The Lebanese political crisis!!! (11 Viewers)

[Vinman]

Not necessary like the Egyptian Jordanian one, when I named these two countries, I was hinting at the Idea of the peace not the consequences and the agreements between Jordan and Israel or Egypt and Israel.

Our situation isn't exactly like Egypt or Jordan were before. But that saying that the Idea of making peace, though like I said terms would be diff, but the Idea of making peace will surely move Lebanon into another saga, new level (surely better one) and build a relationships with others.



I think I'm informed enough about It. I've read books, seen reports about It and many other things. I wouldn't have opened the subject If I wasn't that much into it.




Good question. But also, the same question should be asked about Hezbollah, If they would really respect It just like the Israelis. We can't just question one side and leave the other alone. Thats the logic.

Anyway, I think If peace agreement would take place between Lebanon and Israel, and Olmert or whoever is in-charge, didn't really respect It and crossed the line, than, our Army will surely react, not Hezbollah.

I'm with our Army defending our homeland where they take no orders from no one but the General in the Lebanese Army. See the diff?

While on the other hand, If each time Israel cross the line and Hezbollah would want to react than this would absolutely put us behind and not infront.




TBH, I can't predict about the Israeli-Iranian situation. I think soon time will tell how the Iranian situation will be, considering that they're VS Europe and States and lot of Arabic countries.

We'll have to see.

not to change the subject too much here, but I think I could tell you how the Iranian-Israeli situation will end up...

Iran will keep delaying their decision to stop uranium enrichment, and Europe and the rest of the world will keep pussy-footing around, with the word "diplomacy" coming up another 5 million times (which won't work), and Russia will never agree with any sanctions against Iran in the UN (who do you think is arming them, Mickey Mouse ??), and FINALLY, Iran will have nuclear weapons, capable of hitting Israel and beyond, and someone will have to take them out before Iran can fire theirs

thats the way things will go....mark my words

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

he's leader of the club thats made for you and me, m i c k e y m o u s a oops e

 

[Azzurri7]

not to change the subject too much here, but I think I could tell you how the Iranian-Israeli situation will end up...

Iran will keep delaying their decision to stop uranium enrichment, and Europe and the rest of the world will keep pussy-footing around, with the word "diplomacy" coming up another 5 million times (which won't work), and Russia will never agree with any sanctions against Iran in the UN (who do you think is arming them, Mickey Mouse ??), and FINALLY, Iran will have nuclear weapons, capable of hitting Israel and beyond, and someone will have to take them out before Iran can fire theirs

thats the way things will go....mark my words

Couldn't agree more.

 

[JCK]

Rab, my man, I know you will love this

Doctors have finally discovered the problem in Michel Aoun 's Brain:

On the left side there is nothing right

On the right side there is nothing left

:rofl2:

 

[JCK]

You will also love this

 

[Azzurri7]

, I wish some would understand what we're talking here, I would definitely nominate that pic for post of the month

 

[Ahmedios]

Not necessary like the Egyptian Jordanian one, when I named these two countries, I was hinting at the Idea of the peace not the consequences and the agreements between Jordan and Israel or Egypt and Israel.

Our situation isn't exactly like Egypt or Jordan were before. But that saying that the Idea of making peace, though like I said terms would be diff, but the Idea of making peace will surely move Lebanon into another saga, new level (surely better one) and build a relationships with others.

I fathom that Rab, I know that all the issue is about a peace treaty with terms that suit Lebanon's political situation, hence, the consequences will be completely different from those of the Egyptian Jordanian ones. It is my fault for not clarifying my question.

I think I'm informed enough about It. I've read books, seen reports about It and many other things. I wouldn't have opened the subject If I wasn't that much into it.

I believe that our accord with Israel has been our greatest historical howler ever due to dozens of reasons, even though, I'm not going to discuss that issue now because, first of all, this would be completely off topic. Of course, ReBeL knows more than me about the Jordanian one, but if you want my opinion generally, I have to say that I'm not against these accords just for their consequences, whatever they are, but due to the principle itself.

 

[ReBeL]

I fathom that Rab, I know that all the issue is about a peace treaty with terms that suit Lebanon's political situation, hence, the consequences will be completely different from those of the Egyptian Jordanian ones. It is my fault for not clarifying my question.


I believe that our accord with Israel has been our greatest historical howler ever due to dozens of reasons, even though, I'm not going to discuss that issue now because, first of all, this would be completely off topic. Of course, ReBeL knows more than me about the Jordanian one, but if you want my opinion generally, I have to say that I'm not against these accords just for their consequences, whatever they are, but due to the principle itself.

I'm dying to know one advantage for those accords...

 

[JCK]

I'm dying to know one advantage for those accords...

Here's two: No people are killed and no damages in the countries.

 

[Snoop]

did anyone see King abdallah's speech yesterday?

 

[ReBeL]

Here's two: No people are killed and no damages in the countries.

