The Lebanese political crisis!!! (17 Viewers)
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I'd like to put things into perspective on Nasrallah's speech.
On February 12 Imad Mughniya, a senior Hezballah-personnel, formerly a militia man eventually became an undercover agent plotting many of Hezballah's retaliations against the USA and Israel. He's not a terrorist in the sense where he sought to kill innocents for the hell of it - on the contrary he was merely doing what the rest of the Arab countries were not: Standing up for anti-Zionist cause and injustice that took place in Palestine and Lebanon.
Let's rewind the past, I dunno six, eight...twelve months? - Gaza - Palestine.
I'm sure I don't need to describe to you what's going on. I won't go on about Israel this and Israel that. What about Egypt? Despite recently showing some Arab pride in the African Cup of Nations triumph; I am ashamed to mention Hosni Mubarak - the sell out, the traitor, the filtly cold-hearted bastard -
There is no bread, no running water, no food, no medicine, no "ongoing life" taking place in Gaza. Rockets are falling on their homes. What does Egypt do to support the Palestinians? They close their borders. I'll say that again. Egypt, in theory, are supposed to HELP their Arab brothers, who are starving and are fleeing their homes.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/614640B7-6544-4CEA-9373-8F29232E5900.htm
Moving on to Israel now -
How come for 59 years (in May Israel will celebrate 60 years of existence) Israel hasn't abided by a SINGLE UN Resolution? (except 425 in Lebanon, and even that hasn't been fulfilled with their presence in Shebaa Farms, and Kfar Shouba)
How come Palestinian territory keeps on shrinking since 1948, while the Arab world just sits and watches?? (remember these words, because I will point out which person is NOT sitting and watching it happen...)
How come, that in the agreed boundaries (the orange part in the map) Israel continues to build settlements, continues to build WALLS sealing off the area, continues bulldoze and bombard Palestinian homes at their own will, yet none of the Arabs have done ANYTHING about it?
So please explain to me - is it justified when Israelis and Americans sell the Arab image to the world that Palestinians are terrorists? Please, give me a logical explanation as to how Palestinians are terrorists.
Fatah, Hamas, Al Aqsa Brigade, PLFP, PLO...you name it, they may have disagreed, they may have disbanded, hell they even fought with each other. But at the end of the day, they had one common goal, and that is a COUNTRY. That is all they wanted.
Enter Lebanon.
And so our beautiful green mountains of Marjayoun, to Aita el Shaab, to Tyre, to Qana (where Jesus turned water into wine), to Kfar Kila, to Bint Jbayl, to Khiyam........turned into the project of Eretz Israel i.e. Greater Israel. As a result, Hezballah was born. True they were a bunch of militia men, but as their faith is strong - like Al Imam Hussein (AS), God's Martyr died 1400 years ago against the tyranny of the Ummayad Dynasty in the great battle of Kerbala - the brave warriors of the Islamic Resistance i.e. Hezballah sought to fight this tyranny, and rid our lands from the savage Zionist expansionism that was like a cancer in our beautiful country. And ask ANYONE who's been to the south of Lebanon, that land is worth fighting for because I can tell you it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
Dialogue has been tried and tested with Israel. What has it brought Egypt or Jordan? Half the Egyptians are starving, they're all here in Dubai and Kuwait. Hell they're even in making better salaries in Lebanon! What about Jordan? Same story, they're all here in the Gulf. Likewise Lebanon, especially after July 2006.
South Lebanon was going to become another Gaza, they were going to build walls, and declare it a part of Norther Israeli territory. FACT: During the 1990s Lebanese villagers were forced to learn Hebrew and use Shekel currency, if that's not occupation to establish your Israeli identity...simple logic.
Back to Nasrallah's speech.
I will just highlight his key points
- He told Israel, so you decided to kill one our men...OUTSIDE Lebanon? Fine, then if you want to make this a regional war, so be it. Within minutes Israeli embassies around the world heightened their security measures.
