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    It is interesting but his point of view is somehow black or white. He says that if we don't respect Hezballa then we are supporting the US and Israel's tyranny just to live.

    I am not sure there is such a group of people, I for one, even though I don't live there, would like it in another way. I don't want interference from anyone. What the fuck do they all want from a country that is 10452 km2? I don't want to sign alliance with Israel but I neither want them to interfere with me nor I want (or any group in my country) to interfere or do with them. At the same time I want the same behaviour with Syria.

    We have been in alliance with Syria since I was born and all I've seen is damage, killings, theft and above all control. We have been in war with Israel for I don't know how long and all I've seen is damage and killings. I am not satisfied with either and the solution is not either-or, rather neither-nor. I want to operate by myself and I know the Lebanese mind is able to do it. Without disrespect to anyone but our country holds the most educated and cultured among all the neighbouring countries.

    When I say I don't want Hezballa being armed, it does not at all mean I am welcoming US troops to come in an disarm Hezballa. And that is not the only solution but some people are making look like this.
     

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    It is interesting but his point of view is somehow black or white. He says that if we don't respect Hezballa then we are supporting the US and Israel's tyranny just to live.

    I am not sure there is such a group of people, I for one, even though I don't live there, would like it in another way. I don't want interference from anyone. What the fuck do they all want from a country that is 10452 km2? I don't want to sign alliance with Israel but I neither want them to interfere with me nor I want (or any group in my country) to interfere or do with them. At the same time I want the same behaviour with Syria.

    We have been in alliance with Syria since I was born and all I've seen is damage, killings, theft and above all control. We have been in war with Israel for I don't know how long and all I've seen is damage and killings. I am not satisfied with either and the solution is not either-or, rather neither-nor. I want to operate by myself and I know the Lebanese mind is able to do it. Without disrespect to anyone but our country holds the most educated and cultured among all the neighbouring countries.

    When I say I don't want Hezballa being armed, it does not at all mean I am welcoming US troops to come in an disarm Hezballa. And that is not the only solution but some people are making look like this.

    As much as i hate to say it, but the idea of self-determination is a myth or at best rhetoric used to sway public opinion in the "great game". And what YOU want and the realities on the ground rarely ever coincide. In other words, and especially with the current leadership, Lebanon will always have foreign interference.

    As for what finkelstein is referring to; it is a concept as old as war but the brits made it famous thorough their "Gunboat Diplomacy". It's basically human psychology on the foreign policy level.
     
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    I totally agree that it is a myth, this is why I have developed a great disgust to all politicians in Lebanon regardless of their orientation, religion or beliefs. I am also starting to develop hate towards the people who think they can change something by going and cheering to politicians. Haven't they realized that this has never got them anywhere and it never will?

    And Finkelstein? :D I have to associate this name with Dharma's dad every time.
     
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    Beirut- Protesters from the Hezbollah-led opposition clashed with supporters of Lebanon's U.S.-backed government Wednesday as a strike by the Shiite militant group paralyzed large parts of the capital Beirut.




    The violence deepened tensions in a country already mired in a 17-month-old political crisis pitting the Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hezbollah against the government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora. The troubles have left the country without a president since November.

    The strike was called by labor unions after they rejected a last-minute pay raise offer by the government as insufficient. But instead it turned into a showdown between Hezbollah and the government.

    The clashes began when government and opposition supporters in a Muslim sector of Beirut exchanged insults and began throwing stones at each other. Witnesses said security forces intervened and gunshots were heard, apparently troops firing in the air to disperse the crowds.

    A cameraman for Hezbollah's Al-Manar television station was hit by a stone in the forehead, the state-run National News Agency reported. A soldier also was hit in the mouth by a stone.

    Earlier in the same area, a stun grenade thrown into a crowd lightly injured three protesters and two soldiers, the agency said. It was not immediately clear who threw the stun grenade.

    Around the city, protesters blocked roads with burning tires, dirt, old cars and garbage cans to protest against government economic policies and demand pay raises.

    The protests and labor strike paralyzed Beirut international airport. Airport employees stopped working for six hours while opposition protesters blocked roads to the country's only air facility leading to the cancellation or delay of 19 incoming and 13 outgoing flights.

