The Lebanese political crisis!!! (23 Viewers)
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Not sure of organized. But I'm sure they made it easy for them to enter Lebanon, they financed them, they gave them anything they need, from money to weapon etc... We all know how the likes of Restom Ghazale and Maher Assad think. They occupied Lebanon, we have experience with this. trust me.
But what can i say, Tribunal will one day come
, an justice will also come.
But what can i say, Tribunal will one day come
, an justice will also come.
Not sure of organized. But I'm sure they made it easy for them to enter Lebanon, they financed them, they gave them anything they need, from money to weapon etc... We all know how the likes of Restom Ghazale and Maher Assad think. They occupied Lebanon, we have experience with this. trust me.
But what can i say, Tribunal will one day come, an justice will also come.
But what can i say, Tribunal will one day come
, an justice will also come.
The South is completely controlled by Hezaballah who depends mainly on Iran and even without Iran, Hezballah has become very strong and self dependant and has a hell of supporters inside and outside Lebanon. And Fateh Islam in the North will give up, but again Iran and Al-Qaeda can't build their plans on some amateur gangsters, the issue is much bigger than Syria and mark my words.
Please Ahmed, please. tell me
How on earth Syria has nothing to do with this one INO, when they entered through Syrian borders? Syrian regime are aware of every single ant or mosquito having a walk in Syria. Try to convince me in ANYTHING but saying Syrian regime was not aware of these is really above the sky.
Of course Tribunal wont have any effect on this, and THATS why they're doing this, you answered it yourself Ahmed. Thats called revenge, and witnessing Lebanon in panic/war would make Restom satisy alongside Bashar of course.
I really cannot understand one thing, only one thing, If bachar Assad HIMSELF and Walid l Maalem said that Lebanon will turn into new Iraq and moreover bachar told Pan ki mon, that tribunal under 7th chapter will cause conflicts between Lebanese themselves....
And I repeat if we only have TWO borders in Lebanon with Israel is sorrounded by UN and Lebanese Army, and with Syria, where else can they come other than Syria??? from the sky? or from Zimbabwe?
I mean really, it's all about common sense and a bit of LOGIC.
How on earth Syria has nothing to do with this one INO, when they entered through Syrian borders? Syrian regime are aware of every single ant or mosquito having a walk in Syria. Try to convince me in ANYTHING but saying Syrian regime was not aware of these is really above the sky.
Of course Tribunal wont have any effect on this, and THATS why they're doing this, you answered it yourself Ahmed. Thats called revenge, and witnessing Lebanon in panic/war would make Restom satisy alongside Bashar of course.
I really cannot understand one thing, only one thing, If bachar Assad HIMSELF and Walid l Maalem said that Lebanon will turn into new Iraq and moreover bachar told Pan ki mon, that tribunal under 7th chapter will cause conflicts between Lebanese themselves....
And I repeat if we only have TWO borders in Lebanon with Israel is sorrounded by UN and Lebanese Army, and with Syria, where else can they come other than Syria??? from the sky? or from Zimbabwe?
I mean really, it's all about common sense and a bit of LOGIC.
You absolutely know as I know that the Syrian regime, Iran and Hezballah are one unite, hence, it is very logical and beneficial for all of them to not attack or oppose the others' targets in the region. Even though, Fateh Islam isn't related to the two mentioned systems or organisation. Simply, as I said in a previous post, the ideology of Fateh Islam completely contradicts the Alawy regime in Syria and the strict Shiite Iranian system and Hezballah, however, maybe Iran have a hand in this but this possibility is very slim.
Then, how it come for Syria to back them and why? Yes, the Fateh Islam members might have entered through the Syrian borders but this doesn't mean that Syria is the one that supplies them with money and weapons. Most importantly, how can we prove 100% that the Syrians know that there is an illegal organisation on its land, bearing in mind that the members of Fateh Islam are around 500, plus more than half of them have been in either El Badawa or Nahr El Bared years ago. I remember Ayman El Zawahri when he said two years after the war on Iraq that Al-Qaeda should have had hands everywhere in the Middle East, he was hinting at Lebanon.
