The Lebanese political crisis!!! (19 Viewers)
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Rab,
We have no problem with jews because of their religion...Do you know that there are some jewish members in the Palestinian parliament?? Those represent the jews who were, are , and will be an important part of our community...
Sameri jews refuse Israel as much as any Muslim or christian Palestinian does, so it's not a problem between religions or civilizations...
It is rather a problem with colonialization.
We have no problem with jews because of their religion...Do you know that there are some jewish members in the Palestinian parliament?? Those represent the jews who were, are , and will be an important part of our community...
Sameri jews refuse Israel as much as any Muslim or christian Palestinian does, so it's not a problem between religions or civilizations...
It is rather a problem with colonialization.
When I was in States this summer, I watched an Interview with Ahmady Najjad where he stated that he'll never admit that there's a country called Israel and he'll never admit that Jews deserve to live there.
As far as I know the ones he met are Jews...didn't he insulted the Jews few months back?
And thats not my only point like I said, he can sit-down with anyone he wants... but the thing is that he's pushing party's like Hezbollah against the Jews (no matter Zionists or Jew Orthodox) he's pushing Hezbollah against them.
That is very dirty game he's playing IMO.
As far as I know the ones he met are Jews...didn't he insulted the Jews few months back?
And thats not my only point like I said, he can sit-down with anyone he wants... but the thing is that he's pushing party's like Hezbollah against the Jews (no matter Zionists or Jew Orthodox) he's pushing Hezbollah against them.
That is very dirty game he's playing IMO.
I wish I can find you that Interview Reb. It was on CNN somewhere in July. If anyone can bring this up, I'd be thankful.
I'm not saying they don't share the same Ideas, what I'm saying is that the game he's playing is worse than what a prostitute can do. He's playing on both sides, and It doesn't need someone smart to figure that out.
Anyway, I can't blame him as much as I can blame his little toys (Hezbollah).
I'm not saying they don't share the same Ideas, what I'm saying is that the game he's playing is worse than what a prostitute can do. He's playing on both sides, and It doesn't need someone smart to figure that out.
Anyway, I can't blame him as much as I can blame his little toys (Hezbollah).
@Rab, and suppose that Najjad (Of course, it is better to say the Iranian system) is playing on both sides, what is the benefit that he'd get from such a double-faced policy?
You may say that he wants to fight Israel in the form of Hezballah from one side, and not to lose the Iranian Jews from the other side. But this doesn't make sense, as he already knows how the Western societies consider him, besides, if he'd already insulted the Jews, how can he still have good relationships with them as shown in the previously posted pictures?
You may say that he wants to fight Israel in the form of Hezballah from one side, and not to lose the Iranian Jews from the other side. But this doesn't make sense, as he already knows how the Western societies consider him, besides, if he'd already insulted the Jews, how can he still have good relationships with them as shown in the previously posted pictures?
those pics were from the holocaust conference in tehran, so all this talk of appeasing iranian jews is baseless.
Whats ironic in this issue is that the lebanese feel like they're paying the price for somebody else's suffering i.e palestininans who in turn have been for over 50 years paying for the holocaust...
Whats ironic in this issue is that the lebanese feel like they're paying the price for somebody else's suffering i.e palestininans who in turn have been for over 50 years paying for the holocaust...
Well, I have to say that most of the Lebanese people have offered the Palestinians very much help and sacrificed their own homes and people to give a hand to those who fought Israelis. And they have to be thanked over that. Yes, they suffered because of the Palestinian case, but it's very important to insist that the reason was not the Palestinians themselves mostly...
Lebanon have provided the Palestinian movements the whole freedom to organize itself and attack the Israeli targets, and that was a unique thing in all the Arab world countries. No other Arab country enabled Palestinians to use its lands to try to fight Israelis...And I know that some Lebanese people prefered Israelis over palestinians during the last century, but they're a minority...
So, in the end, THANK YOU LEBANON...
Lebanon have provided the Palestinian movements the whole freedom to organize itself and attack the Israeli targets, and that was a unique thing in all the Arab world countries. No other Arab country enabled Palestinians to use its lands to try to fight Israelis...And I know that some Lebanese people prefered Israelis over palestinians during the last century, but they're a minority...
So, in the end, THANK YOU LEBANON...
Thats what each country does when It feels the danger. They play on some sides so that they can either test their oppponents or try to make some negotiations through their toys(Hezbollah).
I have no Idea the reasons behind this meeting. though as I said during the Hezbollah-Israeli war in July, he stated on CNN what I posted earlier. Many politicians can insult religions/sects people, community etc.... but when It's about "negotiations" they dont make diff.
I have no Idea the reasons behind this meeting. though as I said during the Hezbollah-Israeli war in July, he stated on CNN what I posted earlier. Many politicians can insult religions/sects people, community etc.... but when It's about "negotiations" they dont make diff.
Excuse me, but I don't really think you know what we Lebanese are paying for this Iranian way of policy. It affects us much more than anyone.