    The unrest and roadblocks forced labor unions to cancel the main public demonstration planned to coincide with the strike.

    Lebanon's political crisis took a turn for the worse this week when the government decided to confront the powerful Hezbollah. The Cabinet on Tuesday said it would remove Beirut airport's security chief over alleged ties to Hezbollah.

    The government also declared that a telecommunications network used by Hezbollah for military purposes was illegal and a danger to state security.

    Hezbollah and Shiite leaders rejected the government's decisions, raising tensions ahead of the planned labor strike.

    Hezbollah is listed as a terrorist group by the United States. It has fought Israel for more than two decades, most recently in the 2006 summer war, and enjoys wide support among Lebanon's 1.2 million Shiites who are believed to be the country's largest sect.

    The political crisis has exacerbated the country's economic problems. Rising oil prices and a weakening U.S. dollar, the favored currency here, have driven up the cost of living.

    Just as the country is divided politically into opposition and pro-government camps, the unions were split as well on whether to support the strike. In Shiite sectors of the city where Hezbollah support is high, the strike was widely observed, with most businesses closed and streets empty.

    In areas where government support is strong, some businesses were open but many people stayed off the streets and traffic was lighter than usual amid a heavy army presence.

    Many schools throughout the city were closed because there was no busing for fear of unrest on the roads.

    Roads to the Beirut seaport also were blocked.

    The U.S. Embassy advised Americans to avoid areas where protests were going, to take "reasonable" security precautions and maintain a low profile in public.



    Lebanese soldiers stand guard, foreground, as opposition activists burn tires during a protest in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, May 7, 2008. Hezbollah-led opposition protesters blocked streets in central Beirut and on the road to the international airport Wednesday to enforce an anti-government labor strike that has turned into a showdown between the militant Shiite group and the democratically elected government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora



    Lebanese soldiers stand by burning tires during a protest in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, May 7, 2008.



    Opposition activists burn a car during a protest called by labor unions in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, May 7, 2008. Supporters of Lebanon's Hezbollah-led opposition blocked roads with burning tires and paralyzed the airport in the capital Beirut Wednesday to enforce a strike against the democratically elected government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora



    A car burns as opposition activists try to block roads during a protest in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, May 7, 2008
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    An opposition protester holds a gasoline bottle as he stands near a burning car during a protest called by labor unions in Beirut, Lebanon, Wednesday, May 7, 2008.
     
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    By Abu Kais,
    From Beirut to the Beltway
    Beirut - The Hizbullah militia and its supporters spent a good part of the day terrorizing Beirut citizens, blocking major roads, and dumping dirt along the airport road, blocking access to the airport.

    Flights to and from Beirut's Rafik Hariri airport have been canceled.

    Hooligans on motorcycles are touring Beirut neighborhoods, throwing insults and beating residents. Clashes between Hizbullah/Amal and March 14 supporters erupted in several mixed neighborhoods in the city.

    The media is reporting heavy gunfire and use of rocket propelled grenades. The pro-Hizbullah labor unions, meanwhile, have called off today's strike, which LBC said, quoting government sources, was used by Hizbullah as an excuse for unleashing violence and exact revenge after Monday's cabinet decision to crack down on Hizbullah's spy network in the country.

    LBC is reporting that Hizbullah will not re-open the airport road. Berri and Hizbullah have reportedly asked the government to reinstate the pro-Hizbullah airport security chief in return for ending their riots and occupation of the airport road.

    The army is saying that it will "choose the right time" to re-open the road.

    Wafiq Choukair, the pro-Hizbullah airport security chief fired by the government, is reporting to work as usual and refusing to relinquish his post.

    LBC is still airing Ministry of Tourism spots promoting tourism in Lebanon, some calling Lebanon a "safe destination". One spot shows families reuniting at the airport.

    With Hizbullah in de-facto occupation of the airport, those of us with families in Lebanon will have to wait until someone puts an end to Nasrallah's terrorism. The outlaw is scheduled to give a press conference from some hole in the ground tomorrow.
     