- Hezballah will retaliate. (Gandhi may have said an eye for an eye and we all go blind. - my comment) But did Israel SERIOUSLY think that Hezballah were gonna sit on this and say, "Uh...Ok. Fine...we got the message." All Israeli parliament members/ministers/diplomats better watch their asses.
- And the big shocker was, "If you want a war, then we're ready. We're ready to destroy Israel's existence and change the fate of this region completely" (not exact phrase but something along those lines).
Let's see, what did Kind Abdullah give to George W. Bush to honor him? Hmmm....a golden sword. I'm trying to think what did Dubya do to merit such a prestigious gift? Fuck up Iraq? Pay Israel to destroy Palestine and Lebanon?
Arab solidarity my ass.
Sayid Hassan Nasrallah is the only true and honorable Arab Leader.
His legacy lives on, and Lebanon retains its honor which is something petrodollar generated wealth of billions cannot buy.
Good night.
On February 12 Imad Mughniya, a senior Hezballah-personnel, formerly a militia man eventually became an undercover agent plotting many of Hezballah's retaliations against the USA and Israel. He's not a terrorist in the sense where he sought to kill innocents for the hell of it - on the contrary he was merely doing what the rest of the Arab countries were not: Standing up for anti-Zionist cause and injustice that took place in Palestine and Lebanon.
Let's rewind the past, I dunno six, eight...twelve months? - Gaza - Palestine.
I'm sure I don't need to describe to you what's going on. I won't go on about Israel this and Israel that. What about Egypt? Despite recently showing some Arab pride in the African Cup of Nations triumph; I am ashamed to mention Hosni Mubarak - the sell out, the traitor, the filtly cold-hearted bastard -
There is no bread, no running water, no food, no medicine, no "ongoing life" taking place in Gaza. Rockets are falling on their homes. What does Egypt do to support the Palestinians? They close their borders. I'll say that again. Egypt, in theory, are supposed to HELP their Arab brothers, who are starving and are fleeing their homes.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/614640B7-6544-4CEA-9373-8F29232E5900.htm
Moving on to Israel now -
How come for 59 years (in May Israel will celebrate 60 years of existence) Israel hasn't abided by a SINGLE UN Resolution? (except 425 in Lebanon, and even that hasn't been fulfilled with their presence in Shebaa Farms, and Kfar Shouba)
How come Palestinian territory keeps on shrinking since 1948, while the Arab world just sits and watches?? (remember these words, because I will point out which person is NOT sitting and watching it happen...)
How come, that in the agreed boundaries (the orange part in the map) Israel continues to build settlements, continues to build WALLS sealing off the area, continues bulldoze and bombard Palestinian homes at their own will, yet none of the Arabs have done ANYTHING about it?
So please explain to me - is it justified when Israelis and Americans sell the Arab image to the world that Palestinians are terrorists? Please, give me a logical explanation as to how Palestinians are terrorists.
Fatah, Hamas, Al Aqsa Brigade, PLFP, PLO...you name it, they may have disagreed, they may have disbanded, hell they even fought with each other. But at the end of the day, they had one common goal, and that is a COUNTRY. That is all they wanted.
Enter Lebanon.
And so our beautiful green mountains of Marjayoun, to Aita el Shaab, to Tyre, to Qana (where Jesus turned water into wine), to Kfar Kila, to Bint Jbayl, to Khiyam........turned into the project of Eretz Israel i.e. Greater Israel. As a result, Hezballah was born. True they were a bunch of militia men, but as their faith is strong - like Al Imam Hussein (AS), God's Martyr died 1400 years ago against the tyranny of the Ummayad Dynasty in the great battle of Kerbala - the brave warriors of the Islamic Resistance i.e. Hezballah sought to fight this tyranny, and rid our lands from the savage Zionist expansionism that was like a cancer in our beautiful country. And ask ANYONE who's been to the south of Lebanon, that land is worth fighting for because I can tell you it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
Dialogue has been tried and tested with Israel. What has it brought Egypt or Jordan? Half the Egyptians are starving, they're all here in Dubai and Kuwait. Hell they're even in making better salaries in Lebanon! What about Jordan? Same story, they're all here in the Gulf. Likewise Lebanon, especially after July 2006.
