The Financial Situation (47 Viewers)
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the €6m bonus that some people are saying is very unlikely imo... Juve got a one-off 'extraordinary bonus' €6m in 2013/2014 (probably for winning 3 titles in a row, only 2nd time in Juve's history); Juve didn't get any bonus in 2012/2013 season for winning Scudetto and QF in CL... what we know is Fiat sponsorship of €17m + conditional bonus, the press release didn't mention the conditions (sporting achievements) that would trigger the bonus nor the amount of bonus.
Yes, because the former deal was 13M fixed. That extra 6M was like 2M per year as some kind of acknowledgment, since it wasn't part of the original deal.
I highly doubt it will be more than 3M bonus a year. Probably like 1M for CL qualify, 1M scudetto, 1M CL quarter finals r stg.
It's still a poor agreement, mainly because of its duration.
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Yes, this is clearly biased in favour of Exxor. I guess this is some kind of favour retourn for the loan they conceded 3 or 4 years ago.
Nothing is to be taken for granted from Exxor. They want to make profit all possible ways, their priority is payind dividends to shareholders and maing Exxor more financially healthy and successful. They will not pump money into Juve or make any favours. It's all business.
As I said, if this club wants to grow, Marotta will have to do amazing deals with what he has. And obviously this isn't the case. We'll get stuck in this situation for the foreseeable time.
I highly doubt it will be more than 3M bonus a year. Probably like 1M for CL qualify, 1M scudetto, 1M CL quarter finals r stg.
It's still a poor agreement, mainly because of its duration.
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Yes, this is clearly biased in favour of Exxor. I guess this is some kind of favour retourn for the loan they conceded 3 or 4 years ago.
Nothing is to be taken for granted from Exxor. They want to make profit all possible ways, their priority is payind dividends to shareholders and maing Exxor more financially healthy and successful. They will not pump money into Juve or make any favours. It's all business.
As I said, if this club wants to grow, Marotta will have to do amazing deals with what he has. And obviously this isn't the case. We'll get stuck in this situation for the foreseeable time.
I would not blame them TBH. They cannot risk losing capital like mad just for keeping Juventus afloat. Thats doesnt make sense as a business. (but then theres that cricket thing which kind of contradict this but oh well..)
Juve needs to find a way to be profitable. It doesnt matter if it is a small margin, but at least creating profits every year would be like super good.
We just need to be realistic in this, and realize that our dream of being the super powerhouse of old , will maybe never materialize without something earthshaking happening. Italian football in general being a mess doesnt help at all either.
As long as there are stupid magnates throwing money carelessly to their clubs, and teams like madrid doing shady businesses with the goverment... it will just not be possible.
Is like a totally alternate reality to be sincere.
PD: And yes, sadly this 8 years del is retarded, it reminds me our silli 10 year deal with nike in 2014...
but in reality this new deal was pretty much imposet by Exxor. Maybe they are trying to make us pay the rest of ouf exxor loan this way?. To help us?.
Juve needs to find a way to be profitable. It doesnt matter if it is a small margin, but at least creating profits every year would be like super good.
We just need to be realistic in this, and realize that our dream of being the super powerhouse of old , will maybe never materialize without something earthshaking happening. Italian football in general being a mess doesnt help at all either.
As long as there are stupid magnates throwing money carelessly to their clubs, and teams like madrid doing shady businesses with the goverment... it will just not be possible.
Is like a totally alternate reality to be sincere.
PD: And yes, sadly this 8 years del is retarded, it reminds me our silli 10 year deal with nike in 2014...
but in reality this new deal was pretty much imposet by Exxor. Maybe they are trying to make us pay the rest of ouf exxor loan this way?. To help us?.
Fully agreed.
If we ever will actually become a top European club again, it's inevitable that Serie A will have to improve as a whole.
Right now we are among the top 2nd tier of Europe, with the likes of Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, maybe Arsenal, Porto, Benfica, Lyon.
1st tier is Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, Man Utd (in terms of financial potential - what they lack is good decision makers atm).
Bottom 1st tier is new richies PSG, Chelsea, Man City.