We are Indeed paying the price, now, I don't know If you have any idea about these prices, but one thing you should know is that Iran with one clap or signal, they can cause a civil war in Lebanon. And this kind of civil wars will not end in Lebanon but will include all the middle east.
You're underrating the Lebanese-Iranian situation here.
We are Indeed paying the price, now, I don't know If you have any idea about these prices, but one thing you should know is that Iran with one clap or signal, they can cause a civil war in Lebanon. And this kind of civil wars will not end in Lebanon but will include all the middle east.
You're underrating the Lebanese-Iranian situation here.
There's nothing called prefered ReBeL and you know that. Lebanese have no reasons to prefer a country over any other country. At the end we're the ones paying the prices for It. We've been paying prices that I think no one on this forums really know what prices I'm talking about.
Each country that had to do It's political business way, they're were making It in Lebanon without a mercy, from Sudan, Lybia, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Israel, Kuwait, Saudi, USA and the list goes on...were all playing their football on our Land.
So when some of these Lebanese you're talking about decided to fight the Palestinians, didn't do It for the sake of Sharon or anyone else. It was clear how all this mess started in Lebanon, and no need to re-talk about them.
No one during the civil war in Lebanon really cared about us, so with no offence why should we care that time about the Palestinians or Syrians or any other Arabic country. They all took big part in destroying Lebanon.
Each country that had to do It's political business way, they're were making It in Lebanon without a mercy, from Sudan, Lybia, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Israel, Kuwait, Saudi, USA and the list goes on...were all playing their football on our Land.
So when some of these Lebanese you're talking about decided to fight the Palestinians, didn't do It for the sake of Sharon or anyone else. It was clear how all this mess started in Lebanon, and no need to re-talk about them.
No one during the civil war in Lebanon really cared about us, so with no offence why should we care that time about the Palestinians or Syrians or any other Arabic country. They all took big part in destroying Lebanon.
Okay, let's stick to the Iranian system as an example. The relationships between the Iranian system, since the Islamic revolution in Iran, and the Iranian Jews haven't been that bad, might be the curve of such relations sometimes has gone downwards and sometimes upwards, like what is happening nowadays. Hence, I see no change in the policy of Iran towards them according to the events in the area. Even though, I don't disagree with your theory completely. On the other hand, for the Iranian system to use their good relationships with the Jews as a propaganda or whatever it has been to try convincing the Westerns that they aren't against Judaism as religion, I don't think that there is anything wrong with that, on the contrary, they may succeed.
By the way, the following was said by an Iranian Jew, who faced some problems when he'd intended to travel to Jerusalem "'We are Jews, not Zionists. We are a religious community, not a political one,'' Yashaya said. I was just hinting at how the Iranian Jews think.
If I were you, I might have said more than this. I know that Lebanon has suffered a lot from the civil war, the last summer's war, etc...moreover, being burdened with howlers of the others, whoever those others are. Actually, I'm not going to argue more about that matter as, without a doubt, you know hell more than me. But there is something that I want to clarify, Rab. I think that you know the political situations in all the Arabic countries surrounding Lebanon, and here I do mean; Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Jordan. Every one of the previously mentioned countries has been turned, in my opinion, into a total farce (I'm not going to discuss every one on its own as it requires another whole discussion). As I said before, there is a huge difference between the Governments and the greedy bastards from one side, who control these countries, and the people of these nations themselves from another side. Might be the whole situation in most of these countries including Lebanon have become better if these nations are controlling themselves, I mean real democracy, but unfortunately, I'm talking about a dream.
By the way, the following was said by an Iranian Jew, who faced some problems when he'd intended to travel to Jerusalem "'We are Jews, not Zionists. We are a religious community, not a political one,'' Yashaya said. I was just hinting at how the Iranian Jews think.
If I were you, I might have said more than this. I know that Lebanon has suffered a lot from the civil war, the last summer's war, etc...moreover, being burdened with howlers of the others, whoever those others are. Actually, I'm not going to argue more about that matter as, without a doubt, you know hell more than me. But there is something that I want to clarify, Rab. I think that you know the political situations in all the Arabic countries surrounding Lebanon, and here I do mean; Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Jordan. Every one of the previously mentioned countries has been turned, in my opinion, into a total farce (I'm not going to discuss every one on its own as it requires another whole discussion). As I said before, there is a huge difference between the Governments and the greedy bastards from one side, who control these countries, and the people of these nations themselves from another side. Might be the whole situation in most of these countries including Lebanon have become better if these nations are controlling themselves, I mean real democracy, but unfortunately, I'm talking about a dream.
Exactly, Iran do have all the rights to convince the westerns through some Jews. I have no problem with that, as It doesn't concern me. That said, we, Lebanese also do have the rights to have close relationship with Israel.
I mean, If Iranians are looking for their own benifits, and Syrians are trying to negotiate with the Israeli's, Palestinians trying to do the same, why can't we Lebanese do that aswell??? I'll give you the answer...which is Hezbollah.
And looking back, you'll find out that the only reason we're still trapped in this and can't progress is because of Hezbollah WHO are financed completely by Iran. Thats my point, not whom Iran is sitting with and whom they're negotiating with... Like I said It doesn't concern me.