South Lebanon was going to become another Gaza, they were going to build walls, and declare it a part of Norther Israeli territory. FACT: During the 1990s Lebanese villagers were forced to learn Hebrew and use Shekel currency, if that's not occupation to establish your Israeli identity...simple logic.
Back to Nasrallah's speech.
I will just highlight his key points
- He told Israel, so you decided to kill one our men...OUTSIDE Lebanon? Fine, then if you want to make this a regional war, so be it. Within minutes Israeli embassies around the world heightened their security measures.
- Hezballah will retaliate. (Gandhi may have said an eye for an eye and we all go blind. - my comment) But did Israel SERIOUSLY think that Hezballah were gonna sit on this and say, "Uh...Ok. Fine...we got the message." All Israeli parliament members/ministers/diplomats better watch their asses.
- And the big shocker was, "If you want a war, then we're ready. We're ready to destroy Israel's existence and change the fate of this region completely" (not exact phrase but something along those lines).
Let's see, what did Kind Abdullah give to George W. Bush to honor him? Hmmm....a golden sword. I'm trying to think what did Dubya do to merit such a prestigious gift? Fuck up Iraq? Pay Israel to destroy Palestine and Lebanon?
Arab solidarity my ass.
Sayid Hassan Nasrallah is the only true and honorable Arab Leader.
His legacy lives on, and Lebanon retains its honor which is something petrodollar generated wealth of billions cannot buy.
Good night.
You know something, one last word before I go to sleep...
The French, who are considered the "founders of ettiquette" the "icons of human civility" - after World War II, killed their own traitors who collaborated with the Nazis. Not a single one was spared.
The "terroristic-savage" Hezballah know of many Lebanese collaborators, yet never did anything about them. We just have a list of their names on a plaque in Khiyam (village in the south) to show everyone who the traitors are.
Nasrallah never demanded their return...and never will. They're not worth it.
Just an FYI...
The French, who are considered the "founders of ettiquette" the "icons of human civility" - after World War II, killed their own traitors who collaborated with the Nazis. Not a single one was spared.
The "terroristic-savage" Hezballah know of many Lebanese collaborators, yet never did anything about them. We just have a list of their names on a plaque in Khiyam (village in the south) to show everyone who the traitors are.
Nasrallah never demanded their return...and never will. They're not worth it.
Just an FYI...
Well, I don't know how he is doing internally with other Lebanese people and I can't judge his local achievements, but what I like about him is that he does what he promises his people to do when speaking about Zionists. Some members here may refuse my opinion, but I think he could make a kind of balance of powers to protect his country from their main enemy's continuous attacks.
now this I find hard to believe 
Recent research by the British historian Simon Kitson has shown that France did not wait until the Liberation to begin pursuing Nazi collaborators. The Vichy government, itself heavily engaged in collaboration, arrested around 2000 individuals on charges of passing information to the Germans. Their reasons for doing so was to centralise collaboration to ensure that the state maintained a monopoly in Franco-German relations and to defend sovereignty so that France may negotiate from a position of strength. As Kitson has shown the government engaged in many compromises along the way.[5]
After the liberation, France was briefly swept by a wave of executions of suspected collaborators. Women who were suspected of having romantic liaisons with Germans, or more often of being German prostitutes, were publicly humiliated by having their heads shaved. Those who had engaged in the black market were also stigmatized as "war profiteers" (profiteurs de guerre), and popularly called "BOF" (Beurre Oeuf Fromage, or Butter Eggs Cheese, because of the products sold at outrageous prices during the Occupation). However, the Provisional Government of the French Republic (GPRF, 1944-46) quickly reestablished order, and brought Collaborationists before the courts. Many convicted Collaborationists were then amnestied under the Fourth Republic (1946-54), while some civil servants, such as Maurice Papon, succeeding in holding important functions even under Charles de Gaulle and the Fifth Republic (195.