And top 2nd tier will probably be our ceilling for a long time. However we have more potential than the 2nd tier clubs to ascend to the 1st tiers without a magnate, given our wonderful tradition in Italy, being the top club and most popular club of our country, with a bunch of some of best players all time being our legends..
But that's where we lie now. Anyway, we've seen 2nd Euro tier clubs like Dortmund and Atletico make amazing runs in Europe. It is possible for us if the board and sports director make an outstanding job with the resources we have. I mean, the quality of the work Dortmund and Atletico are doing is really really amazing.
Unfortunately, Marotta clearly doesn't look to be the one capable of doing this.
We have a huge upside though. With the right men making decisions, we can achieve the 1st tier again. But we need the best possible human resources in terms of scouting, football assessment, etc.
We simply won't reach the 1st tier financially speaking for the foreseeable future. The only way to compete with them is doing a world class job in terms of recruiting playeres, training, environment, coaching staff, scouting staff, etc. Marotta is clearly not the man to lead us to this place, even though he has his huge chunk of responsibility in bringing the club forward in the past 3 years.
But IMO he's already shown he won't be able to give the next step.
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My hope is that Agnelli doesn't get too attached to him and, with the increase in our revenues to happen in one year, that he finds another guy who can do a truly world class job at that position.
We should not hope that our revenues will continue to grow. I mean, from next year on, we may add 50M, which is a lot. But after that we will certainly stagnate. Our stadium and fan base in Turin don't give us many options. We already have a good TV deal. Our only hope is increasing revenue from merchandising.
The Juventus brand need to be more popular around the world. ADIDAS will probably help in this, since they have a big 5 clubs in the world for which they give special attention and try to expand the brand as much as possible. Flamengo is recently one of these, and they are executing a hell of a marketing plan for them.
So, we will basically rely on sportive performance in CL. That's basically it. The CL gained an enourmous proportion in the world. Here in Brazil people talk more about CL than the national league sometimes. It's on the open channels, non payed TV. There are Brazilians who support CL teams. They buy the EPL hype.
So we need an aggressive marketing from ADIDAS abroad AND keep competing in CL year after year, playing with the best and actually having a shot at reaching the final. We need this IN ORDER TO increase our revenues, it's not the contrary. So only with near perfect management we will reach this performance level.
This is not the 70s and 80s anymore. No company will give us money like Gianni used to do. Things are much more controled now, there are far more interests. In the past, the company belonged only to the Agnelli's. Gianni could actually do whatever he wanted with his money. Now the company belongs not only to the Agnellis, but to all shareholders. There are thousands of them. If they are unsatisfied, they will want to sell their stocks and the company's value will drop. Thus we can't expect to have a passionate godfather who will pump money in anymore, unless an oil arabic magnate buys us.
Thus my only hope is Andrea Agnelli. I still consider him to be a good willed, young, ambitious smart man who is passionate about Juve. We have to remember this before we weep about Elkann, who runs Exxor in a very good way, and in the most professional way. The guy simply can't do favours to Juventus, Exxor is not his company, it's the shareholders company.
If Andrea fails to see and perceive this, we are screwed. We can't continue to look to Italy. We have to compare ourselves to the biggest clubs in the world, the 1st tier. And then be humble and accept we are in the 2nd tier now, in terms of revenues and prestige. We have to look to clubs like Dortmund and Atletico and learn with what they do. We have to be ambitious.
We have to accept that we no longer stand in the prestigious position we've alwas stood till 10 years ago, throughout most of our history. We are not there anymore. We belong there, but to come back it will be a huge challenge and task, given the enourmous financial abysm between us and the top 8 clubs in the world. And this abysm will only be overcame with top world class quality management.
If we ever will actually become a top European club again, it's inevitable that Serie A will have to improve as a whole.
Right now we are among the top 2nd tier of Europe, with the likes of Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, maybe Arsenal, Porto, Benfica, Lyon.
1st tier is Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, Man Utd (in terms of financial potential - what they lack is good decision makers atm).
