The Lebanese political crisis!!! (45 Viewers)

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Well,If Israel has nuclear weapon,why Iran can't have it?
I recognize Israel as a true danger on middle east and I support Iran in their attemps od arming themselves...you'll never know when israel will attemp to make some new Gaza's in other countries....

 

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[Snoop]

Israel or Iran or USA or anyone else shouldn't have it.. but all of them Hypocrites and specially US government, they can't have a word about this subject, they have to check their history first before they throw the craps out of their mouths

 

[mikhail]

A former top American diplomat says the US deliberately resisted calls for a immediate ceasefire during the conflict in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

Yeah, I remember that alright - it was no secret. I thought it was pretty stupid at the time.

 

[Falafel]

Well,If Israel has nuclear weapon,why Iran can't have it?
I recognize Israel as a true danger on middle east and I support Iran in their attemps od arming themselves...you'll never know when israel will attemp to make some new Gaza's in other countries....

int:

 

[Vinman]

Israel or Iran or USA or anyone else shouldn't have it.. but all of them Hypocrites and specially US government, they can't have a word about this subject, they have to check their history first before they throw the craps out of their mouths

man...where did you learn English ??

history ?? Let me educate you, snoopy...we in essence ended WW2 with an ATOM bomb (there is a big difference), spared many more lives, and the world is a better place because of it

Well,If Israel has nuclear weapon,why Iran can't have it?
I recognize Israel as a true danger on middle east and I support Iran in their attemps od arming themselves...you'll never know when israel will attemp to make some new Gaza's in other countries....

a true right-winger you are, with your hatred of the Jews (a big club in this thread). Besides this subject, have some similar political views, but Iran poses a bigger threat to everyone than Israel. I got news for you, Iran's mullahs would GLADLY blow your non- believing ass apart in Croatia as quickly as they would want to tear mine up in the USA as well. Ask Saudi Arabia or Jordan if they think Iran should possess a nuclear weapon

Listen to the rhetoric that the monkey running Iran has had to say...they are the only ruling party in the world that rules strictly by religion...ask the younger Iranian ppl how they like living under that rule...and thats their plans for the rest of the world as well

 

[mikhail]

Guys calm down. No need for insults.

While I'm here, could I get a few objective opinions on this.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

man...where did you learn English ??

considering it's probably his 3rd or 4th language. i say he s doing a good job. as for the country trying to impose a new world order iam afraid it's not iran; here's a hint its an acronym describing a federation ranging mostly in north america and is not canada.

 

[Vinman]

considering it's probably his 3rd or 4th language. i say he s doing a good job. as for the country trying to impose a new world order iam afraid it's not iran; here's a hint its an acronym describing a federation ranging mostly in north america and is not canada.

Chicago ???

 

[swag]

Guys calm down. No need for insults.

While I'm here, could I get a few objective opinions on this.

It's too easy to take the leftist bait that says that Iran has an elected president whereas the U.S. has one that was essentially put into power under dodgy circumstances at best -- and is therefore more democratic.

The truth is that there are a lot of Americans who equate democracy with "voting for someone in office that I would vote for", and everything else is corruption or a sham. To be honest, it's that kind of ridiculous hubris that I believe lead to crack-pipe-smoking hawks who thought removing Saddam was going to naturally result in a unified Iraqi populace who would vote for a non-religiously-biased, American-friendly leader.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

the only idiosyncracies we can export is the trading of pork bellies and the consumption of that despicable deep dish pizza so its no surprise this is the fattest city in the world; and also the best

 

[swag]

True story: I never had Chicago style pizza until I moved away from it at age 21. Always had thin crust in town.

But yeah, Chicago rocks. Pork bellies, potbelly subs, and bare-chested fat stomachs in the bleachers at Cub games included.

 

[Snoop]

Israel or Iran or USA or anyone else shouldn't have it.. but all of them Hypocrites and specially US government, they can't have a word about this subject, they have to check their history first before they throw the craps out of their mouths

I got warned for this, the reason "fighting".. I wonder who I was fighting with


@ Vinman: Did you report me?

 

[ReBeL]

man...where did you learn English ??

history ?? Let me educate you, snoopy...we in essence ended WW2 with an ATOM bomb (there is a big difference), spared many more lives, and the world is a better place because of it

That's a nice justfication for killing thousands of people, Vinny. So, Those who were killed in Japan were sacrificed in order not to have thousands killed on the two sides of the ocean. Nice logic.

a true right-winger you are, with your hatred of the Jews (a big club in this thread).

Who hates jews in this thread??

Besides this subject, have some similar political views, but Iran poses a bigger threat to everyone than Israel. I got news for you, Iran's mullahs would GLADLY blow your non- believing ass apart in Croatia as quickly as they would want to tear mine up in the USA as well.

Well, going back to the near history, I found that Iran had one war with its neigbour Iraq only, while there's only one country in this world which had wars with very far countries regardless the distance. So, Croatia has nothing to worry about from Iran, but it - just like all the other free countries in this world - should worry from only one country...

Ask Saudi Arabia or Jordan if they think Iran should possess a nuclear weapon

There is a difference in the reply that you'll get from those countries if you address their leaders or their citizens. If you ask the leaders, the American embassy will give you the answer. If you ask the citizens, they'll directly tell you that as long as Israel has nuclear bomb, then there is no justice in trying to remove the nuclear Irani capabilities.

Listen to the rhetoric that the monkey running Iran has had to say...they are the only ruling party in the world that rules strictly by religion...ask the younger Iranian ppl how they like living under that rule...and thats their plans for the rest of the world as well

At least, they didn't claim they want to spread freedom while shooting others...