Three different periods are distinguished by historians:[citation needed]
the first phase of popular convictions (épuration sauvage): executions without judgments and shaving of women's heads. Estimations by police prefects made in 1948 and 1952 counted as much as 6,000 executions before the Liberation, and 4,000 afterwards.[citation needed]
the second phase (legal epuration or épuration légale), which began with Charles de Gaulle's June 26 and June 27, 1944 ordonnances on epuration (de Gaulle's first ordonnance instituting Commissions of epuration was enacted on August 18, 1943) : judgments of Collaborationists by the Commissions d'épuration, who condemned approximatively 120,000 persons (Charles Maurras, leader of the royalist Action française, condemned to life sentence on January 25, 1945, etc.), including 1,500 death sentences (Joseph Darnand, head of the Milice, and Pierre Laval, head of the French state, were executed after trial on October 4, 1945, Pierre Pucheu was inculpated end of 1943, Robert Brasillach, executed on February 6, 1945, etc.) — much of which were later amnestied.[citation needed]
the third phase, more lenient towards Collaborationists (the trial of Philippe Pétain or of writer Louis-Ferdinand Céline)
Finally, came the period for amnesty and graces (i.e. Jean-Pierre Esteva, Xavier Vallat, creator of the General Commission for Jewish Affairs, René Bousquet, head of French police, etc.)
Others historians have distinguished epuration against intellectuals (Brasillach, Céline, etc.), industrials, fighters (LVF, etc.) and civil servants (Papon, etc.).[citation needed]
Philippe Pétain, the former head of Vichy France, was charged with treason in July 1945. He was convicted and sentenced to death by firing squad, but Charles de Gaulle commuted the sentence to life imprisonment. Most convicts were amnestied a few years later. In the police, collaborators soon resumed official responsibilities. This continuity of the administration was pointed out, in particular concerning the events of the Paris massacre of 1961, executed under the orders of head of the Parisian police Maurice Papon, who was judged in the 1990s for his role during Vichy.
The French members of the Waffen-SS Charlemagne Division who survived the war were regarded as traitors. Some of the more prominent officers were executed, while the rank-and-file were given prison terms; some of them were given the option of doing time in Indochina (1946-54) with the Foreign Legion instead of prison.
Singer Tino Rossi was detained in Fresnes prison, where, according to Combat newspaper, prison guards asked him for autographs. Pierre Benoit or Arletty were also detained. Collaborationists were brought to the Vélodrome d'hiver, Fresnes prison or the Drancy internment camp.
Many war criminals were judged only in the 1980s: Paul Touvier, Klaus Barbie (who worked after war for the CIA), Maurice Papon (above-mentioned), René Bousquet, head of French police during the war, and his deputy Jean Leguay (the last two were both convicted for their responsibilities in the July 1942 rafle du Vel'd'hiv, or Vel'd'Hiv raid). Famous Nazi hunters Serge and Beate Klarsfeld spent decades trying to bring them before the courts. A fair amount of Collaborationists then joined the OAS terrorist movement during the Algerian War (1954-62). Jacques de Bernonville escaped to Quebec, then Brazil. Jacques Ploncard d'Assac became counsellor of Salazar in Portugal.