Bottom 1st tier is new richies PSG, Chelsea, Man City.
And top 2nd tier will probably be our ceilling for a long time. However we have more potential than the 2nd tier clubs to ascend to the 1st tiers without a magnate, given our wonderful tradition in Italy, being the top club and most popular club of our country, with a bunch of some of best players all time being our legends..
But that's where we lie now. Anyway, we've seen 2nd Euro tier clubs like Dortmund and Atletico make amazing runs in Europe. It is possible for us if the board and sports director make an outstanding job with the resources we have. I mean, the quality of the work Dortmund and Atletico are doing is really really amazing.
Unfortunately, Marotta clearly doesn't look to be the one capable of doing this.
We have a huge upside though. With the right men making decisions, we can achieve the 1st tier again. But we need the best possible human resources in terms of scouting, football assessment, etc.
We simply won't reach the 1st tier financially speaking for the foreseeable future. The only way to compete with them is doing a world class job in terms of recruiting playeres, training, environment, coaching staff, scouting staff, etc. Marotta is clearly not the man to lead us to this place, even though he has his huge chunk of responsibility in bringing the club forward in the past 3 years.
But IMO he's already shown he won't be able to give the next step.
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My hope is that Agnelli doesn't get too attached to him and, with the increase in our revenues to happen in one year, that he finds another guy who can do a truly world class job at that position.
We should not hope that our revenues will continue to grow. I mean, from next year on, we may add 50M, which is a lot. But after that we will certainly stagnate. Our stadium and fan base in Turin don't give us many options. We already have a good TV deal. Our only hope is increasing revenue from merchandising.
The Juventus brand need to be more popular around the world. ADIDAS will probably help in this, since they have a big 5 clubs in the world for which they give special attention and try to expand the brand as much as possible. Flamengo is recently one of these, and they are executing a hell of a marketing plan for them.
So, we will basically rely on sportive performance in CL. That's basically it. The CL gained an enourmous proportion in the world. Here in Brazil people talk more about CL than the national league sometimes. It's on the open channels, non payed TV. There are Brazilians who support CL teams. They buy the EPL hype.
So we need an aggressive marketing from ADIDAS abroad AND keep competing in CL year after year, playing with the best and actually having a shot at reaching the final. We need this IN ORDER TO increase our revenues, it's not the contrary. So only with near perfect management we will reach this performance level.
This is not the 70s and 80s anymore. No company will give us money like Gianni used to do. Things are much more controled now, there are far more interests. In the past, the company belonged only to the Agnelli's. Gianni could actually do whatever he wanted with his money. Now the company belongs not only to the Agnellis, but to all shareholders. There are thousands of them. If they are unsatisfied, they will want to sell their stocks and the company's value will drop. Thus we can't expect to have a passionate godfather who will pump money in anymore, unless an oil arabic magnate buys us.
Thus my only hope is Andrea Agnelli. I still consider him to be a good willed, young, ambitious smart man who is passionate about Juve. We have to remember this before we weep about Elkann, who runs Exxor in a very good way, and in the most professional way. The guy simply can't do favours to Juventus, Exxor is not his company, it's the shareholders company.
If Andrea fails to see and perceive this, we are screwed. We can't continue to look to Italy. We have to compare ourselves to the biggest clubs in the world, the 1st tier. And then be humble and accept we are in the 2nd tier now, in terms of revenues and prestige. We have to look to clubs like Dortmund and Atletico and learn with what they do. We have to be ambitious.
We have to accept that we no longer stand in the prestigious position we've alwas stood till 10 years ago, throughout most of our history. We are not there anymore. We belong there, but to come back it will be a huge challenge and task, given the enourmous financial abysm between us and the top 8 clubs in the world. And this abysm will only be overcame with top world class quality management.
Marotta does a good job with the little finances he gets. He's completing again the task that was set before him.
Your list was a good example. "wingers, am's etc". We dont have all that money to do that, and its not that big of a priority.
We have an excellent first team and we are strenghtening the bench significantly and adding options. We are not looking into getting new starters
Your list was a good example. "wingers, am's etc". We dont have all that money to do that, and its not that big of a priority.
