The Lebanese political crisis!!! (15 Viewers)

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Yes:agree:, but Bremerts stated that he wont declare anything and he will let everything takes control at court.

He doesn't want to put himself in trouble. But he assured people he has more than clear evidence.

Time will tell more.
Thanks Rab for your reply...
I'm with punishing the guilty people harshly, whoever they are...
 
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    No , but i mean who could you put a nation on trial ??
    what they mean by it will be based on Chapter VII ???
    There are people who are responsible for these things. What do you mean by putting a nation on trial, are all the Syrians guilty along with their houses, roads, trees, flowers and animals?

    There are also Lebanese people who are Syrian dogs that helped in what is going on, the will also be punished.

    yeah they are building a big prison in Africa at the moment, it is almost done, that's why it took all these time the trial to start, so they will put the 20 Million Syrians in Jail. :)
    :D
     

    Snoop

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    • 10 injured after bomb exploded in empty bus parked east of Beirut
    • Residential and industrial Bouchrieh suburb is Christian neighborhood
    • A string of bombs in and around Beirut have exploded since May 20
    • Clashes have spread to largest Palestinian refugee camp in the south


    BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) -- Clashes between Lebanese troops and Islamic militants have spread to Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp in the south, underlining the complexities the country faces in trying to defeat al Qaeda-inspired fighters who are battling a continuing army onslaught in a northern camp.

    Two Lebanese soldiers and a fighter were killed Monday in the clashes between the army and Jund al-Sham Islamic militants in the refugee camp of Ein el-Hilweh in Sidon, southern Lebanon.

    Palestinian factions have formed a security force to ease the tension, but a senior Fatah Islam commander in the northern Nahr el-Bared refugee camp pledged to take the battle to Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest refugee camp.

    The 16-days of fighting between the army and Fatah Islam have killed over 100 people, the worst internal violence since the end of the 1975-90 civil war.

    Since the fighting started, there has been a spate of bombings in and around Beirut -- including one Monday evening on an empty passenger bus in a Christian suburb that wounded 10 passers-by.

    In Nahr el-Bared near the northern port city of Tripoli, the army resumed its pounding of militant hideouts with artillery after sporadic exchanges earlier in the day, sending up plumes of black smoke. The military also rolled additional armor into Nahr el-Bared in an apparent bid to push deeper into the camp.

    The army has been blasting Fatah Islam positions since May 20, but scaled up its offensive Friday to crush the al Qaeda-inspired militants. The government has demanded that Fatah Islam surrender, but the militants have vowed to fight to death.

    Ten Lebanese soldiers have been killed at Nahr el-Bared and 44 others wounded since Friday, including four hurt by a mortar shell Monday, raising the army's death toll to 45 at Nahr el-Bared and two at Ein el-Hilweh. At least 20 civilians and about 60 militants have also been killed in the northern Lebanon fighting, but civilian casualties in the camp in the last four days were unknown. The International Red Cross on Monday evacuated a wounded civilian and 17 women and children who wished to leave the camp.

    The bombardment of Nahr el-Bared has angered Palestinians in some of Lebanon's 11 other refugee camps. It is believed that militants who attacked the army at Ein el-Hilweh were seeking to take the military pressure off their Fatah Islam allies.

    The trouble in Ein el-Hilweh began Sunday evening when Jund al-Sham militants began targeting army checkpoints surrounding the camp with rocket-propelled grenades and automatic rifles. Troops returned machine gun and cannon fire. Fighting picked up overnight and resumed briefly Monday morning.

    Two Lebanese soldiers were killed and five wounded in the clashes. One Jund al-Sham official was wounded, and several houses belonging to members of the group were burned down by army shells, Lebanese security and Palestinian officials said.

    On Monday, Palestinian police stood alongside Lebanese troops at the camp's entrance to prevent attacks. Secular Palestinian factions complained that Islamic groups were shielding the militants, and residents worried whether violence would resume.

    Residents who fled fighting Sunday evening returned briefly to the camp Monday to pick up a few belongings. Militiamen of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction hung out on the main street on the camp's northern edge, eyeing bearded gunmen standing in side-streets.

    "There's horror every day here -- bombs, shootings...," said Suzanne Ajawi, 26, who's nine months pregnant. She carried a plastic bag of baby clothes and milk.

    The Ein el-Hilweh clashes underscored the complexities of fighting militants in Palestinian refugee camps, where the crowded towns have become havens for extremists and criminals.