Rab, do you remember what was happening in Egypt in the mid 90's when the organisation of El Tawheed wel Hegra formed a very strong organisation in Egypt based on the same radical religious ideologies of El-Qaeda, and Egypt suffered bloody terrorist massacres from Aswan to Alexandria. By the way, the regime in Egypt was extremely strict during the 80's and 90's, from where did they enter Egypt, from Sudan or Libya?
As for the regime in Syria, the regime there isn't that stupid to revenge in such a critical period. And I don't mean the tribunal, I mean here the look of the international society to them if it is proved that they are the real founders or suppliers of Fateh Islam. Lebanon in fact isn't in war against Syria or the Syrian regime, because if Syria has a specific aim in Lebanon, Hezballah is more than capable of performing it perfectly. Lebanon is dealing with an international radical organisation, like all the countries in the Middle East. One last thing, despite your hatred to Hezballah, you're more than sure that they can't aim their guns to a single Lebanese someday, it never happened and it will never happen. Also, how can Hezballah know that Syria is responsible for the butchery of Nahr El Bared of the Palestinians, whom Hezballah is fighting for, or the Lebanese, who are Hezballah themselves and whom Hezballah is fighting for too, and accept it as if nothing is taking place on its land? This is nonsense if you ask me. And don't tell me that El Sayyed Nasrallah knows but he doesn't give a toss.
Then, how it come for Syria to back them and why? Yes, the Fateh Islam members might have entered through the Syrian borders but this doesn't mean that Syria is the one that supplies them with money and weapons. Most importantly, how can we prove 100% that the Syrians know that there is an illegal organisation on its land, bearing in mind that the members of Fateh Islam are around 500, plus more than half of them have been in either El Badawa or Nahr El Bared years ago. I remember Ayman El Zawahri when he said two years after the war on Iraq that Al-Qaeda should have had hands everywhere in the Middle East, he was hinting at Lebanon.
Rab, do you remember what was happening in Egypt in the mid 90's when the organisation of El Tawheed wel Hegra formed a very strong organisation in Egypt based on the same radical religious ideologies of El-Qaeda, and Egypt suffered bloody terrorist massacres from Aswan to Alexandria. By the way, the regime in Egypt was extremely strict during the 80's and 90's, from where did they enter Egypt, from Sudan or Libya?
As for the regime in Syria, the regime there isn't that stupid to revenge in such a critical period. And I don't mean the tribunal, I mean here the look of the international society to them if it is proved that they are the real founders or suppliers of Fateh Islam. Lebanon in fact isn't in war against Syria or the Syrian regime, because if Syria has a specific aim in Lebanon, Hezballah is more than capable of performing it perfectly. Lebanon is dealing with an international radical organisation, like all the countries in the Middle East. One last thing, despite your hatred to Hezballah, you're more than sure that they can't aim their guns to a single Lebanese someday, it never happened and it will never happen. Also, how can Hezballah know that Syria is responsible for the butchery of Nahr El Bared of the Palestinians, whom Hezballah is fighting for, or the Lebanese, who are Hezballah themselves and whom Hezballah is fighting for too, and accept it as if nothing is taking place on its land? This is nonsense if you ask me. And don't tell me that El Sayyed Nasrallah knows but he doesn't give a toss.
according to? claiming something as a truth isn't that easy, and specially when it comes to politics.
this has nothing to do with common sense and logic like you claimed. why?
1- First of all Syria can't control the whole of it's border with Lebanon or any other country. Not even a country like USA can control it's borders..
2- These people are (like being told by the officials) are not from one nation, Saudi, Syrian, Tunisian, Egyptians along with Palestinians etc.. were they wanted by the officials? is it hard for a foreigner to have a visa and come to Lebanon? Do the Lebanese officials know each member of each organization??
3- There are also Terrorists that come to Syria for same reasons, so Syria's neighbors whichever it is , that these Terrorists came by their boarders are the one that are controlling these Groups?
I am not saying that Fath il Islam has nothing to do with Syria, but your post doesn't show any connection with that to conclude they are controlled by Syria.
this has nothing to do with common sense and logic like you claimed. why?
1- First of all Syria can't control the whole of it's border with Lebanon or any other country. Not even a country like USA can control it's borders..
2- These people are (like being told by the officials) are not from one nation, Saudi, Syrian, Tunisian, Egyptians along with Palestinians etc.. were they wanted by the officials? is it hard for a foreigner to have a visa and come to Lebanon? Do the Lebanese officials know each member of each organization??