We have an excellent first team and we are strenghtening the bench significantly and adding options. We are not looking into getting new starters
These are the top 20 clubs of the world in terms of revenue, in the 2012-13 season (probably the financial reports were concluded in 2014):
1 Real Madrid --------------------------518.9 Spain 1
2 Barcelona --------------------------482.6 Spain 2
3 Bayern Munich --------------------431.2 Germany 4
4 Manchester United --------------423.8 England 3
5 Paris Saint-Germain --------------398.8 France 10
6 Manchester City ------------------ --316.2 England 7
7 Chelsea -------------------------303.4 England 5
8 Arsenal -------------------------284.3 England 6
9 Juventus -------------------------272.4 Italy 13
10 Milan -------------------------------263.5 Italy 8
11 Borussia Dortmund --------------256.2 Germany 12
12 Liverpool --------------------------240.6 England 9
13 Schalke 04 -------------------------198.2 Germany 15
14 Tottenham --------------------------172 England 14
15 Internazionale -------------------168.8 Italy 11
16 Galatasaray --------------------------157 Turkey
17 Hamburg-------------------------- 135.4 Germany 20
18 Fenerbahçe -----------------------126.4 Turkey 31+
19 Roma -----------------------------124.4 Italy 21
20 Atlético Madrid------------------- 120
Now, look. Dortmund was exceptionally high because of CL final. Ours was also exceptionally high because of CL money divided between us and Milan only.
With the new sponsorships, we will probably be able to reach the 280/290M mark every year without counting CL performance. Agnelli has said for a while that achieveing the 300M mark without counting on CL is his goal.
So in 2015-16 if we reach CL quarters, for example, I'd bet on a revenue around 320/330M.
But we also have to take into account that other club's revenues will grow, as they are growing right now.
Also, we have constant losses of around 20-30M every year. So the revenue increasing doesn't mean it will all reflect in the transfer market. Part of it yes, but mostly it will be used to cover losses and make the club sustainable.
And this will be our financial ceilling for a while. The stadium was the first big leap; the new contracts the second. And the third has to be merchandising, but this is only in the long run.
So IMO our annual revenue, in normal conditions, is good enough and it will continue this way for the foreseeable future to make us border 8th/10th richer team of Europe. In other words, top 2nd tier.
We will play with big boys only if our board do a crazy good job regarding CL competition, with Adidas help to expand the brand, thus increasing merchandising revenue.
Also, the improvement in Italy's economy and of Serie A in general is a major factor, but this is not under our control, and isn't happening in the foreseeable future.
1 Real Madrid --------------------------518.9 Spain 1
2 Barcelona --------------------------482.6 Spain 2
3 Bayern Munich --------------------431.2 Germany 4
4 Manchester United --------------423.8 England 3
5 Paris Saint-Germain --------------398.8 France 10
6 Manchester City ------------------ --316.2 England 7
7 Chelsea -------------------------303.4 England 5
8 Arsenal -------------------------284.3 England 6
9 Juventus -------------------------272.4 Italy 13
10 Milan -------------------------------263.5 Italy 8
11 Borussia Dortmund --------------256.2 Germany 12
12 Liverpool --------------------------240.6 England 9
13 Schalke 04 -------------------------198.2 Germany 15
14 Tottenham --------------------------172 England 14
15 Internazionale -------------------168.8 Italy 11
16 Galatasaray --------------------------157 Turkey
17 Hamburg-------------------------- 135.4 Germany 20
18 Fenerbahçe -----------------------126.4 Turkey 31+
19 Roma -----------------------------124.4 Italy 21
20 Atlético Madrid------------------- 120
Now, look. Dortmund was exceptionally high because of CL final. Ours was also exceptionally high because of CL money divided between us and Milan only.
With the new sponsorships, we will probably be able to reach the 280/290M mark every year without counting CL performance. Agnelli has said for a while that achieveing the 300M mark without counting on CL is his goal.
So in 2015-16 if we reach CL quarters, for example, I'd bet on a revenue around 320/330M.