Executions without trials and other forms of "popular justice" were harshly criticized immediately after the war, with circles close to Pétainists advancing the figures of 100,000, and denouncing the "Red Terror," "anarchy" or "blind vengeance." Journalist Robert Aron estimated the popular executions to a number of 40,000 in 1960, provoking de Gaulle's surprise, who estimated the real number to be around 10,000, which is the figure today admitted by mainstream historians. Approximatively 9,000 of these 10,000 refers to summary executions in the whole of the country, which occurred during battle. In absolute terms (numbers), there were fewer legal executions in France than in neighbouring, and much smaller, Belgium, and fewer internments than in Norway or Netherlands.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators
After the liberation, France was briefly swept by a wave of executions of suspected collaborators. Women who were suspected of having romantic liaisons with Germans, or more often of being German prostitutes, were publicly humiliated by having their heads shaved. Those who had engaged in the black market were also stigmatized as "war profiteers" (profiteurs de guerre), and popularly called "BOF" (Beurre Oeuf Fromage, or Butter Eggs Cheese, because of the products sold at outrageous prices during the Occupation). However, the Provisional Government of the French Republic (GPRF, 1944-46) quickly reestablished order, and brought Collaborationists before the courts. Many convicted Collaborationists were then amnestied under the Fourth Republic (1946-54), while some civil servants, such as Maurice Papon, succeeding in holding important functions even under Charles de Gaulle and the Fifth Republic (195
.Three different periods are distinguished by historians:[citation needed]
the first phase of popular convictions (épuration sauvage): executions without judgments and shaving of women's heads. Estimations by police prefects made in 1948 and 1952 counted as much as 6,000 executions before the Liberation, and 4,000 afterwards.[citation needed]
the second phase (legal epuration or épuration légale), which began with Charles de Gaulle's June 26 and June 27, 1944 ordonnances on epuration (de Gaulle's first ordonnance instituting Commissions of epuration was enacted on August 18, 1943) : judgments of Collaborationists by the Commissions d'épuration, who condemned approximatively 120,000 persons (Charles Maurras, leader of the royalist Action française, condemned to life sentence on January 25, 1945, etc.), including 1,500 death sentences (Joseph Darnand, head of the Milice, and Pierre Laval, head of the French state, were executed after trial on October 4, 1945, Pierre Pucheu was inculpated end of 1943, Robert Brasillach, executed on February 6, 1945, etc.) — much of which were later amnestied.[citation needed]
the third phase, more lenient towards Collaborationists (the trial of Philippe Pétain or of writer Louis-Ferdinand Céline)
Finally, came the period for amnesty and graces (i.e. Jean-Pierre Esteva, Xavier Vallat, creator of the General Commission for Jewish Affairs, René Bousquet, head of French police, etc.)
Others historians have distinguished epuration against intellectuals (Brasillach, Céline, etc.), industrials, fighters (LVF, etc.) and civil servants (Papon, etc.).[citation needed]
Philippe Pétain, the former head of Vichy France, was charged with treason in July 1945. He was convicted and sentenced to death by firing squad, but Charles de Gaulle commuted the sentence to life imprisonment. Most convicts were amnestied a few years later. In the police, collaborators soon resumed official responsibilities. This continuity of the administration was pointed out, in particular concerning the events of the Paris massacre of 1961, executed under the orders of head of the Parisian police Maurice Papon, who was judged in the 1990s for his role during Vichy.
The French members of the Waffen-SS Charlemagne Division who survived the war were regarded as traitors. Some of the more prominent officers were executed, while the rank-and-file were given prison terms; some of them were given the option of doing time in Indochina (1946-54) with the Foreign Legion instead of prison.
Singer Tino Rossi was detained in Fresnes prison, where, according to Combat newspaper, prison guards asked him for autographs. Pierre Benoit or Arletty were also detained. Collaborationists were brought to the Vélodrome d'hiver, Fresnes prison or the Drancy internment camp.
Many war criminals were judged only in the 1980s: Paul Touvier, Klaus Barbie (who worked after war for the CIA), Maurice Papon (above-mentioned), René Bousquet, head of French police during the war, and his deputy Jean Leguay (the last two were both convicted for their responsibilities in the July 1942 rafle du Vel'd'hiv, or Vel'd'Hiv raid). Famous Nazi hunters Serge and Beate Klarsfeld spent decades trying to bring them before the courts. A fair amount of Collaborationists then joined the OAS terrorist movement during the Algerian War (1954-62). Jacques de Bernonville escaped to Quebec, then Brazil. Jacques Ploncard d'Assac became counsellor of Salazar in Portugal.
