The Financial Situation (13 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

well thanks for the nice reply, i guess cant expect more than that when i read ur name

I'm very offended, what is wrong with my name and what do you know about it?

 

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[juventino320]

Bjerknes

 

[Bjerknes]

As Weedguru used to say, Hohohohohohohohohohohohohoho.

 

[juventino320]

lol ahhh i need some its been years since the last time

 

[Bianconero81]

So, when can we expect to mount a serious challenge for the CL?

I'd like to see us win a couple of those "big ears" trophies before I become a grandfather in 2050.

If these baby steps require a decade or more for us to get to the required/desired level, then we might as well sell off the club, or at least a % of it.

 

[Ahmed]

You are entitled to your opinion, but Marotta has wasted too much money to be left unmentioned in your post of Skittles-shiitting-unicorns.

pales in comparison to the potential revenue Juve can make were she to cash in on the likes of Vidal, Pogba, Llorente etc...

 

[Bianconero81]

Cashing in on (even one) one of those guys and drastically weakening the squad is not a rosy scenario either.

 

[Ahmed]

even if they don't make a marquee signing to replace them, you can buy plenty of mid-level 'potential stars' like Vidal 2011 for 60M Euros.

 

[Bianconero81]

For every Vidal out there, there are 10 Brighis or Baioccos. I just don't think it's worth the risk.

 

[Ahmed]

sure, no way should we ever be even thinking about selling them, was just replying to Andrew's point about how Marotta lost money.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Of course we should cash in on 29 years old forward, unless he is the perfect player in our tactical gameplan. Vucinic all over again. Unless we are playing 4-3-3 with a lot of crosses or can't get more than 15m for Llorente we should get the money.
We don't have the team for 4-3-1-2, its pretty clear. Maybe we can play 3-4-1-2, but that limits Vidal a lot, and the idea of playing Marchisio as a trequartista is another tactical-flow genius idea that can only make you laugh. We could even play Pogba there and he would be better in it. Then there is Pirlo.

 

[Valerio.]

Of course we should cash in on 29 years old forward, unless he is the perfect player in our tactical gameplan. Vucinic all over again. Unless we are playing 4-3-3 with a lot of crosses or can't get more than 15m for Llorente we should get the money.
We don't have the team for 4-3-1-2, its pretty clear. Maybe we can play 3-4-1-2, but that limits Vidal a lot, and the idea of playing Marchisio as a trequartista is another tactical-flow genius idea that can only make you laugh. We could even play Pogba there and he would be better in it. Then there is Pirlo.

I know we should cash from players like Llorente and Lichsteiner. Cause we'll prolly never have a second chance to do. That's if there is someone interested.
And sell the likes of Padoin,Isla (why a free loan for him?!?! to QPR??? they're giving us Tarabt?) and Giovinco,De Ceglie,Motta.
Juventus is too old... that's why Conte wanted to revolution the whole thing. Set all those players which are old and tired from 3years of perm running. Cash from them and take some good prospect where he could work his way .

 

[vodka]

juve will get 5m from the tour! lets buy lavezzi

 

[Zacheryah]

Juventus should be taking efford with these tours. Cause we can realy use that direct cash

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Juventus should be taking efford with these tours. Cause we can realy use that direct cash

Not only for that, but because it really is a great way to get the Juventus "brand" out there. Very important in today's global economy, and especially in the Asian market. People wonder why we can't get amazing sponsorship deals like Man U, Madrid, Bayern etc, this is one way we can help claw back some lost ground.

 

[Zacheryah]

Yup agreed

 

[napoleonic]

Well, to expand that far unfortunately once again the league drag us down as serie a itself doesn't seem to focus on expanding globally or rather they have no money for that.

For example bayern is still 'quite unknown' in asia compared to loser clubs like arsenal and liverpool despite the former dominating european football recently because bundesliga doesn't have a strong presence in asia

 

[Sir Miss-A-Lot]

Well, to expand that far unfortunately once again the league drag us down as serie a itself doesn't seem to focus on expanding globally or rather they have no money for that.

For example bayern is still 'quite unknown' in asia compared to loser clubs like arsenal and liverpool despite the former dominating european football recently because bundesliga doesn't have a strong presence in asia

Exactly. That is why it is important to us that Serie A gets more marketed (not necesarrily a higher level of football, because really there isn't much difference from EPL, at least the difference has only been there for a few years, and it was before that the EPL started doing things the right way). New stadiums with better atmosphere will do a lot, so hopefully most teams will see their stadiums upgrade during the next ten years

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

The atmosphere in most EPL stadiums SUCKS, but yeh their modern stadiums with packed crowds really do make for a great TV product.

But lets be honest, most "fans" in the Asian and American markets aren't actually fans of the EPL per se, but of certain teams (Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea mainly)These teams are big brands now, we already had/have a big name in Asia and its time to consolidate on that once again.