But we also have to take into account that other club's revenues will grow, as they are growing right now.
Also, we have constant losses of around 20-30M every year. So the revenue increasing doesn't mean it will all reflect in the transfer market. Part of it yes, but mostly it will be used to cover losses and make the club sustainable.
And this will be our financial ceilling for a while. The stadium was the first big leap; the new contracts the second. And the third has to be merchandising, but this is only in the long run.
So IMO our annual revenue, in normal conditions, is good enough and it will continue this way for the foreseeable future to make us border 8th/10th richer team of Europe. In other words, top 2nd tier.
We will play with big boys only if our board do a crazy good job regarding CL competition, with Adidas help to expand the brand, thus increasing merchandising revenue.
Also, the improvement in Italy's economy and of Serie A in general is a major factor, but this is not under our control, and isn't happening in the foreseeable future.
He commited 55M to spend, spread in the next 2 or 3 years. Is this little? He commited to pay 20M for Morata and 17M for Pereyra. 8M for Romulo and maybe 11M for Sturaro. Also set an agreement of 15M for 1/2 Berardi next season.
Yes, we do have the money to make annual signings of 15/20M, like he did with Morata, Pereyra, Tevez, Asamoah, Isla, Ogbonna, Vucinic, Matri, etc.
All these guys listed above cost at least 15M. This season alone he commited to spend more than 50M in the next years.
We are not dirt poor like you like to think. This is enough money to at least sign players for the correct positions.
As I've said before: we need pacey forwards, we need a creative AM. We don't have those players. But we have 5 great CMs (Pirlo, Asamoah, Marchisio, Vidal, Pogba); we have 2 great CFs (Llorente and Tevez). Yet instead of investing those 37M of Morata and Pereyra in the positions we literally have no one, he invested in the positions we are already settled.
It's not a matter of players to be starters or not. It's getting players who will add different options to the squad.
Yes, we do have the money to make annual signings of 15/20M, like he did with Morata, Pereyra, Tevez, Asamoah, Isla, Ogbonna, Vucinic, Matri, etc.
All these guys listed above cost at least 15M. This season alone he commited to spend more than 50M in the next years.
We are not dirt poor like you like to think. This is enough money to at least sign players for the correct positions.
As I've said before: we need pacey forwards, we need a creative AM. We don't have those players. But we have 5 great CMs (Pirlo, Asamoah, Marchisio, Vidal, Pogba); we have 2 great CFs (Llorente and Tevez). Yet instead of investing those 37M of Morata and Pereyra in the positions we literally have no one, he invested in the positions we are already settled.
It's not a matter of players to be starters or not. It's getting players who will add different options to the squad.
I agree that it wasn't a bad transfer because of his upside, even though we had to overpay for him in order to extend the payment, and there's also the risk of the buyback clause.
However, I agree it was a no-brainer. Llorente's playing style doesn't require too much athleticism. It's more strenght and positioning. I don't think he will decline so soon. It should take a few years IMO.
Tevez on the other hand is a SS and yes, he may decline even this season, since his playing style requires acceleration, agility, explosion, pace. But I could see him playing well as a CF, he's strong enough to play with his back to the defender, and he actually does it all the time in the 352.
A no-brainer IMO is getting a young SS or winger, a kind of player we simply don't have in the squad. Llorente may age but he's still there.
However, I agree it was a no-brainer. Llorente's playing style doesn't require too much athleticism. It's more strenght and positioning. I don't think he will decline so soon. It should take a few years IMO.
Tevez on the other hand is a SS and yes, he may decline even this season, since his playing style requires acceleration, agility, explosion, pace. But I could see him playing well as a CF, he's strong enough to play with his back to the defender, and he actually does it all the time in the 352.
A no-brainer IMO is getting a young SS or winger, a kind of player we simply don't have in the squad. Llorente may age but he's still there.
What you want, is more flair and fancy and attractive players. And not look past that.
