zionism: supporting the movement that wants jews to have a homeland in palestine. That land is called israel.
in other words, it is the support of israel nowadays.
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zionism: supporting the movement that wants jews to have a homeland in palestine. That land is called israel.
in other words, it is the support of israel nowadays.
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They ruled Egypt and they had lot of Interest there, had they wanted to stay and no peace agreement was going to take place, nobody would have removed them from there.
The same goes to Syria (Golan) they're occupying It since long time, yet the only way they can withdraw from there is by making peace agreement.
Israel know they can't vanish palestine nor their current people over there. It's pretty hard to happen. So I pretty much doubt what you said.
The same goes to Syria (Golan) they're occupying It since long time, yet the only way they can withdraw from there is by making peace agreement.
Israel know they can't vanish palestine nor their current people over there. It's pretty hard to happen. So I pretty much doubt what you said.
The question is why shouldn't Lebanon and Israel sign the peace treaty (just like with Jordan and Egypt like you say) without Syria ? Syria has nothing to do with it. Israel can't sign a peace treaty with Syria, because (a) withdrawing from the Golan and especially to the extent that Syria wishes is unacceptable in many reasons which are off topic here (b) Syria finances both Hezbollah and Hamas and Palesitnian Islamic Jihad, and that they will NOT be willing to stop that entirely and in the seriousness needed. That's why it's impossible and Assad is not sincere. Signing a peace treaty with a dictator like Assad family who aren't better than Saddam is also quite problematic. That's why Israel and Lebanon should be signing a peace treaty regardless, I think you agree with me and it's unfortunate that Lebanon is not free enough to decide that for its own, it's really very sad.
Indeed, your posts are on the mark. I didn't know that it's originally lebanese though like you say, but i don't mind. Returning the Shebba farms to Lebanon for real peace will be widely supported by Israelis. The Golan, the rest, is a much more sensitive issue and I can't support its withdrawal either, for hisotrical reasons, for the people living there, for the water sources, economics and the vulnerability and the past. But the Shebba wouldn't be a problem. Israelis simply see that this is not what preoccupies Nasrallah, he never mentioned it when Israel was in the South (the Security Belt) because he believed Israel wouldn't retreat to the U.N accepted line, which Israel eventually did and left him in a problem.
Good post.
The thing here is that we Lebanese are not dying to make peace with Syria, but the situation and the atmosphere, and as a Lebanese to end something called Hezbolla, Israel should make treaty peace with Syria. Thats the most thing I care about ATM.
Probably Israel have their conditions that they don't want to make peace with syria and I completely understand that, but no one can deny that It helps Israel from many ways, stop financing Hamas and Hezbolla will make Israel more security country.
Another thing is that If we make treaty peace with Israel and on the other hand syria don't make, more problems will show up and I'm talking between the two countries (Lebanon and syria)...Assad's regime will never leave us in peace and never will unless Israel put an end for him. I repeat, Lebanon will never be in peace as long as a dictator like Bashar is allowed to do what he's doing.
However, I think 2007 will be full of surprises.
The thing here is that we Lebanese are not dying to make peace with Syria, but the situation and the atmosphere, and as a Lebanese to end something called Hezbolla, Israel should make treaty peace with Syria. Thats the most thing I care about ATM.
Probably Israel have their conditions that they don't want to make peace with syria and I completely understand that, but no one can deny that It helps Israel from many ways, stop financing Hamas and Hezbolla will make Israel more security country.
Another thing is that If we make treaty peace with Israel and on the other hand syria don't make, more problems will show up and I'm talking between the two countries (Lebanon and syria)...Assad's regime will never leave us in peace and never will unless Israel put an end for him. I repeat, Lebanon will never be in peace as long as a dictator like Bashar is allowed to do what he's doing.
However, I think 2007 will be full of surprises.
It's not the act of sitting with Condoleeza Rice, it's the OUTCOME of what happened - More war and more destruction! 