Executions without trials and other forms of "popular justice" were harshly criticized immediately after the war, with circles close to Pétainists advancing the figures of 100,000, and denouncing the "Red Terror," "anarchy" or "blind vengeance." Journalist Robert Aron estimated the popular executions to a number of 40,000 in 1960, provoking de Gaulle's surprise, who estimated the real number to be around 10,000, which is the figure today admitted by mainstream historians. Approximatively 9,000 of these 10,000 refers to summary executions in the whole of the country, which occurred during battle. In absolute terms (numbers), there were fewer legal executions in France than in neighbouring, and much smaller, Belgium, and fewer internments than in Norway or Netherlands.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators
You just cannot negotiate with Israel. Olmert even said it himself- there will be no Palestinian peace deal by the end of this year.
Lebanese people who oppose Hezb, believe in dialogue and peace with Israel. Which is a fine concept, I don't disagree with that.
But look at how they're treating Palestine. It's because they're standing up to this injustice that Israel reacts with hostility.
Same story in Lebanon. We stand up to the injustice, yet we get labeled as the terrorists who are not seeking peace.
How can you think of peace with these people? Why didn't the USA think of sitting on the round table with say, Al Qaeda? Same story, Israel is a Zionist entity with an active policy of eliminating Palestinians; therefore Hezballah has every right to have such a hard-line stance against the Zionist entity.
Enough is enough. One will not understand the other, unless you see it from both perspectives. Israel wants to live in peace. Fine. We all want to. Why the hell are they bulldozing homes, and expanding settlements? This is surely contrary to their vision of peace in the Road Map, and other botched peace processes.
In other news...
An Israeli tennis player (Shahar Peer, I think?) arrived in Doha, Qatar yesterday to take part in the Qatar open. This makes her the first Israeli (non-Diplomat) to visit an Arab country (apart from the ones that signed a peace deal like Egypt and Jordan).
Al Thani ruling family has close ties with Shimon Peres since the late 90s. If these ties were used for peace process, by all means respect to them. But, self benefit blinds us all. Surely the Qataris don't give a toss if Jerusalem's al Aqsa mosque is inside a Jewish territory.
Lebanese people who oppose Hezb, believe in dialogue and peace with Israel. Which is a fine concept, I don't disagree with that.
But look at how they're treating Palestine. It's because they're standing up to this injustice that Israel reacts with hostility.
Same story in Lebanon. We stand up to the injustice, yet we get labeled as the terrorists who are not seeking peace.
How can you think of peace with these people? Why didn't the USA think of sitting on the round table with say, Al Qaeda? Same story, Israel is a Zionist entity with an active policy of eliminating Palestinians; therefore Hezballah has every right to have such a hard-line stance against the Zionist entity.
Enough is enough. One will not understand the other, unless you see it from both perspectives. Israel wants to live in peace. Fine. We all want to. Why the hell are they bulldozing homes, and expanding settlements? This is surely contrary to their vision of peace in the Road Map, and other botched peace processes.
In other news...
An Israeli tennis player (Shahar Peer, I think?) arrived in Doha, Qatar yesterday to take part in the Qatar open. This makes her the first Israeli (non-Diplomat) to visit an Arab country (apart from the ones that signed a peace deal like Egypt and Jordan).
Al Thani ruling family has close ties with Shimon Peres since the late 90s. If these ties were used for peace process, by all means respect to them. But, self benefit blinds us all. Surely the Qataris don't give a toss if Jerusalem's al Aqsa mosque is inside a Jewish territory.
I would support that man for his case and all if I could trust him, but the thing is he connects these to God and religion all the time, this is the only thing that bothers me, it doesn't guarantee anyone if one day he wants to turn Lebanon to an Islamic state. Other than that I love the way he owns Israeli government, I mean against an army like that with the army he has?? you gotta admit this man has giant balls in his pants.
No doubt this man has balls. and no one can deny that. he wouldn't have had all this support had he not had the balls and knew how use a religion as a tool to attract these poor people.
Like you said, he connects everything to god and religion, if he was going to fight for the sake of his country, then that would have been something else, he would have fought syria aswell. But even religious people make business out of religion.
Nasrallah said once in his speech that they'll continue fighting till "Mahdi" will show up with his troops, imagine Nasrallah believing tha a man who was dead thousands of years will show up with his troops one day. And that "Mahdi" came to him and told him that when Hezbollah will be 100% ready to fight, he'll come back with his troops.