 

[Snoop]

man...where did you learn English ??

history ?? Let me educate you, snoopy...we in essence ended WW2 with an ATOM bomb (there is a big difference), spared many more lives, and the world is a better place because of it

I love that

that's enough for me man.. I will stop here, these are not my case, and I don't care if you kill each others. Happy posting, I am out of this thread for while. love you all :toast:

 

[swag]

I got warned for this, the reason "fighting".. I wonder who I was fighting with


@ Vinman: Did you report me?

Vinman got warned too, btw.

 

[swag]

That's a nice justfication for killing thousands of people, Vinny. So, Those who were killed in Japan were sacrificed in order not to have thousands killed on the two sides of the ocean. Nice logic.

I hate to sound cold and heartless on this issue, but there is logic to this. The situation with the A-bomb aside (which, btw, wasn't nearly as deadly to civilians as the American firebombing campaign to cities like Tokyo weeks before), humans are forced all the time to make hard decisions about impacting the "few" to spare the many. As distasteful as it is, it's often very necessary -- and it's at the foundation of a number of East Asian societies.

Well, going back to the near history, I found that Iran had one war with its neigbour Iraq only, while there's only one country in this world which had wars with very far countries regardless the distance.

The USSR? England? I'm being facetious, but to underscore a point.

I thought Iran declared war on Sparta recently, however.

 

[Snoop]

Vinman got warned too, btw.

that wasn't my concern

 

[Azzurri7]

A former top American diplomat says the US deliberately resisted calls for a immediate ceasefire during the conflict in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

Former ambassador to the UN John Bolton told the BBC that before any ceasefire Washington wanted Israel to eliminate Hezbollah's military capability.

Mr Bolton said an early ceasefire would have been "dangerous and misguided".

He said the US decided to join efforts to end the conflict only when it was clear Israel's campaign wasn't working.
he former envoy, who stepped down in December 2006, was interviewed for a BBC radio documentary, The Summer War in Lebanon, to be broadcast in April.

Mr Bolton said the US was deeply disappointed at Israel's failure to remove the threat from Hezbollah and the subsequent lack of any attempt to disarm its forces.

Britain joined the US in refusing to call for an immediate ceasefire.

'Damn proud'

The war began when Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers, but it quickly escalated into a full-scale conflict.

BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says the US-UK refusal to join calls for a ceasefire was one of the most controversial aspects of the diplomacy.

At the time US officials argued a ceasefire was insufficient and agreement was needed to address the underlying tensions and balance of power in the region.

Mr Bolton now describes it as "perfectly legitimate... and good politics" for the Israelis to seek to defeat their enemy militarily, especially as Hezbollah had attacked Israel first and it was acting "in its own self-defence".

Mr Bolton, a controversial and blunt-speaking figure, said he was "damned proud of what we did" to prevent an early ceasefire.

Also in the BBC programme, several key players claim that, privately, there were Arab leaders who also wanted Israel to destroy Hezbollah.

"There were many not - how should I put it - resistant to the thought that the Israelis should thoroughly defeat Hezbollah, who... increasingly by Arab states were seen as an Iranian proxy," said UN special envoy Terje Roed Larsen.

More than 1,000 Lebanese civilians and an unknown number of Hezbollah fighters were killed in the conflict.

Israel lost 116 soldiers in the fighting, while 43 of its civilians were killed in Hezbollah rocket attacks.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6479377.stm

There's something people should clearly know, and is that no force on this earth can ever terminate/end up/vanish any party that is never considered an army and have no bases like the Army ones. It's not like you need to launch a rocket to discorver this....It's more like a theory.

That said, Israel can never eliminate Hezbollah for the reasons I mentioned above and other than that is that because Hezbolla do hide between civilians. Thats the more dangerous thing, If anyone wants to eliminate Hezbollah, civilians would die just like what happened in summer.

There are 3ways to get rid of Hezbollah...

1-Making the Lebanese army stronger, this will show that there's no need Hezbollah anymore.

2- Syria and Iran stopping their financial & weapons support to Hezbollah or else Bashar and Ahmady Najjad will end up just like Saddam.

3-Making embassies between us and Syria.

These 3ways are the ways to end on Hassan Nasrallah and his fighters. Sitting on one Lebanese table used to be one solution but since Nasrallah doesn't give a damn about it why should we waste our time.

 

[Rami]

There's something people should clearly know, and is that no force on this earth can ever terminate/end up/vanish any party that is never considered an army and have no bases like the Army ones. It's not like you need to launch a rocket to discorver this....It's more like a theory.

That said, Israel can never eliminate Hezbollah for the reasons I mentioned above and other than that is that because Hezbolla do hide between civilians. Thats the more dangerous thing, If anyone wants to eliminate Hezbollah, civilians would die just like what happened in summer.

There are 3ways to get rid of Hezbollah...

1-Making the Lebanese army stronger, this will show that there's no need Hezbollah anymore.

2- Syria and Iran stopping their financial & weapons support to Hezbollah or else Bashar and Ahmady Najjad will end up just like Saddam.

3-Making embassies between us and Syria.

These 3ways are the ways to end on Hassan Nasrallah and his fighters. Sitting on one Lebanese table used to be one solution but since Nasrallah doesn't give a damn about it why should we waste our time.

Kinda like the War on Terrorism??

 

[Azzurri7]

Kinda like the War on Terrorism??

I wouldn't go that far, but as a mission both of them are hard to stop them. Though I wouldn't compare Hezbollah to Al Qaeeda.