    The army does not enter Palestinian refugee camps under a nearly 40-year-old arrangement whereby Palestinians run their own affairs. Ein el-Hilweh, home to some 60,000, is notorious for its lawlessness, and neighborhoods are run by rival factions.

    Jund al-Sham, based in Ein el-Hilweh and believed to number in the dozens, has claimed responsibility or been blamed for a number of bombings and gunbattles, mainly in Lebanon and Syria.

    Fatah Islam's deputy leader on Monday pledged to spread the militant group's battle with the Lebanese army to Ein el-Hilweh.

    "Soon there will be an official statement in the name of Fatah Islam partisans, and we will start to see an expansion [of the fighting in the north], and there will be a similar military situation there [in Ein el-Hilweh]," Abu Hureira said by cellular phone from his hideout in Nahr el-Bared.

    Following a Cabinet meeting, Information Minister Ghazi Aridi said there was a "clear link" between the violence in Ein el-Hilweh and Nahr el-Bared.

    Most of Nahr el-Bared's 31,000 people have fled to a nearby camp.

    The U.N. Relief and Works Agency on Monday launched an appeal for $12.7 million to address the urgent needs of more than 27,000 Palestinian refugees displaced by the northern fighting.

    Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.






    another one :disagree:
     
    Oct 3, 2004
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    As we say in Lebanon, akhbar shi bi kharre.

    So now they've clashed in Ain Helwe down south. And the bomb in Bauchrieh, yet another Christian area.

    And again the country is divided:

    Opposition / Aoun / Nasrallah say they are for security, but the army is just bombing haphazardly and that they should be more tactical or strategic in their actions.

    Government says it's dealing with the situation in the best interests of security. At the same time Ouwet (Lebanese Forces) supporters / Guardian of the Cedars supporters are having a field day watching Palestinians die.

    I'm not trying to say I side with any of these. If anything, I do feel that the army are doing the best they can, they have to take tough action against these radicals because if there's ONE thing 100% Lebanese agree on is that there is NO PLACE for Fateh al Islam in our country. Those civilians have to get out of there...we have a ministry for the displaced, by the way, I don't know how much shelter facilities they have apart from putting families in schools.

    I really don't know what's in store for Lebanon...but what I'm really sure of is if/when there's a complete cease-fire, the car bombs are still going to fly off every other week.....:(
     
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    Wednesday, 6 June, 2007

    Beirut - The Lebanese army seized a truckload of weapons coming from Syria intended for use in new battle fronts to ease pressure on Fatah al-Islam militants locked up in fierce fighting with army troops


    trying to crush the terrorists entrenched inside the Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr al-Bared.

    The daily An Nahar on Wednesday said Lebanese authorities also discovered a depot containing more than 200 kilograms of explosives in house raids on suspected Fatah al-Islam militants in the northern Akkar province.

    Meanwhile, Lebanese troops maintained their siege of Nahr al-Bared for a 17th day, fighting on-again off-again gun-battles with militants on Wednesday.

    Security officials told the Associated Press the truckload of arms belonged to Hezbollah.

    They said the shipment of Grad rockets and ammunition for automatic rifles and machine guns was seized late Tuesday at a random army checkpoint at Douriss near Baalbek, a Hezbollah stronghold in east Lebanon's Bekaa valley.

    Six Hezbollah members in the truck were let go but the confiscated weapons were taken to the nearby Ablah army barracks, the officials said.

    There was no immediate comment from Hezbollah on the weapons' seizure.

    An Nahar said the truck driver, who was not identified, was arrested.

    It quoted witnesses on the scene as saying that the driver tried to turn away from the checkpoint after he was taken by surprise, but that military vehicles intercepted the truck and arrested the motorist.

    The shipment's destination was not known. But An Nahar said the arms cache was planned for use in warfronts to be opened elsewhere in Palestinian refugee camps after attempts to start a warfront at the southern refugee camp of Ein al-Helweh failed.

    Islamic militants in Ain al-Hilweh clashed with Lebanese troops on Sunday in an attempt to ease the military pressure on allied Fatah al-Islam guerrillas.

    But Palestinian factions swiftly met and formed a joint disengagement force to quell the Ein al-Helweh battles.

    Back to the explosives depot, An Nahar said the army and police carried out house raids after nightfall Tuesday on the villages of Ayyat and al-Borj in the al-Joumah area in Akkar.

    It said the explosives were found at the house of a suspected Fatah al-Islam militant detained four days ago.

    This is a second try for Hezbollah

    Under a U.N. Security Council resolution that halted last summer's fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, any transfer of weapons to groups other than the government is illegal.
    But the guerrilla leaders have boasted that they have replenished their stocks of rockets after the fighting.