I mean how can you deal with such a religious person???? on what bases can you argue and negotiate with him? Nothing.
It's funny, but it's pretty more dangerous when you think of it.
Like you said, he connects everything to god and religion, if he was going to fight for the sake of his country, then that would have been something else, he would have fought syria aswell. But even religious people make business out of religion.
Nasrallah said once in his speech that they'll continue fighting till "Mahdi" will show up with his troops, imagine Nasrallah believing tha a man who was dead thousands of years will show up with his troops one day. And that "Mahdi" came to him and told him that when Hezbollah will be 100% ready to fight, he'll come back with his troops.
I mean how can you deal with such a religious person???? on what bases can you argue and negotiate with him? Nothing.
It's funny, but it's pretty more dangerous when you think of it.
Hizbollah at the time it was created was a disaster, was fitting the description of Terrorism, but it's not the case with Nasrallah, he is much different than the leaders before, Rab you gotta admit he is fighting for the Arab case too, against what they are suffering by the Israelis and Americans. He is fighting for that I am 100% sure of it, he isn't doing it for money or anything else, for Arabs firstly then Islam secondly, which is the scary part. So far it's ok, but declaring an open war on Israel? I have no clue what that means, and it doesn't sound anything good. I have the feeling he loses his temper fast, what If that turns to something dangerous?
But my biggest concern, like the rest of Christian or neutral Lebanese (like R.Hariri described it
) feel the same way, is making this country an Islamic state, just like Iran. That would be a big loss, since Irani religious leaders are controlling Hizbollah, then it is a possible for something like that to happen, no?
But my biggest concern, like the rest of Christian or neutral Lebanese (like R.Hariri described it
) feel the same way, is making this country an Islamic state, just like Iran. That would be a big loss, since Irani religious leaders are controlling Hizbollah, then it is a possible for something like that to happen, no?Lets say he's fighting for the Arabs snoop. you think it's correct what he is doing?
Why is it always us(Lebanese) that should do other people's work/duty. We've suffered enough. almost 30years civil war in Lebanon because of the Arabs.
One of the reasons, I can't stand Hezbollah and Nasrallah is trying to free the Arab lands when infact they don't care, and they'll stick a knife behind your back anytime anyday. And the 1975 time in Lebanon proves that. When we accepted the Palestinians in our land, but it turned out to be that they wanted to free their land from our land.
Thats not my point however, my point is, we already have problems and lot of issues INSIDE Lebanon, to accept what Nasrallah is doing is over the limit.
That wont happen for sure.
So long there's something called Lebanese Forces in Lebanon, this will never happen. Lebanon could have turned into Palestine during the war, had it not been for the Lebanese Forces and Christians militia's.
I'm not worry, there are thousands of other brave militia's in Lebanon other than Hezbollah, Nasrallah knows that very well.
Why is it always us(Lebanese) that should do other people's work/duty. We've suffered enough. almost 30years civil war in Lebanon because of the Arabs.
One of the reasons, I can't stand Hezbollah and Nasrallah is trying to free the Arab lands when infact they don't care, and they'll stick a knife behind your back anytime anyday. And the 1975 time in Lebanon proves that. When we accepted the Palestinians in our land, but it turned out to be that they wanted to free their land from our land.
Thats not my point however, my point is, we already have problems and lot of issues INSIDE Lebanon, to accept what Nasrallah is doing is over the limit.
But my biggest concern, like the rest of Christian or neutral Lebanese (like R.Hariri described it ) feel the same way, is making this country an Islamic state, just like Iran. That would be a big loss, since Irani religious leaders are controlling Hizbollah, then it is a possible for something like that to happen, no?
) feel the same way, is making this country an Islamic state, just like Iran. That would be a big loss, since Irani religious leaders are controlling Hizbollah, then it is a possible for something like that to happen, no?
So long there's something called Lebanese Forces in Lebanon, this will never happen. Lebanon could have turned into Palestine during the war, had it not been for the Lebanese Forces and Christians militia's.
