The...I want this player to Juve thread (30 Viewers)

[xuxa19]

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- Ashley young has broke his way into England's squad... he is one of the best midfielders in the world now.. has been linked with real madrid too. he carries aston villa to the 4th spot in EPL scoring 5 goals and 8 assists this season so far, last year 8 goals and 17 assists... so by far better than camo.. dont criticize what you do not know.

yeap A Young is hell of good player but to say that he carries Villa at 4 spot i think that is very unrealistic.... There are only 2 facts that Aston Villa is in 4 spot:

1. ARSENAL is nowhere and
2. They make a sign of Year in EPL with Bred Friedl

 

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[Hist]

I gave you my argument... i am judging based on matches i have watched in both leagues. I got you goals and assists for the last two seasons.
You admitted that you do not watch the EPL so that makes your judgment of kuyt and Ashley young merely a speculation if not a guess.
I have gave you my opinion of both players and i backed up my opinion with numbers.
Open EPL website and check their ratings each match. Check out who is the current dream team.

If i were found to be making up events then you can disregard me forever.
so far i did not get any data to back your admiration of camo except because you are juve fans. Give me some statistics. How many times was he included in serie team of the weak? How many goals and assists did he score over the last 2 seasons. What is his average rating according to NON-JUVE websites over the seasons.
until you come up with something other than "camo is better because i love him"
i will disregard your opinions forever.

 

[Hist]

I have seen 4-5 matches of aston villa this season, and i didnt see anything special, he crosses were no better then molinaros, when he tried to dribble he stumbled, hes fast i`ll give him that, but i didnt see anything special. So maybe he played all the other matches great I dont know, but from what i have seen he is a bit overated. He is good but i certenatly i dont think hes that good as you say.

molinaro crosses? you are joking? I refuse to insult ashley young by this comparison. His crosses are like Maicon's not molinaro's
He dribbles like crazy.. scores free kicks.. very very Paced... a brilliant passer.

By the way Aston Villa are dependent not on friedel.
There is the hierarchy of important players they have.
1) Ashley young
2) Agbonlahor
3) Barry
4) Laursen

add friedel to them if you wish but he doesnt come near any of these 4

 

[Raz]

Do you realy need tons of websites to see how good a player is? I have seen him play and i can say that camo is great when hes not injured and its my oppinion not someone elses i read. You realy have to be dumb to not see that he cannot even be comapred to the likes of walcott. Nasri? Reira? who are Left sided btw. One can think you dont even watch football, just go through the EPL highlights, then to few epl statistic pages, team of the week, read few epl sport pundits and thats it, you are the all knowing talent scout/manager/guru which is expert in English football after that

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

How many times was he included in serie team of the weak?

none

that's why he is better.

 

[icemaη]

Is snake_midget one of 'em sky sports pundits? His views sound like 'Del Piero has learned a thing or two about? free kicks looking at Ronaldo'
Seriously dude, are you on dope? Do you even watch Juve play? Do you even know who Camo is? Kuyt>Camo? Young>Camo? Walcott>Camo?
Mods, I need the smiley back...

 

[icemaη]

none

that's why he is better.

+rep for noticing that

 

[Alen]

First of all, i agree with snake_midget that Ashley Young is already one of the top wingers in the world, and he can become even better.


But, snake, i noticed that your knowledge of serie A teams and players is limited and it's far too inferior compared to your knowledge of the EPL.....

we have good players but if you count the stars names and the team's strength you'll see that they are better.

Now, EPL has more money, the bigger teams in the EPL are currently stronger than the big teams in serie A and there are indeed more quality players there than in serie A's big teams.
But you're doing the mistake many EPL followers are doing, and that is overrating the ones you know and underrating the ones you don't know.
I'm convinced that many EPL followers think Bellamy is better than Lavezzi. Why? Simply because they don't even know Lavezzi and when they look at Napoli's roster they think that Napoli is weaker than Tottenham, simply because they don't even know the players in Napoli.
But if you followed the UEFA Cup you'd have seen that the Italians did much better than the English, and even humiliated them in the head-to-head matches.

Is Bentley better than Hamsik?
Is Agbonlahor better than Milito?
Is Yobo better than Zapata?
Is Kalou better than Vucinic?
Is Aiyegbeni better than Pandev?
Is Anelka better than Amauri?
Is Reina better than Julio Cesar?
Is Bellamy better than Lavezzi?

Most of the EPL fans will say yes simply because they didn't watch any of the serie A players mentioned, or they watched them once or twice. I mean, if someone is good why does he play for Genoa, right? He'd have played at least for a mid-table English team.
But ask an EPL fan who also follows serie A. Someone like Fred, and you'll get a much more realistic opinion.