    Hezbollah has urged the government to abide by its own policy, proclaimed in 2005, to support the "resistance" in the south - which is Lebanese shorthand for the guerrilla group.

    But the guerrillas has since November left the government along with its allies and joined the opposition seeking to topple the U.S.-backed prime minister, Fouad Siniora.

    In February, authorities seized a truck bringing military supplies for Hezbollah in a Beirut suburb. The group acknowledged the shipment was theirs and demanded it be returned but the government refused.

    Is Hezbollah siding with the terrorists?

    The big question on everyone’s mind Ahmad Yasseen, a local analyst told Ya Libnan : “Is Hezbollah siding with the terrorists? “. Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah last week warned the government not to enter the Nahr el Bared camp where the army is engaged with Fatah al Islam terrorists and trying to finish them off for the past 17 days. Nasrallah called entering the camp a “ red line” . Many anti Syrian March 14th politicians ridiculed Nasrallah for his “Red Line “. But the fact that Syria is the common denominator between Hezbollah and Fatah al Islam according to Yasseen , this has raised the question about Hezbollah position and whether it is siding with the terrorists to please Syria .

    Many analysts have criticized Hezbollah for not offering to help the army in its war on terror. One analyst Ali Hussein suggested : “ Hezbollah has a lot of experience in dealing with such warfare and should offer the army a helping hand . The way the battles are going, the army does not seem to need any help but it would have been a good gesture from Hezbollah , in showing allegiance to Lebanon”


    Sources : Naharnet , AP, Ya Libnan http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2007/06/lebanon_seizes_2.php
     

    Azzurri7

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    Government says it's dealing with the situation in the best interests of security. At the same time Ouwet (Lebanese Forces) supporters / Guardian of the Cedars supporters are having a field day watching Palestinians die.
    This is very dangerous what you said, try not to put salt and pepper, the situation is already about to explode and these kind of statements makes it worse.

    Just because you don't like Samir J, doesn't mean you spread these kind of things.

    And for your information Lebanese Forces leader Samir Jaajaa was the first one to make differences between Fateh Islam and Palestinians. and asked for people not to mix them.

    Just because you support Hezbollah doesn't mean you can go around and say something like this.

    People like you, with all honesty, are the ones that put benzina on problems to let it explode.

    I'm not trying to say I side with any of these. If anything, I do feel that the army are doing the best they can, they have to take tough action against these radicals because if there's ONE thing 100% Lebanese agree on is that there is NO PLACE for Fateh al Islam in our country.
    Tell that to Hasan Nasrallah who showed up last week to give some red lines to the Lebanese Army.


    Those civilians have to get out of there...we have a ministry for the displaced, by the way, I don't know how much shelter facilities they have apart from putting families in schools.
    Credits should go to the Lebanese Army here who helped 10's of thousands of refugees to leave that place when snipers were all over.
     
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    I understand and respect supporters of Hariri, Senioura, Aoun, Batrak, The Gemayels, Kamal Jounblatt, Arslan, Berri, Chamoun...at least they had some sort of vision. Not that my statement is trying to compare anyone.....

    But Samir G should be in jail because he is a criminal. And Walid Jounblatt has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. he's full of sh*t and he's so f*cking predictable it's so boring listening to him babble like a drunk parrot. I can't believe this guy actually has supporters! :disagree:

    As for my comments, maybe it's a hasty generalisation, but this is what I saw on Leb Forces forums and even on Facebook groups...See the "Lan yabka falasteeze 3ala ared loubnan" group. :rolleyes:

    I should have been objective though, and I'll tell you even on the Aounist forums on LFPM.ORG there's quite a few members there that believe the soldiers should clean out the camps killing every human in sight...

    As for some food for thought, check out this Daily Star article. (for those who don't know, it's Lebanon's leading English newspaper)

    28-05-2007
    Editorial: Nasrallah's overture deserves reciprocation, not reproach

    The knee-jerk reactions of several Lebanese leaders to Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah's most recent speech were so predictable that they could have been scripted months in advance. Progressive Socialist Party leader Walid Jumblatt, for example, slammed Nasrallah's remarks, saying that he had become a "mere tool" of the Syrian regime – a meaningless criticism which we have heard Jumblatt repeat in various forms for more than a year.