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    Beirut - Even though the event was supposed to be a labor protest for higher wages, Hezbollah used the event for violence and riots to bring down the government, according to eyewitnesses at the scene of the protests.

    One witness said: "It appears that Hezbollah was prepared right from the beginning to steal the show from the unions and inflict maximum damage to the government."

    Hezbollah later confirmed what the witness said. In an interview with an Iranian news agency a Hezbollah spokesman said we are going to open the gates of hell to this government

    At 6:35 am Hezbollah-led Demonstrators started their protest by burning tires in the Hezbollah predominantly controlled areas of Ouzai, Qassqass, airport road.

    At about the same time other protesters closed Salim Salam bridge, Shatilla area with stolen cars and Hezbollah protesters in of the tents city in downtown Beirut closed the ring overpass.

    The Hezbollah protesters on the airport road closed the airport road with burning tires
    The closure of the Beirut airport led to cancellation of 32 incoming and outgoing flights.

    As this was taking place tension developed in the Sunni areas of Abu Haidar, Bashoura and Salim Salam between the Hezbollah-led protesters and the pro government supporters

    While all this was going on the situation was normal in Ashrafiyeh, Baabda, Jbeil, Kesrouan, Metn, Aley, the Chouf mountains and Zahle which did not participate in the strike or demonstrations .The same in Batroun and Zghorta provinces where roads and schools remained open.

    Between 7:00 am and 8:00am Hezbollah-led protesters including masked men:
    - Closed Corniche Mazraa thoroughfare with garbage containers
    - Closed Sultan Ibrahim and Marriott Hotel roads
    - Closed Tiro-Shweifat road with burning tires
    - Closed Zahrani road in south Lebanon
    - Closed Salim Salam Bridge and the Kuwaiti embassy roundabout
    - Closed Khalde road
    - Closed Douris road in Baalbek
    - Closed Shtoura road in Beqaa region

    At around 8:40 am protesters tossed a hand grenade on Corniche Mazraa road, wounding three people and two army soldiers.

    About 100 demonstrators then came out of the Barbir area and headed towards the entrances to Mar Elias street and started burning tires.

    Other protesters closed the Beirut International Airport road.

    At this point a meeting of the General Federation of Labor Unions (GFLU) headed by Ghassan Ghosn was held discuss the fate of the demonstration that was due to take place at 10 am.

    At 10:30 am The GFLU union called off the demonstration that was due to take place at 10 am.

    At around 11:00 am clashes erupted in Ras el-Nabaa between supporters of March 14 Forces and the opposition but the Lebanese army intervened and ended the clash.

    At 11:20 am Ghassan Ghosn held a press conference to explain reasons behind calling off the demonstration. He accused the government of dividing the workers in order to prevent them from taking part in today's strike. He said the government did not approve a suitable pay raise.

    Ghosn said the demonstration was scheduled to take off from Barbir past Mar Elias all the way down to Hamra street in west Beirut. He accused authorities of failing to provide protection for demonstrators which led to "suspending" the demonstration

    Ghosn added that even though the strike was suspended, he plans to meet again to set another date for the demonstration/strike, prior to ending his news conference at around 11:30 am.

    * Confrontation intensified between pro-government supporters and Hezbollah-led opposition supporters in Corniche Mazraa. Lebanese army troops fired in the air to disperse the demonstrators.
    * Pro-government supporters and opposition members tossed stones at each other in Corniche Mazraa and army troops, trying to disperse the antagonists, were caught in the fight
    * Heavy bursts of gunfire was reported in Nwairi neighborhood
    * There were reports of gunfire in Mazraa region
    * Clashes erupted in Museitbeh between members of Amal and the Progressive Socialist Party
    * Al Mustaqbal movement office in Nwairi was targeted by grenades and gunshots
    * Gunfire was heard in the area of Beirut Arab University-Cola district
    * Rocket Propelled Grenades destroyed Al Mustaqbal movement offices in Nwairi and three wounded
    * Lebanese Security forces intervened and contained clashes in Wata Museitbeh area
    *

    At approximately 3:00 pm:

    * The airport road was opened by the army
    * Flights from and into Beirut airport resumed
    * At 3:30 fighting resumed in Mazraa region
    * Almustaqbal supporters in Beqaa threatened to come to Beirut after learning that their offices in Nwairi was targeted by grenades and gunshots but their leader MP Saad Hariri urged calm and restraint
    *

    Reaction to the violence

    Most Lebanese blamed Hezbollah for the violence. Samir Geagea, leader of the Lebanese Forces, said Hezbollah has become like the Mahdi army in Iraq, in reference to the Muqtada al Sadr militia.

