom are ready and welling to put a belt full of bombs/tnt connected to their chests and blow up themselves? How can we stop them? If you have the answer maybe you can help the Americans in Iraq.
As for the civilians, I get hurt more than you can imagine. Women and kids have nothing to do with whats going on, but when you have some palestinians inside these camps helping these Fatah Islam, we have no other option.
Either Palestinians should kick them out of their camps or the Lebanese army will have to deal this on their own. Sadly second choice was taken today, because no hand was given from the Palestinians inside these camps. they sticked with the Fatah Islam.
To you.
But trust me, to the majority of the Lebanese wont agree with you, to Hasan Nasrallah, to Nabih Berre, to Hariri to Joumblat to Ja3ja3 they're supporting and believing in the Lebanese Army more than anytime, they're becoming stronger and stronger, time will prove that.
Reb, you think I don't know what Palestinians are passing through? man, i fully understand what they're passing through. and the Hamas Fatah conflict in Palestine isn't doing anyone good. I fully understand that.
But what you need to understand also, that we Lebanese are also fed as much as Palestinians are if not more. Lebanon is already 10452 km only, we have 500.000 palestinian refugees in our country, it's really not easy dealing with all of them.
Today most of the palestinians in Lebanon were blaming the Army.... our soldiers have had enough of all this, we already have Lebanese-Lebanese issue, we dont have time and we certainly dont want any problems or conflicts with Palestinians.
So they should all stay calm and leave our Lebanese Army in peace.
As for the civilians, I get hurt more than you can imagine. Women and kids have nothing to do with whats going on, but when you have some palestinians inside these camps helping these Fatah Islam, we have no other option.
Either Palestinians should kick them out of their camps or the Lebanese army will have to deal this on their own. Sadly second choice was taken today, because no hand was given from the Palestinians inside these camps. they sticked with the Fatah Islam.
To you.
But trust me, to the majority of the Lebanese wont agree with you, to Hasan Nasrallah, to Nabih Berre, to Hariri to Joumblat to Ja3ja3 they're supporting and believing in the Lebanese Army more than anytime, they're becoming stronger and stronger, time will prove that.
Reb, you think I don't know what Palestinians are passing through? man, i fully understand what they're passing through. and the Hamas Fatah conflict in Palestine isn't doing anyone good. I fully understand that.
But what you need to understand also, that we Lebanese are also fed as much as Palestinians are if not more. Lebanon is already 10452 km only, we have 500.000 palestinian refugees in our country, it's really not easy dealing with all of them.
Today most of the palestinians in Lebanon were blaming the Army.... our soldiers have had enough of all this, we already have Lebanese-Lebanese issue, we dont have time and we certainly dont want any problems or conflicts with Palestinians.
So they should all stay calm and leave our Lebanese Army in peace.