But the war was already stopped since long years, and no bullet was shot since decades...

did anyone see Kind abdallah's speech yesterday?

 

[Snoop]

king abdallah's

 

[ReBeL]

king abdallah's

 

[Snoop]

sadam husain

 

[Ahmedios]

I'm dying to know one advantage for those accords...

You'll be more than lucky if you can check the bank statements in Switzerland of the Arabic leaders, who signed them, in the last 25 years. If you can, you'll know at least one of those advantages.

 

[Azzurri7]

Seems like Bashar Al Assad wont stop his "serial terror" plan. He did it in a good time so that people can fear and not participate in Hariri's 2nd memorial death.




Lebanon bus bombings kill three

AFP - 2007 / 2 / 13

Bomb blasts tore through two buses in Lebanon on Tuesday, killing three people as the deeply divided nation prepared to commemorate the murder of ex-premier Rafiq Hariri two years ago. The bombings in a mainly Christian mountain area northeast of Beirut were the latest in a spate of attacks blamed on Lebanon's former powerbroker Syria and came at a time of high political tensions. "This is another terrorist attempt to exert control over Lebanon with blood and repression," charged Minister of Social Affairs Nayla Moawad, a member of the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority.

The state news agency said the first explosion occurred at 9:30 am (0730 GMT) in a minibus full of passengers and just seven minutes later another minibus was blown up. "Three people were killed and 18 others were wounded," said a police spokesman, identifying the dead as an Egyptian national as well as a Lebanese man and a woman. Television pictures showed security men with sniffer dogs probing the mangled wreckage of the buses in Ain Alak, a village lying in the shadow of the snow-capped Mount Lebanon, a Christian area in multi-confessional Lebanon. "Initial reports show that explosive charges were placed inside the buses," the police spokesman added.

The bombings are likely to exacerbate tensions in a country where the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Shiite Muslim Hezbollah movement is spearheading a campaign to bring down the Western-backed government. They come on the eve of ceremonies to remember the killing of billionaire five-time premier Hariri, the subject of a UN probe that has pointed the finger of blame at Syria. His assassination in a massive Beirut truck bombing on February 14, 2005, was followed by a series of killings and attacks against other prominent anti-Syrian politicians and journalists.

Parliamentary leader MP Saad Hariri described Tuesday's bombings as a "cowardly terrorist attack" designed to disrupt ceremonies for his slain father. Ain Alak is situated near Bikfaya, the hometown of former Christian president Amin Gemayel whose minister son Pierre was gunned down in a Beirut suburb on November 21, the most recent attack against a Damascus critic.

Syrian-backed Lebanese President Emile Lahoud said the "massacre... is a clear attempt to foil all internal, regional and international efforts to achieve Lebanese national unity." "All the Lebanese feel that they are targets, and what happened was a harrowing crime that targeted civilians," added Hezbollah MP Hasan Fadlallah.

Syria, which has vehemently denied being involved in any of the attacks against its critics, has so far not responded to Tuesday's events. Saad Hariri said the attacks underscored the need for an international tribunal to try those suspected in the Hariri killing, a move the pro-Syrian opposition has been blocking. Lebanon's feuding factions are headed for a standoff Wednesday after government supporters announced plans to mark

Hariri's death in the same Beirut square where the opposition has been staging its sit-in for more than two months. Six ministers from Hezbollah and its pro-Syrian allies quit the government in November largely over the cabinet's endorsement of a UN tribunal for Hariri's murder. Seven people were killed last month in fighting between pro- and anti-government demonstrators after the opposition called for a one-day protest strike.

The anniversary of Hariri's assassination also falls six months to the day since a UN-brokered ceasefire brought an end to a blistering war between Israel and Hezbollah. Hariri's killing triggered massive international pressure on Syria, which in April 2005 pulled its troops out of Lebanon after a 29-year military presence. French President Jacques Chirac expressed his horror at the bombings. "By striking on the eve of the commemoration of the attack that claimed the lives of Rafiq Hariri and his companions, these murderers are trying to plunge the whole of Lebanon back into violence."

Remmber this??? When we accuse Bashar regime and say he's the terror of the middle-east....well, They Captured the people that were behind the bus bombing that killed 3people and injured alot, 1day before Hariri's 2nd memoria.

- 2007 / 3 / 14

Four Syrians held by the Lebanese authorities have confessed to bombing two buses in Lebanon last month, killing three people, Lebanon's interior minister said on Tuesday.

Hassan al-Sabaa said the men were members of Fateh al-Islam, a small Palestinian group which he linked to Syrian intelligence. Fateh al-Islam broke away last year from Fateh al-Intifada, another Palestinian group.

A fifth man, also Syrian, was on the run, Sabaa said.

"It is no secret that Fateh al-Islam is Fateh al-Intifada and Fateh al-Intifada is part of the Syrian intelligence-security apparatus," Sabaa told reporters.