    The tendency of Lebanese leaders to dismiss their rivals as the pawns of outside powers suggests that the country is currently governed not by statesmen, but by a dangerous, habitual discourse. Although it is convenient for Lebanese leaders to discredit their opponents in this way, the fact remains that it is the Lebanese who are ultimately responsible for the state of affairs in this country. And if all of our leaders would reflect seriously on that key question that has been posed by both sides of the divide– "Where are you taking us?" – they would recognize that they have been leading us down the path of internal discord and fragmentation.

    Virtually all the members of the ruling coalition, much like the Western media, ignored the fact that Nasrallah at least tried to make a break from the dominant mode of discourse during his televised address to mark Resistance and Liberation Day. Nasrallah, who pointed out that "no one can delete the other from the political map of this country," called for the creation of an emergency unity government to shepherd the country through its current crises.This statement marked both a recognition of the gravity of the situation that the country is facing and a willingness to act responsibly. It also represented a departure from what has until now been an uncompromising stance on the part of the opposition with regard to its demands for either a certain number of Cabinet seats or early elections.

    Nasrallah has essentially extended an olive branch to his rivals and his idea of an emergency unity government is one that should be received positively, both by the ruling coalition and by other members of the opposition.The idea will of course need to be expanded upon, and the two camps will need to agree on a predetermined time period in which this government will operate, as well as an agenda of specific issues that it will address, including the security crisis and the passage of a new electoral law.

    Regardless of whatever any local leaders say, it is not the Syrians or the Iranians or the Americans or the French who will decide the destiny of this country: The fate of Lebanon remains in the hands of the Lebanese.

    And the sooner Lebanese leaders take responsibility for their country and begin acting like statesmen, the sooner they can begin devising homegrown solutions to the multiple crises we are facing.
     

    Boudz

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    And for your information Lebanese Forces leader Samir Jaajaa was the first one to make differences between Fateh Islam and Palestinians. and asked for people not to mix them.
    That is true, doesnt mean i like him. he's a murderer, we shall never forget that
     

    Azzurri7

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    I understand and respect supporters of Hariri, Senioura, Aoun, Batrak, The Gemayels, Kamal Jounblatt, Arslan, Berri, Chamoun...at least they had some sort of vision. Not that my statement is trying to compare anyone.....
    Too bad Hezbollah and the rest of the oppositions dont agree with you. They accuse Sanyoura being a thief, the same they did to Rafik (bless his soul) before he got assasinated, thanks to Media that were under syrian control and people were too soft to believe all these propaganda.

    Btw, AyreSlan shouldn't between the likes of Gemayels, Jounblatt and Hariri etc. You're insulting them by putting such a name. He's just like Wiaam Wahab.

    But Samir G should be in jail because he is a criminal. And Walid Jounblatt has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. he's full of sh*t and he's so f*cking predictable it's so boring listening to him babble like a drunk parrot. I can't believe this guy actually has supporters! :disagree:
    Samir G, whether you like it or not, is the most patriotic Lebanese leader between them all. Before being sent to jail he refused to work under the syrian regime early 90's, thats one of the reasons he entered jail. He also refused to leave Lebanon. I consider him as a legend, a great leader with great charisma.

    Without the likes of Samir G and Bachir Palestinians would have made a country inside a country. Incase you didnt know that.

    As for my comments, maybe it's a hasty generalisation, but this is what I saw on Leb Forces forums and even on Facebook groups...See the "Lan yabka falasteeze 3ala ared loubnan" group. :rolleyes:
    Just like there Lebanese are people who dislikes Palestinians, the same goes with Palestinians who dislikes Lebanese. No one can deny that.

    But you shouldn't really add salt and pepper to it and say Lebanese Forces are happy to see Palestinians die. As if there isn't any Palestinians that are happy to see Lebanese Army dying this way. Please.
     

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    That is true, doesnt mean i like him. he's a murderer, we shall never forget that
    You don't like him because he continued what Bachir Gmayel was doing, and that is not allowing Yasser Arrafat and his people to make a country inside a country. If I was a Palestinian I would have probably felt the same way like you. But since I'm Lebanese, I don't. I'm glad he stood up against Palestinians who tried to turn Lebanon into Palestine.

    Anway, just like Samir G killed many during the war before, so did Nabih Berre, Hassan Nasrallah, Michel Aoun, George Hawi, Elie Hbayka, Walid beck. Everyone participated in the Lebanese war. so get your facts really.
     

    ReBeL

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    Just like there Lebanese are people who dislikes Palestinians, the same goes with Palestinians who dislikes Lebanese. No one can deny that.