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Fully agreed.

If we ever will actually become a top European club again, it's inevitable that Serie A will have to improve as a whole.

Right now we are among the top 2nd tier of Europe, with the likes of Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, maybe Arsenal, Porto, Benfica, Lyon.

1st tier is Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, Man Utd (in terms of financial potential - what they lack is good decision makers atm).
Bottom 1st tier is new richies PSG, Chelsea, Man City.

And top 2nd tier will probably be our ceilling for a long time. However we have more potential than the 2nd tier clubs to ascend to the 1st tiers without a magnate, given our wonderful tradition in Italy, being the top club and most popular club of our country, with a bunch of some of best players all time being our legends..

But that's where we lie now. Anyway, we've seen 2nd Euro tier clubs like Dortmund and Atletico make amazing runs in Europe. It is possible for us if the board and sports director make an outstanding job with the resources we have. I mean, the quality of the work Dortmund and Atletico are doing is really really amazing.

Unfortunately, Marotta clearly doesn't look to be the one capable of doing this.

We have a huge upside though. With the right men making decisions, we can achieve the 1st tier again. But we need the best possible human resources in terms of scouting, football assessment, etc.

We simply won't reach the 1st tier financially speaking for the foreseeable future. The only way to compete with them is doing a world class job in terms of recruiting playeres, training, environment, coaching staff, scouting staff, etc. Marotta is clearly not the man to lead us to this place, even though he has his huge chunk of responsibility in bringing the club forward in the past 3 years.

But IMO he's already shown he won't be able to give the next step.

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My hope is that Agnelli doesn't get too attached to him and, with the increase in our revenues to happen in one year, that he finds another guy who can do a truly world class job at that position.

We should not hope that our revenues will continue to grow. I mean, from next year on, we may add 50M, which is a lot. But after that we will certainly stagnate. Our stadium and fan base in Turin don't give us many options. We already have a good TV deal. Our only hope is increasing revenue from merchandising.

The Juventus brand need to be more popular around the world. ADIDAS will probably help in this, since they have a big 5 clubs in the world for which they give special attention and try to expand the brand as much as possible. Flamengo is recently one of these, and they are executing a hell of a marketing plan for them.

So, we will basically rely on sportive performance in CL. That's basically it. The CL gained an enourmous proportion in the world. Here in Brazil people talk more about CL than the national league sometimes. It's on the open channels, non payed TV. There are Brazilians who support CL teams. They buy the EPL hype.

So we need an aggressive marketing from ADIDAS abroad AND keep competing in CL year after year, playing with the best and actually having a shot at reaching the final. We need this IN ORDER TO increase our revenues, it's not the contrary. So only with near perfect management we will reach this performance level.

This is not the 70s and 80s anymore. No company will give us money like Gianni used to do. Things are much more controled now, there are far more interests. In the past, the company belonged only to the Agnelli's. Gianni could actually do whatever he wanted with his money. Now the company belongs not only to the Agnellis, but to all shareholders. There are thousands of them. If they are unsatisfied, they will want to sell their stocks and the company's value will drop. Thus we can't expect to have a passionate godfather who will pump money in anymore, unless an oil arabic magnate buys us.

Thus my only hope is Andrea Agnelli. I still consider him to be a good willed, young, ambitious smart man who is passionate about Juve. We have to remember this before we weep about Elkann, who runs Exxor in a very good way, and in the most professional way. The guy simply can't do favours to Juventus, Exxor is not his company, it's the shareholders company.

If Andrea fails to see and perceive this, we are screwed. We can't continue to look to Italy. We have to compare ourselves to the biggest clubs in the world, the 1st tier. And then be humble and accept we are in the 2nd tier now, in terms of revenues and prestige. We have to look to clubs like Dortmund and Atletico and learn with what they do. We have to be ambitious.

We have to accept that we no longer stand in the prestigious position we've alwas stood till 10 years ago, throughout most of our history. We are not there anymore. We belong there, but to come back it will be a huge challenge and task, given the enourmous financial abysm between us and the top 8 clubs in the world. And this abysm will only be overcame with top world class quality management.

So who is the man to take us to the next level? Sabatini? Suns favourite?

 

[PedroFlu]

The atmosphere in most EPL stadiums SUCKS, but yeh their modern stadiums with packed crowds really do make for a great TV product.

But lets be honest, most "fans" in the Asian and American markets aren't actually fans of the EPL per se, but of certain teams (Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea mainly)These teams are big brands now, we already had/have a big name in Asia and its time to consolidate on that once again.

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So who is the man to take us to the next level? Sabatini? Suns favourite?

I don't have an answer to that question. I'm only evaluating Marotta's work so far, even though what Sabatini is doing at Roma is quite remarkable so far.