    MP Akram Shehayyeb a member of the Progressive Socialist Party, said Hezbollah is no longer a resistance movement, it is officially a militia now.

    MP Henri Helo said, what happened today was extremely dangerous and will have long term repercussions.

    In an interview with an Iranian news agency a Hezbollah spokesman said, what happened today is just the beginning, and much more is coming. We are going to open the gates of hell to this government.
     
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    Beirut, Lebanon - Hezbollah isolated itself further on Wednesday when internal sources revealed that the militia no longer considers the Lebanese Army an ally, claiming they have joined the enemy.

    Hezbollah has issued an internal memorandum to its party members noting increased provocation against the resistance and the cover some Lebanese factions are providing to any possible Israeli aggression on Lebanon.

    "Hezbollah's enemies have seen signals of weakness in the party's decision not to retaliate yet to the assassination of Imad Mugniyah, and this might encourage Israel and its Lebanese allies to come up with a new adventure. Media reports have been focusing lately on Hezbollah's activities in establishing military bases. This is also part of the provocation against the resistance," the memorandum said.

    The source also told the Kuwaiti daily As-Seyassah that Hezbollah no longer has good relations with the Lebanese army.

    "Members of an official security service that is allied with March 14 have been talking about the cameras placed near airport runway 17 for several weeks. When the cameras were discovered, the information was released through the defense minister, and the Army Intelligence Services confirmed it. This means that the historical close relationship between the Lebanese army and the resistance is over for good. The military institution has taken sides with the other party," the source said.

    The internal memorandum also said that an Israeli report has confirmed Hezbollah's suspicion that a PSP official was involved in Mugniyah's assassination.

    "Hezbollah called on its officials to take security measures and move into secondary residences. It also called on its members to be prepared for any scenario," the source added.

    He also said that the present campaign against Hezbollah is more dangerous than the 2006 July War. "Internal factions are participating in this campaign, and as the number of our allies has decreased, so has their readiness to provide the party with a political cover, especially since the FPM, headed by MP Michel Aoun, has become inefficient on the Christian level. The same is true of Hezbollah's Sunni allies."

    "Thus, Hezbollah will be more or less alone in the coming confrontation," he added.
     
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    Well isn't it obvious that Hezballa want the good for Lebanon? Just when the situation has been calm for a while and people booked their flights to Lebanon, Mr. Nasralla zabri decides that the country is his. I would really like to hear the opinion of those who support those infidel bastards.
     

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    Well isn't it obvious that Hezballa want the good for Lebanon? Just when the situation has been calm for a while and people booked their flights to Lebanon, Mr. Nasralla zabri decides that the country is his. I would really like to hear the opinion of those who support those infidel bastards.
    Hezballa don't want what's best for Lebanon. They just like hiding behind Lebanon's people.
     
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    Hezballa don't want what's best for Lebanon. They just like hiding behind Lebanon's people.
    I know, don't tell me that, tell it to those who believe they are "fighting" for a good cause. The are just destroying our image and at the same time destroying the country. They turned Downtown Beirut, one of the nicest city centers I've been to, into a trash bin.
     

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    Jack! There won't be solution in Lebanon I am afraid, Shi3as are now 50%, Sunnis 30% and Christians 20%. These numbers could be wrong thou, but it's not that away from the real one. And Hizbollah represent the half, and we know how strong they are. Allah y3inkon.
     

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    I know, don't tell me that, tell it to those who believe they are "fighting" for a good cause. The are just destroying our image and at the same time destroying the country. They turned Downtown Beirut, one of the nicest city centers I've been to, into a trash bin.
    Oh I do. It is a shame Hezballa is ruining Lebanon for selfish reasons.
     

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