    But you shouldn't really add salt and pepper to it and say Lebanese Forces are happy to see Palestinians die. As if there isn't any Palestinians that are happy to see Lebanese Army dying this way. Please.
    To me, Lebanese army is not the same as the Lebanese Forces. I'm neutral against the army, but I can't be neutral against the forces. I know Lebanese people suffered because of the stupid acts of some palestinians, but I don't think that the acts of Lebanese forces were justified at all. At least, they could do without targeting civilians.
     

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    To me, Lebanese army is not the same as the Lebanese Forces. I'm neutral against the army, but I can't be neutral against the forces. I know Lebanese people suffered because of the stupid acts of some palestinians, but I don't think that the acts of Lebanese forces were justified at all. At least, they could do without targeting civilians.
    I understand what you mean Reb. But everything was just a mess during that time.

    And Christians in Lebanon were suffering alot from the Palestinians before Bachir Gmayel started his forces. Horrible things were Abu Ammar fighters doing in Beirut not even mind would recognize that. Specially when it comes to raping women and killing children.

    It's the same what Palestinians in Palestine feels towards Israeli Army If not worse what was happening in Lebanon.
     

    Snoop

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    And Christians in Lebanon were suffering alot from the Palestinians before Bachir Gmayel started his forces. Horrible things were Abu Ammar fighters doing in Beirut not even mind would recognize that. Specially when it comes to raping women and killing children.
    Guess who saved them :p
     
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    Well, more bad news from Lebanon. Walid Eido, March 14 member (pro Hariri) was killed in a blast yesterday along with his son and another person that was with them.

    The explosion was next to Nejmeh Football Club training ground (club with Lebanon's largest fan base). Two players died, one from the senior team and the other is from the U-21 (he was 19)

    R.I.P to all the victims. This is terrible terrible news...:disagree:

    I'm not trying to disrespect the dead or anything or criticise him...just little bit about him:

    Walid Eido was very vocally anti-Syrian. He was a lawyer, and part of Lebanese commission of national defense. (رئيس لجنة الدفاع الوطني والداخلية والبلديات و عضو في لجنة الإدارة والعدل. ) is what it's called in Arabic...not sure how to translate that.

    He was very outspoken, to the extent that during the 2006 war he claimed he'd sell his blood to buy arms for the Leb Army in order to destroy Hezballah. (not that this quote is any reason to point fingers)

    Primary suspect is Syria, using Fateh al Islam as the "Hitman".

    May all their souls R.I.P. Nobody deserves to get killed for what they believe in...

    If we pause to think about the political killings against Anti-Syrian members, with the usual rhetoric of Lebanese officials blaming Syria...while Syria deny ANY involvement.

    It's pathetic...because in the end, we NEVER find out who did it. NEVER.

    :disagree:
     
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    Did anyone notice any pattern here?

    The majority of the deputees were pro-Hariri. This means that Michel Aoun can only dream of sitting on the chair. What has happened now, I guess the majority are on the Hezballa/Tayyar side giving him all the chances to become the next president. Plus his announcement the past years that he doesn't want the presidency (bikill tawado3....ahhleeeeeeeen) and then running for presidency is the icing on the cake. Ayre bmanzaro b ayre.
     
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    Did anyone notice any pattern here?

    The majority of the deputees were pro-Hariri. This means that Michel Aoun can only dream of sitting on the chair. What has happened now, I guess the majority are on the Hezballa/Tayyar side giving him all the chances to become the next president. Plus his announcement the past years that he doesn't want the presidency (bikill tawado3....ahhleeeeeeeen) and then running for presidency is the icing on the cake. Ayre bmanzaro b ayre.
    Ok...what does Aoun have to do with that?

    He clearly condemned such a murder claiming that he does not wish a terrible fate like that to any of his opponents.
     

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    Jack my man you hit the nail.

    Since International Trial is starting no matter what that serial killer will try to do, he'll always have a 2nd plan.

    When they assasinated Pierre Gmayel (RIP) Emil Lahoud refused to sign for the gov to put someone else instead of Pierre. This means that the majority 14march lost a minister. This will give the oppositons (who are financed by syria aka Hezbollah) a good step.

    On the other hand, since the President issue is getting soo close, and since 14march are by margins and miles ahead of 8march(syrians followers) in the Parliament members, Bashar Assad is trying to play a diff game now, killing the Parliament members they succeed, Walid Eedo yesterday was a well done mission for them.

    Another 7 members from the Parliament and Hezbollah and all syrian followers willl be even with the 14march, this means that syrian followers can choose a president for them that of course will be set by the syrian regime.


    Wael Abu Faour, Ghatas Khoure, Botros Hareb are really in danger. God bless them and protect them.
     

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