This brings me to the stars you mentioned. What makes someone a star? Being a great player or simply playing in the starting XI of a strong EPL team? Is Anelka a star and isn't Vucinic a star?
Will Vucinic become a star if he plays instead of Anelka? Because i think he's a better player than Anelka but if you give the EPL fans a chance to vote who's the better player, we all know who the winner will be.

 

[Jim_Boi]

First of all, i agree with snake_midget that Ashley Young is already one of the top wingers in the world, and he can become even better.


But, snake, i noticed that your knowledge of serie A teams and players is limited and it's far too inferior compared to your knowledge of the EPL.....



Now, EPL has more money, the bigger teams in the EPL are currently stronger than the big teams in serie A and there are indeed more quality players there than in serie A's big teams.
But you're doing the mistake many EPL followers are doing, and that is overrating the ones you know and underrating the ones you don't know.
I'm convinced that many EPL followers think Bellamy is better than Lavezzi. Why? Simply because they don't even know Lavezzi and when they look at Napoli's roster they think that Napoli is weaker than Tottenham, simply because they don't even know the players in Napoli.
But if you followed the UEFA Cup you'd have seen that the Italians did much better than the English, and even humiliated them in the head-to-head matches.

Is Bentley better than Hamsik?
Is Agbonlahor better than Milito?
Is Yobo better than Zapata?
Is Kalou better than Vucinic?
Is Aiyegbeni better than Pandev?
Is Anelka better than Amauri?
Is Reina better than Julio Cesar?
Is Bellamy better than Lavezzi?

Most of the EPL fans will say yes simply because they didn't watch any of the serie A players mentioned, or they watched them once or twice. I mean, if someone is good why does he play for Genoa, right? He'd have played at least for a mid-table English team.
But ask an EPL fan who also follows serie A. Someone like Fred, and you'll get a much more realistic opinion.

This brings me to the stars you mentioned. What makes someone a star? Being a great player or simply playing in the starting XI of a strong EPL team? Is Anelka a star and isn't Vucinic a star?
Will Vucinic become a star if he plays instead of Anelka? Because i think he's a better player than Anelka but if you give the EPL fans a chance to vote who's the better player, we all know who the winner will be.

 

[Salvatore]

Lampard is a good player but he is no winger and definetely not better than Camoranesi
Valencia who the fuck is he do you mean the team or a player?
Kuyt is a good player no more than that
Arteta please dont make me laugh
Ronaldo ofcourse he is something special
Nasri young and talented but he is not better than Camoranesi
Young I do not wish to comment on that
Modric is simply overated way way overated
Walcott is fast and thats it not half of Camoranesi
Riera don`t know him
Joe Cole is a really talented young player who has good matches here and then but... Camo is more creative organize the attack better and defends better so no to Cole as well

Im baffled you even have to ask the question about whether he means the club Valencia or the player.

You dismiss Artetas ability too easily as well.

Ashley young is the Epl's best winger so far you guys really need to watch some english football.

Ashley Young is indeed a very gifted player, he reads the game very well. Snap him up.

 

[Enoran]

The media is to be blame at least on my local papers are concerned where the EPL players are extensively reported on (Cant blame that since my country was once under the commonwealth).

Even their wags got more exposure on the papers than Del Piero and Totti ...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Man, seriously, did you follow Juve last year? Maybe you didn't have a chance to watch serie A last year and it's ok if you didn't, but not following Juve is the only explanation i can find for what you said in this post.

ban ban ban ban ban lol

 

[Lion]

will somebody put the midget out of his misery?

 

[Red]

First of all, i agree with snake_midget that Ashley Young is already one of the top wingers in the world, and he can become even better.

Young is very good, but I think he needs to produce the goods over a longer period to be considered one of the best in the world.

 

[Hist]

Is snake_midget one of 'em sky sports pundits? His views sound like 'Del Piero has learned a thing or two about? free kicks looking at Ronaldo'
Seriously dude, are you on dope? Do you even watch Juve play? Do you even know who Camo is? Kuyt>Camo? Young>Camo? Walcott>Camo?
Mods, I need the smiley back...

So far ALen is the only one speaking some sense. Yes i watch EPL more than serie a. I watch almost all EPL matches that i can and when i miss a match i watch its highlights. However i watch Juve closely as Juve is my favorite team in the world since 2004... last year i missed some juve matches but watched every Inter match. (by the way, your same argument about me applies to you since you dont watch EPL the way you watch serie a)
This year I didn't miss one match of Juve and watched almost 70% of inter's and 50% of milan's + the entire EPL.