I'm not worry, there are thousands of other brave militia's in Lebanon other than Hezbollah, Nasrallah knows that very well.
Dude, in 1975 Hezballah weren't even born yet! Second of all during the civil war, ALL PARTIES, ALL SECTS were guilty of pointing their guns are one another (i.e. Lebanese vs. Lebanese). Finally - Nasrallah has emphasized more than once, that his guns shall NEVER under no circumstance be pointed towards ANY Lebanese citizen. "They" (Future Movement? PSP? Ouwet? Kataeb?) tried to provoke the Shi'a many times by attacking Hezballah offices recently in Beirut, which didn't cause anything.
Right...that's why he has a pact with the LFPM (Aoun)...because of his "non interest" in Lebanon.
Brave enough to point their guns at other Lebanese?
10452 my ass, the whole LF organisation were sell-outs to Israel in the 1980s, and proved AGAIN in 2006 that they were willing to side with Israel vs. Hezballah.
Right...that's why he has a pact with the LFPM (Aoun)...because of his "non interest" in Lebanon.
Brave enough to point their guns at other Lebanese?
10452 my ass, the whole LF organisation were sell-outs to Israel in the 1980s, and proved AGAIN in 2006 that they were willing to side with Israel vs. Hezballah.
I said in 1975 what Palestinians did. I know Hezbollah wasn't around that time.
So you think Nasrallah isn't using his guns in Lebanon??? what would you call occupying the Down Town of Beirut??? Controlling whoever is coming and going? having all kind of weapons down there incase of something? I've seen that with my own eyes. If you don't call that using weapons in Lebanon then I don't know what you call it.
Hezbollah probably doesn't use their weapon directly at the Lebanese, but there are hunderds of way they're using it indirectly.
Isn't obvious that without Aoun he couldn't achieved anything? from occupying down town of beirut to the black tuesday and saturday....and vice versa Aoun is benifting from this aswell.
God, it's hilarious how obvious it is that both of them are lying when they both were interviewed on the OTV.
Just to remind you my friend, withdrawing Hezbollah weapon decision in the UN was requested and made by Michel Aoun.
Hezbollah aren't stupid, politically they're very smart, they know what Aoun is about and they know what Aoun wants, but they're just using hi in order to add Christians to their list and thats all. But in terms of politics they'll do anything but vote for Aoun as president.
What you wanted the Christians to do back in the 1980's? accept a new Palestinian state inside our country??? yea right.
As for the 2006.....we have a quote it says "they eat from your dish and then they spit on it".
I myself and my family during the war were welcomed more than you can imagine in Lebanese Forces area, we were offered food, water electricity, bed everything. Some of my friends went to the mountain to Walid Jounblat and they were welcomed even better.
3ayb walla 3ayb.
So you think Nasrallah isn't using his guns in Lebanon??? what would you call occupying the Down Town of Beirut??? Controlling whoever is coming and going? having all kind of weapons down there incase of something? I've seen that with my own eyes. If you don't call that using weapons in Lebanon then I don't know what you call it.
Hezbollah probably doesn't use their weapon directly at the Lebanese, but there are hunderds of way they're using it indirectly.
Right...that's why he has a pact with the LFPM (Aoun)...because of his "non interest" in Lebanon.
God, it's hilarious how obvious it is that both of them are lying when they both were interviewed on the OTV.
Just to remind you my friend, withdrawing Hezbollah weapon decision in the UN was requested and made by Michel Aoun.
Hezbollah aren't stupid, politically they're very smart, they know what Aoun is about and they know what Aoun wants, but they're just using hi in order to add Christians to their list and thats all. But in terms of politics they'll do anything but vote for Aoun as president.
What you wanted the Christians to do back in the 1980's? accept a new Palestinian state inside our country??? yea right.
As for the 2006.....we have a quote it says "they eat from your dish and then they spit on it".
I myself and my family during the war were welcomed more than you can imagine in Lebanese Forces area, we were offered food, water electricity, bed everything. Some of my friends went to the mountain to Walid Jounblat and they were welcomed even better.
3ayb walla 3ayb.