I just want them to have an end with Hezbollah. They're the ones who give orders to Hezbollah, they're the ones that are capable of stopping them....yes, more than syria.
I agree here, and thats why I said that we don't really prefer a country to another, as we've had enough experience with them all.
I just want good relations, no more wars no more battles and etc.... and in order to make this, we should have good relations with the Syrians(of course not with this regime) and Israeli's.
Thats the only way to end up all this mess. Not to also mention that Palestinians refugees will have their right to return to their homeland.
I mean, If Iranians are looking for their own benifits, and Syrians are trying to negotiate with the Israeli's, Palestinians trying to do the same, why can't we Lebanese do that aswell??? I'll give you the answer...which is Hezbollah.
And looking back, you'll find out that the only reason we're still trapped in this and can't progress is because of Hezbollah WHO are financed completely by Iran. Thats my point, not whom Iran is sitting with and whom they're negotiating with... Like I said It doesn't concern me.
I just want them to have an end with Hezbollah. They're the ones who give orders to Hezbollah, they're the ones that are capable of stopping them....yes, more than syria.
I agree here, and thats why I said that we don't really prefer a country to another, as we've had enough experience with them all.
I just want good relations, no more wars no more battles and etc.... and in order to make this, we should have good relations with the Syrians(of course not with this regime) and Israeli's.
Thats the only way to end up all this mess. Not to also mention that Palestinians refugees will have their right to return to their homeland.
@Rab, you said before that you'd welcome a peace accord between Lebanon and Israel like the one between Egypt and Israel or the one between Jordan and Israel. So, would you clarify the following points please?
1) Do you know exactly the consequences of the accords between Egypt and Jordan from one side and Israel from the other side?
2) Are you sure 100% that Israel would agree terms for a peace accord with Lebanon if Hezbollah surrender their weapons?
3) If the answer of the previous question is yes, so, do you think that Israel would write an end to the story of their nuclear power after such an accord? (Knowing that with such an agreement with Lebanon, Israel would have relationships with Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, Syria doesn't even form a threat to Israel and finally the Iranian nuclear power can't be compared to that of the Israel's)
1) Do you know exactly the consequences of the accords between Egypt and Jordan from one side and Israel from the other side?
2) Are you sure 100% that Israel would agree terms for a peace accord with Lebanon if Hezbollah surrender their weapons?
3) If the answer of the previous question is yes, so, do you think that Israel would write an end to the story of their nuclear power after such an accord? (Knowing that with such an agreement with Lebanon, Israel would have relationships with Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, Syria doesn't even form a threat to Israel and finally the Iranian nuclear power can't be compared to that of the Israel's)
Not necessary like the Egyptian Jordanian one, when I named these two countries, I was hinting at the Idea of the peace not the consequences and the agreements between Jordan and Israel or Egypt and Israel.
Our situation isn't exactly like Egypt or Jordan were before. But that saying that the Idea of making peace, though like I said terms would be diff, but the Idea of making peace will surely move Lebanon into another saga, new level (surely better one) and build a relationships with others.
I think I'm informed enough about It. I've read books, seen reports about It and many other things. I wouldn't have opened the subject If I wasn't that much into it.
Good question. But also, the same question should be asked about Hezbollah, If they would really respect It just like the Israelis. We can't just question one side and leave the other alone. Thats the logic.
Anyway, I think If peace agreement would take place between Lebanon and Israel, and Olmert or whoever is in-charge, didn't really respect It and crossed the line, than, our Army will surely react, not Hezbollah.
I'm with our Army defending our homeland where they take no orders from no one but the General in the Lebanese Army. See the diff?
While on the other hand, If each time Israel cross the line and Hezbollah would want to react than this would absolutely put us behind and not infront.
TBH, I can't predict about the Israeli-Iranian situation. I think soon time will tell how the Iranian situation will be, considering that they're VS Europe and States and lot of Arabic countries.
We'll have to see.
Our situation isn't exactly like Egypt or Jordan were before. But that saying that the Idea of making peace, though like I said terms would be diff, but the Idea of making peace will surely move Lebanon into another saga, new level (surely better one) and build a relationships with others.
I think I'm informed enough about It. I've read books, seen reports about It and many other things. I wouldn't have opened the subject If I wasn't that much into it.
Good question. But also, the same question should be asked about Hezbollah, If they would really respect It just like the Israelis. We can't just question one side and leave the other alone. Thats the logic.
Anyway, I think If peace agreement would take place between Lebanon and Israel, and Olmert or whoever is in-charge, didn't really respect It and crossed the line, than, our Army will surely react, not Hezbollah.
I'm with our Army defending our homeland where they take no orders from no one but the General in the Lebanese Army. See the diff?
While on the other hand, If each time Israel cross the line and Hezbollah would want to react than this would absolutely put us behind and not infront.
TBH, I can't predict about the Israeli-Iranian situation. I think soon time will tell how the Iranian situation will be, considering that they're VS Europe and States and lot of Arabic countries.
We'll have to see.