Fateh al-Islam denied any link to the bus bombs in the Christian village of Ain Alaq.

"If a man had been killed in the Amazon forest, Fateh al-Islam would have been accused of his murder," it said in a statement.
The bombing on February13 was a day before the second anniversary of the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, whose killing many Lebanese blame on Syria. Damascus denies involvement.

The bombing had been added to a list of attacks being investigated by a U.N. inquiry into the Hariri killing.

Information Minister Ghazi Aridi said the men had been instructed to carry out the attack before February 14.

"They said that their bosses had asked them to be ready to carry out another operation," Aridi said, adding that the target was to be an office of the Kataeb Party, a Christian faction which is part of the anti-Syrian governing coalition.

Pierre Gemayel, a cabinet minister and Kataeb leader, was assassinated in November. Ain Alaq is in the area of Bikfaya, home to Gemayel's father and Kataeb leader, former President Amin Gemayel.

Security sources said earlier that six members of Fateh al-Islam had confessed to the Ain Alaq bombs.

Fateh al-Islam first emerged in the Palestinian refugee camp of Bedawi in north Lebanon.

Governing coalition leaders said the February 13 bombing was designed to deter their supporters from attending a Beirut rally to mark the Hariri killing and to bolster their camp against a political challenge by the opposition.

The opposition includes Hezbollah and Amal, which are both close to Damascus.

 

[Azzurri7]

And the thing is that there are still 10's of people who should be taken to the authorities, but they're all hiding and protected in the palestinian camps in Lebanon.

God knows when we'll finish from all this mess

 

[Zé Tahir]

A former top American diplomat says the US deliberately resisted calls for a immediate ceasefire during the conflict in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

Former ambassador to the UN John Bolton told the BBC that before any ceasefire Washington wanted Israel to eliminate Hezbollah's military capability.

Mr Bolton said an early ceasefire would have been "dangerous and misguided".

He said the US decided to join efforts to end the conflict only when it was clear Israel's campaign wasn't working.
he former envoy, who stepped down in December 2006, was interviewed for a BBC radio documentary, The Summer War in Lebanon, to be broadcast in April.

Mr Bolton said the US was deeply disappointed at Israel's failure to remove the threat from Hezbollah and the subsequent lack of any attempt to disarm its forces.

Britain joined the US in refusing to call for an immediate ceasefire.

'Damn proud'

The war began when Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers, but it quickly escalated into a full-scale conflict.

BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says the US-UK refusal to join calls for a ceasefire was one of the most controversial aspects of the diplomacy.

At the time US officials argued a ceasefire was insufficient and agreement was needed to address the underlying tensions and balance of power in the region.

Mr Bolton now describes it as "perfectly legitimate... and good politics" for the Israelis to seek to defeat their enemy militarily, especially as Hezbollah had attacked Israel first and it was acting "in its own self-defence".

Mr Bolton, a controversial and blunt-speaking figure, said he was "damned proud of what we did" to prevent an early ceasefire.

Also in the BBC programme, several key players claim that, privately, there were Arab leaders who also wanted Israel to destroy Hezbollah.

"There were many not - how should I put it - resistant to the thought that the Israelis should thoroughly defeat Hezbollah, who... increasingly by Arab states were seen as an Iranian proxy," said UN special envoy Terje Roed Larsen.

More than 1,000 Lebanese civilians and an unknown number of Hezbollah fighters were killed in the conflict.

Israel lost 116 soldiers in the fighting, while 43 of its civilians were killed in Hezbollah rocket attacks.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6479377.stm

 

[Falafel]

A former top American diplomat says the US deliberately resisted calls for a immediate ceasefire during the conflict in Lebanon in the summer of 2006.

Former ambassador to the UN John Bolton told the BBC that before any ceasefire Washington wanted Israel to eliminate Hezbollah's military capability.

Mr Bolton said an early ceasefire would have been "dangerous and misguided".

He said the US decided to join efforts to end the conflict only when it was clear Israel's campaign wasn't working.
he former envoy, who stepped down in December 2006, was interviewed for a BBC radio documentary, The Summer War in Lebanon, to be broadcast in April.

Mr Bolton said the US was deeply disappointed at Israel's failure to remove the threat from Hezbollah and the subsequent lack of any attempt to disarm its forces.

Britain joined the US in refusing to call for an immediate ceasefire.

 

[Rami]

not to change the subject too much here, but I think I could tell you how the Iranian-Israeli situation will end up...

Iran will keep delaying their decision to stop uranium enrichment, and Europe and the rest of the world will keep pussy-footing around, with the word "diplomacy" coming up another 5 million times (which won't work), and Russia will never agree with any sanctions against Iran in the UN (who do you think is arming them, Mickey Mouse ??), and FINALLY, Iran will have nuclear weapons, capable of hitting Israel and beyond, and someone will have to take them out before Iran can fire theirs

thats the way things will go....mark my words

So you are saying that Armagedon is nigh??