Hey, i also like creative trequartista geniusses, and fast pacy strikers, preferably Ronaldo(brazilian) and Weah. But you need to look past that
We have 2 forwards both relatively old. Morata is an excellent idea
We cannot afford 2 wingers that are starters. This is extremely clear. We kinda miss an offensive cm option aswel. Pereyra is a versatile player that can play just about every position on the midfield. And he can also play on the wing and do a fine job. Same with Romulo who is a decent cm and right winger. Both will not be the starters for a wing based juventus. They are the backup wingers.
With Coman here now and Berardi in the waiting room, we need backup wingers, cause the moment one of those two explodes, we can switch wings with Pereyra or romulo as the opposite winger for the time beeing.
And all the team needs to do when that happens, is get an opposite winger, and voila. Coman/Berardi on one side with the new winger on the other and the stand in wingers are allready there. Considering our low financial options, its good to do that now
Sturaro is an investment in a very promising player and we should support this.
berardi is quite obvious
With Allegri here and our board not sure how he'll do, Marotta decided to not persuit a bigger player, and instead put the foundations of a wing based formation, and move the risk and bigger purchases to next year when Allegri's position will be more clear (or we get a bigger coach) and our finances are better considering new deals and a better CL campaign
Hey, i also like creative trequartista geniusses, and fast pacy strikers, preferably Ronaldo(brazilian) and Weah. But you need to look past that
We have 2 forwards both relatively old. Morata is an excellent idea
We cannot afford 2 wingers that are starters. This is extremely clear. We kinda miss an offensive cm option aswel. Pereyra is a versatile player that can play just about every position on the midfield. And he can also play on the wing and do a fine job. Same with Romulo who is a decent cm and right winger. Both will not be the starters for a wing based juventus. They are the backup wingers.
With Coman here now and Berardi in the waiting room, we need backup wingers, cause the moment one of those two explodes, we can switch wings with Pereyra or romulo as the opposite winger for the time beeing.
And all the team needs to do when that happens, is get an opposite winger, and voila. Coman/Berardi on one side with the new winger on the other and the stand in wingers are allready there. Considering our low financial options, its good to do that now
Sturaro is an investment in a very promising player and we should support this.
berardi is quite obvious
With Allegri here and our board not sure how he'll do, Marotta decided to not persuit a bigger player, and instead put the foundations of a wing based formation, and move the risk and bigger purchases to next year when Allegri's position will be more clear (or we get a bigger coach) and our finances are better considering new deals and a better CL campaign
Totally agree with this. Totally.
This. Dont get me wrong. Im mad that we are not getting certain players and overespending. But what u said here is our reality. The reality is that things have changed a lot and the money loss between 2006 and 2010 didnt helped.
About Exxor group and Elkann, yes, they are running that business very good and simply cannot commit that funds to juventus.
This is what i think too TBH. Merchandising can get us so far right now... but to sell merchandise to the point we want, we need to be famous worldwide, which in the end , all the paths lead Juve to the same thing :
yes, THE CL.
I remember someone here in tuz, stating that he would be happy if we won gazillions scudettos at the expense of CL results. Thats just plain wrong.
The CL is the playing field we need to demonstrate because doing good in the CL, is like free advertising. its our shortcut to quick sucess and money!! without depending on the other italy scrubs teams. You get more sponsors, more fans, and it all result in a media brainwash that lets the brand expand. Is not only about winning against galataaray, or about passing the group stage... is about delivering memorable games and being up there with the best, year after year. And who knows! if we get lick we can reach a semifinal or sumthing.
THIS is our most realistic opportunity to exponencially make the brand grow in a short period.
About Beppe, DOnt know man, dont know. He has done his fair share of good businesses and bad ones. He is an inmense impro from Secco, but yeh, we cannot hide the fact that we are overespending on dubious players like Isla and martinez. Just too much money.
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I agree with you in a couple of things.
First, im no mad at our adquisitions this year, just at the price we paid for certain players.
I think our team is pretty good for our actual budget and level, and in fact i think we underperformed heavily last year in the CL, so we should be good this one. In theory.