3- There are also Terrorists that come to Syria for same reasons, so Syria's neighbors whichever it is , that these Terrorists came by their boarders are the one that are controlling these Groups?
I am not saying that Fath il Islam has nothing to do with Syria, but your post doesn't show any connection with that to conclude they are controlled by Syria.
The UN Security Council has approved the creation of an international court to try suspects in the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.
The resolution was adopted with 10 votes in favour, five abstentions and no veto by a permanent member - Russia, US, China, UK and France.
The court's creation is the subject of intense political debate in Lebanon.
Mr Hariri and 22 others were killed in a massive bomb blast in Beirut on 14 February 2005.
Lebanon now has until 10 June to ratify the proposal, otherwise the Security Council may consider independently authorising a tribunal as it did in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora backs the plans for an international tribunal, while the mainly pro-Syrian opposition has blocked attempts to establish it.
It was because of these divisions that the Lebanese government asked the Security Council to act.
The US, UK and France pushed for the Security Council to establish the court, arguing that political assassination could not go unpunished.
'Political killing'
Russia and South Africa had questioned why the Security Council was overriding Lebanon's sovereign parliament.
There was also an argument about why the court was being set up under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, meaning it could ultimately be enforced by military action.
Chapter VII was used to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
However, the US and its allies argued that only Chapter VII resolutions were legally enforceable.
Details of the tribunal, including where it will be based, are still to be decided and diplomats expect it will be a year before it starts work.
An interim UN investigation found Mr Hariri's killing was "probably" politically motivated and has implicated Syria, but Damascus has denied any involvement in his death.
Syrian President Bashar Assad has said any Syrian suspects would be tried in Syria and he would not release them to a tribunal.
In 2005, Syria withdrew its troops from Lebanon after a presence of 29 years, following massive domestic and international pressure after the assassination of Mr Hariri.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6703587.stm
The resolution was adopted with 10 votes in favour, five abstentions and no veto by a permanent member - Russia, US, China, UK and France.
The court's creation is the subject of intense political debate in Lebanon.
Mr Hariri and 22 others were killed in a massive bomb blast in Beirut on 14 February 2005.
Lebanon now has until 10 June to ratify the proposal, otherwise the Security Council may consider independently authorising a tribunal as it did in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora backs the plans for an international tribunal, while the mainly pro-Syrian opposition has blocked attempts to establish it.
It was because of these divisions that the Lebanese government asked the Security Council to act.
The US, UK and France pushed for the Security Council to establish the court, arguing that political assassination could not go unpunished.
'Political killing'
Russia and South Africa had questioned why the Security Council was overriding Lebanon's sovereign parliament.
There was also an argument about why the court was being set up under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, meaning it could ultimately be enforced by military action.
Chapter VII was used to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
However, the US and its allies argued that only Chapter VII resolutions were legally enforceable.
Details of the tribunal, including where it will be based, are still to be decided and diplomats expect it will be a year before it starts work.
An interim UN investigation found Mr Hariri's killing was "probably" politically motivated and has implicated Syria, but Damascus has denied any involvement in his death.
Syrian President Bashar Assad has said any Syrian suspects would be tried in Syria and he would not release them to a tribunal.
In 2005, Syria withdrew its troops from Lebanon after a presence of 29 years, following massive domestic and international pressure after the assassination of Mr Hariri.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/6703587.stm
Finally...Lebanese have waited for this event for more than two years now.
Finally, justice will come and will bring all these criminals who were behind the assasinations to court, this way we'll live in much better place and peace.
Many thanks to his son Saad Hariri who couldnt hide his tears from happiness who also worked daily in-order to see this working.
Thanks to everyone who worked on this from 14march movement and non 14march movement, and like President Sanyoura said few moments ago, this is not victory to any party, this is victory to all the Lebanese people.
Finally, justice will come and will bring all these criminals who were behind the assasinations to court, this way we'll live in much better place and peace.
Many thanks to his son Saad Hariri who couldnt hide his tears from happiness who also worked daily in-order to see this working.
Thanks to everyone who worked on this from 14march movement and non 14march movement, and like President Sanyoura said few moments ago, this is not victory to any party, this is victory to all the Lebanese people.