Right after Senioura requested that Hezballah to disarm DURING the onslaught, Hezballah simply said no for the OBVIOUS reason that the country is being attacked. Logically you must defend yourself. Plus this is the SAME government that gave Hezballah the support to be the legitimise them as the country's freedom fighters. i.e. a green light to use their arms in case of an attack against Lebanon.
After the meeting Senioura was left helpless, and simply didn't give a sh*t when Condy said she'd give Israel MORE TIME to bomb (approx. 16 days)
And just two hours before the cease-fire, over 100 shells were launched all over Lebanon. Just random targets mosty in Shi'a-populated areas.
The people sitting in downtown Beirut opposing the government are fed up. Their expectations are not Iran, Syria and whatever else conspiracies you have in mind. And Nasrallah is even saying he is willing to cooperate with pro gov't officials in order to have a balanced leadership.
Ya3ne, aktar min hek shou badkon?
Right after Senioura requested that Hezballah to disarm DURING the onslaught, Hezballah simply said no for the OBVIOUS reason that the country is being attacked. Logically you must defend yourself. Plus this is the SAME government that gave Hezballah the support to be the legitimise them as the country's freedom fighters. i.e. a green light to use their arms in case of an attack against Lebanon.
After the meeting Senioura was left helpless, and simply didn't give a sh*t when Condy said she'd give Israel MORE TIME to bomb (approx. 16 days)
And just two hours before the cease-fire, over 100 shells were launched all over Lebanon. Just random targets mosty in Shi'a-populated areas.
The people sitting in downtown Beirut opposing the government are fed up. Their expectations are not Iran, Syria and whatever else conspiracies you have in mind. And Nasrallah is even saying he is willing to cooperate with pro gov't officials in order to have a balanced leadership.
Ya3ne, aktar min hek shou badkon?
True, very true... if Assad helps aggravate the situation with the border with Iraq, U.S might at some point decide to end its regime like it did with Iraq, but it doesn't seem probable even with local U.S support of course. It's strange how U.S attacked Iraq and not Syria in many ways. Syria has WMD , oppression, guilty of past genocides, support for terrorism etc more than Iraq. I hope one day Israel and Lebanon can live in peace. There never should have been a conflict between the two countries to begin with. And the core in the end goes back to the fact Syria would have wanted both territories to be a part of Greater Syria and doesn't want the areas to live in peace.
To juventus710, that's your opinion perhaps but it's both offensive and not true.
To Rhizoid, I don't see what's pathetic, they were writing messages to Hezbollah which is very understandable. It's better than having kindergarten kids and even babies wear explosive belts, and there was nothing wrong with that. But it's off topic.
To juventus710, that's your opinion perhaps but it's both offensive and not true.
To Rhizoid, I don't see what's pathetic, they were writing messages to Hezbollah which is very understandable. It's better than having kindergarten kids and even babies wear explosive belts, and there was nothing wrong with that. But it's off topic.
Sorry, didn't get the insinuation...
What land exactly are you referring to? If you're talking about the land that nowadays called the Gaza strip - yes, that's the land that was called Palestine. If you're talking about the land that nowadays called Israel - sorry to disappoint you, but even b4 there was a land called Palestine, this land was called the Kingdom of Israel. And if you want to go even further in history - it was called also Canaan (a Hebrew word).
And here's the most interesting part: in Quran there're several times when the term Al-Ard Al-Muqaddasah (the Holy Land) is mentioned. One of them is when Moses proclaims to the Children of Israel and I quote: "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin." (Surah 5:21)
What land exactly are you referring to? If you're talking about the land that nowadays called the Gaza strip - yes, that's the land that was called Palestine. If you're talking about the land that nowadays called Israel - sorry to disappoint you, but even b4 there was a land called Palestine, this land was called the Kingdom of Israel. And if you want to go even further in history - it was called also Canaan (a Hebrew word).
And here's the most interesting part: in Quran there're several times when the term Al-Ard Al-Muqaddasah (the Holy Land) is mentioned. One of them is when Moses proclaims to the Children of Israel and I quote: "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin." (Surah 5:21)