This. Dont get me wrong. Im mad that we are not getting certain players and overespending. But what u said here is our reality. The reality is that things have changed a lot and the money loss between 2006 and 2010 didnt helped.
About Exxor group and Elkann, yes, they are running that business very good and simply cannot commit that funds to juventus.
This is what i think too TBH. Merchandising can get us so far right now... but to sell merchandise to the point we want, we need to be famous worldwide, which in the end , all the paths lead Juve to the same thing :
yes, THE CL.
I remember someone here in tuz, stating that he would be happy if we won gazillions scudettos at the expense of CL results. Thats just plain wrong.
The CL is the playing field we need to demonstrate because doing good in the CL, is like free advertising. its our shortcut to quick sucess and money!! without depending on the other italy scrubs teams. You get more sponsors, more fans, and it all result in a media brainwash that lets the brand expand. Is not only about winning against galataaray, or about passing the group stage... is about delivering memorable games and being up there with the best, year after year. And who knows! if we get lick we can reach a semifinal or sumthing.
THIS is our most realistic opportunity to exponencially make the brand grow in a short period.
About Beppe, DOnt know man, dont know. He has done his fair share of good businesses and bad ones. He is an inmense impro from Secco, but yeh, we cannot hide the fact that we are overespending on dubious players like Isla and martinez. Just too much money.
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I agree with you in a couple of things.
First, im no mad at our adquisitions this year, just at the price we paid for certain players.
I think our team is pretty good for our actual budget and level, and in fact i think we underperformed heavily last year in the CL, so we should be good this one. In theory.
Good coaches can set themselves apart by using a system that amplifies their best players, and get most out of the lesser talented supporting ones to enhance the system
Allegri inherents a far better team then he had when he won his scudetto
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Even if that had the probaby best CB in the world and Zlatan
Allegri inherents a far better team then he had when he won his scudetto
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Even if that had the probaby best CB in the world and Zlatan
Look, I'm not delusional to the point of wanting flair and fancy and great fast dribbling forwards who will start right away.
I'm just pointing out that I'd rather see the investment in young players with different characteristics from Morata and Pereyra. They are not bad deals by themselves given the players' quality or upside, but Marotta misses in terms of evaluating the squad priorities, and this is not entirely new.
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Yep, but competition was horrible at that time. Inter was alreay shitty. Napolo and Roma were far and away of the quality they've put together till today. Fiorentina also improved a lot.
I can't judge Allegri so far, too early for that and I didn't follow his work closely at Milan. He was given horrible material to work with. I used to despise his crying for referee's performance benefiting Juve though, it was such a loser's atittude. Everytime I think about him I imagine him like a big crying baby with no balls or personality.
But we have yet to see his work to judge.
I'm just pointing out that I'd rather see the investment in young players with different characteristics from Morata and Pereyra. They are not bad deals by themselves given the players' quality or upside, but Marotta misses in terms of evaluating the squad priorities, and this is not entirely new.
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Yep, but competition was horrible at that time. Inter was alreay shitty. Napolo and Roma were far and away of the quality they've put together till today. Fiorentina also improved a lot.
I can't judge Allegri so far, too early for that and I didn't follow his work closely at Milan. He was given horrible material to work with. I used to despise his crying for referee's performance benefiting Juve though, it was such a loser's atittude. Everytime I think about him I imagine him like a big crying baby with no balls or personality.
But we have yet to see his work to judge.
i agree with zacheryah and what he said, a couple of years before we were in seria B at that point if anyone said in few years we will build a new stadium and get the scuditto three times in a row will be considerate crazy.
juve is progressing fine, slow and steady we have a the best team but its old and getting older ever year, putting all the money in one player will not solve the age issue we need to keep investing in young players.
i think the age problems will starting kicking out this year, the next two years will be tough alot of players will leave and many will come to put this team in new younger shape.
juve is progressing fine, slow and steady we have a the best team but its old and getting older ever year, putting all the money in one player will not solve the age issue we need to keep investing in young players.
i think the age problems will starting kicking out this year, the next two years will be tough alot of players will leave and many will come to put this team in new younger shape.