Now back to the guy that doesn't believe neither in match ratings nor in serie a oscar nominations/wins nor in serie a team of the week nor in goals and assists count...etc

We juve fans are naturally biased, and we praise our players more than they deserve the same way inter fans would praise theirs the same way milan fans will praise theirs correct? so our opinions are subjective correct?
Now What does player ratings mean?
It is the grade out of 10 given by football journalists in accordance with the performance of each player each match.. correct?
They might not be 100% accurate but they are indicator of the performance.
Same thing for Serie a Oscars, there may be some controversies (like when ibra won this year) but they also are an indicator for the performance of the player.
Obviously the better a player performs the higher the rating he will get, the better chance he would win an award for his performance.

So obviously individual honors are directly proportional to the performance of each player.
Another indicator is the number of goals and assists of the player per season.

As i said if you want to know who is better young or camo.. go on a football forum that is not related to juve and ask that question.


Many people here discredit what i say just because they think otherwise.. i asked you to support your argument you told me goals and assists mean nothing. Individual awards count for nothing.. all that matters is that he is a juve player.

I am not speaking out of my ass... My argument was Young is way better than camo .... my support? goals and assists # over the last 2 years... nominations he got. Price Tag.. average rating over the season... etc.
They give awards to who they think is best don't they?

what proves a player to be better...? to be nominated or to be ignored?
'

 

[Orgut]

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHA

- Lampard plays on the side when ballack plays center... .. but fuck that, he is not better than camo HAHAHHAHAHAHA are you insane? he is waaaaaaaaay better... by a HUGE distance.. better than camo anyday any time and especially this season.. do you even know who is lampard? would you like me to get you some statistics?

- Kuyt is a good player no more than that and so is camoranesi. Kuyt scored goals more than our entire midfield combined and is far more consistent than camo. but i value the same equally but currently kuyt is better.

- Arteta has been brilliant with everton this season .. he has scored 5 goals and 6 assists so far this season and is continiuosly shining. DEFINITELY currently better than camo.

- Valencia is a young player from wigan.. has been brilliant this season and is already in talks with real madrid. watch him grow and remember this post when he becomes one hell of a player.


- Ashley young has broke his way into England's squad... he is one of the best midfielders in the world now.. has been linked with real madrid too. he carries aston villa to the 4th spot in EPL scoring 5 goals and 8 assists this season so far, last year 8 goals and 17 assists... so by far better than camo.. dont criticize what you do not know.

- Nasri has been brilliant this season with arsenal especially after fabregas got injured.. another new miracle worker on the rise.

- Modric is hitting back form... if you watched the euros then you've watched modric no need to say anything further.

- Walcott? camo is faster? do you really watch football?... camo used to be fast relatively to our old slow players but he is not even close to walcott... walcott is a speed demon and a much better dribbler than camo.. and is still a little kid.

- Riera is a player who broke his way into liverpool's starting 11... his style reminds me of camo back in the good days.



You obviously do not watch EPL as the statements you made cannot come out from a sane person's mouth. Don't criticize what you do not understand.
I challenge you to go on a non juve forum and say camo is in the top 5 midfielders in the world... and you'll get the response.
especially when you say he is better than ashley young .

I dont wish to comment about Young since I never heard of him not because he is not good or something like this
also it easier to play in the premiership IMO

as for Walcott he is by far faster than Camo
Camo is not fast at all and Walcott is one of the fastest in the world but as far as it goes to ability and playmaking Walcott is in Camo`s pocket

By the way I think you underate Camo too much
every game he plays he is our midfield controlling the match giving assists you must be crazy to say he is not one of the best right wingers in the world

 

[Osman]

Whoever said Young crosses are like Molinaro's made a comment that is almost as clueless as this fucking mdiget, ALMOST p

Young is a GREAT crosser, its his main weapon, he whips them in like no other. His main strenght is speed and his crossing. He iis a little limited, not a dazzling skilled player, not much of technique or superb dribbling, but a very well timed classical winger who executes his skills to perfection. Timed runs and deadly with his speed, and he assists ALOT because his crossing is absolutely superb. No mistaking that.

Saying Molinaro level, which is like aken to being one of the wrost crossers, is absolutely ridicolous thing to say.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I like Young but I think we don't have any chance to sign him.I predict him to go to some EPL club again for some crazy price.

 

[Osman]

I dont really want him, acknowledge he is very good, but nah, not too eager on him. But even I was, yeah, dont think he would be realistic. He wouldnt be worth the ridicolous money EPL teams demand, especially from up and coming english players like him. We can do better deals with a player better or cheaper then him.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

He forgot to mention that Pennant is better than Camo. He played from Liverpool AND Arsenal, he has a few England caps if I'm not mistaken and Real and Milan wanted him.