The Financial Situation (90 Viewers)

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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from 197 to 266/276 in one season ?

even considering Cl, thats an incredible number, certainly this is far to high
From 213M and yes it's big increase. It just shows you what better and more competent management can achieve. Under Blanc and co we underachieved in every way.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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its 197, and that year was last year and thus agnelli.

I trust he can get us to 300 without CL, but not the first year(s)
Page 86 http://www.juventus.com/wps/wcm/myc...&CACHEID=6442be79-5ed1-461d-844b-59ae27a1db99
It states Total revenues 213M. You got that number 197 probably from Deloitte and they tend to make mistake now and then.
In two years time we will achieve 300M and those are realistic expectations based on our potential. We''ll receive more money for TV rights in Serie A. It was posted somewhere I don't know the exact number but it seems more than 100M which is +10M increasement, more money from sponsors, tickets, marketing... Juventus will compete with Real, Man Utd, Barcelona very soon. Those are the major goals this management has. AA stated it couple of times. In two years time their goal was to win Serie A, in 5 years CL and to catch up financially with European powerhouses. We have steady business behind us to back us if necessary as they did in the past.
Can anyone tell if there is a bonus for winning games?
As far as I know there is no such bonus.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
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how much is our yearly gate revenue now? I'm guessing it's below 50 million euros?

how are we going to compete with the other big clubs if our gate revenue can only reach 1/3 of them?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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how much is our yearly gate revenue now? I'm guessing it's below 50 million euros?

how are we going to compete with the other big clubs if our gate revenue can only reach 1/3 of them?
Ticket sales are just one part of our revenue. Even when we were in top 3 clubs we made far less from tickets than Man Utd for an example. This year with CL we'll earn around 40M from ticket sales and other stadium services. We made huge improvement an increase of 360% in comparison to 2011. Now we must focus on other areas and how to improve them. The key is to have various types of revenue so you don't depend heavily on one kind. In this way you're less exposed to risk connected with it. When we reach 300M in total revenues we'll be in top 5 clubs.
 

Cuti

The Real MC
Jul 30, 2006
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Champions da 60 milioni: Juve più ricca senza il Milan

14 marzo alle 08:15

Da unica italiana in Champions avrà una fetta più grande dei ricavi da diritti tv. I bianconeri avranno altri due milioni ai quarti di finale.
Senza Milan, Juve più ricca: un jackpot da 60 milioni.
La Champions logora chi non ce l’ha (più). A partire dagli incassi a bilancio se da qui in avanti, con l’eliminazione del Milan, la Juve si prenderà l’intera fetta «nazionale» dei ricavi da diritti tv, da unica italiana rimasta. Per il prossimo giro, i quarti, siamo attorno ai due milioni di euro, secondo le stime Uefa. Che si aggiungeranno a un già discreto fatturato: 48,9 milioni di euro, tra la cifra nella semestrale bianconera, al 31 dicembre 2012, e i recenti guadagni di questo 2013, gonfiati dal gettone Uefa per i quarti e dall’incasso della sfida contro il Celtic. Grazie all’aumento del jackpot totale della Champions, passato da 754 a 910,3 milioni, i bianconeri hanno già superato i 41,73 milioni raschiati la scorsa stagione dal Bayern Monaco, sconfitto in finale. E di certo, chi trionferà a Londra, straccerà pure il bingo del Chelsea, che alla fine guadagnò 59,395 milioni. «Il fronte dei ricavi dovrà essere maggiormente sviluppato per garantire una competitività a livello continentale - scrisse agli azionisti Andrea Agnelli - e l’accesso alla Champions ci aiuterà nel raggiungimento di questo obiettivo».

Ormai è questo il caveau del pallone, dal quale dipendono i bilanci delle big e, va da sè, il loro shopping. E se la mancanza della Champions aveva appesantito i libri contabili bianconeri, ora la sua presenza, e permanenza, lascia solo imprevisti positivi: «L’andamento sportivo nel finale della stagione - spiegava infatti la relazione finanziaria semestrale approvata lo scorso 28 febbraio - potrà ancora avere riflessi, anche significativi, sul risultato dell’esercizio». Come gli oltre sei milioni arrivati dall’incrocio con il Celtic o i 4,9 milioni in palio per la semifinale. Fino alla tombola della finale di Wembley.

Poi, chiaro, c’è pure un capitolo spese, non monetarie ma di logorio fisico, dei giocatori: cioè le partite in più che toccheranno ai bianconeri, infilate nel menù del campionato. Una effetto collaterale che potrebbe però essere attutito dal più nove in classifica: «bel numero, in questo momento», diceva l’altro giorno John Elkann. Non ti puoi appisolare, ma concederti un errore, sì. Delle sei partite potenzialmente attorno alle date europee, quattro paiono delicate, almeno sulla carta. S’attacca con due trasferte toste: a casa Inter, sabato 30 (a meno di anticipi al venerdì sera), prima dell’andata dei quarti, e a Roma contro la Lazio, la domenica seguente alla gara di ritorno. In caso si accesso alle semifinali, in calendario il 23-24 aprile e il 30 e primo maggio, spunta invece il derby con il Toro, fissato al 28. Sarebbe peggio non giocarle, disse però Antonio Conte un anno fa, quando la Juve in settimana se ne stava davanti alla tv a guardare gli altri: «Altro che favoriti, noi che siamo senza Coppe - sbottò il tecnico - io quando penso alla Champions, rosico. Anzi, alle altre squadre chiedo un favore: se è un peso, lasciate perdere per favore, ci andiamo noi».

Del resto, pare che il tecnico bianconero abbia subito trovato il vaccino: nelle partite prima e dopo i viaggi europei (13), la Juve ha tenuto una media pazzesca (2,38 punti a gara), meglio di quella dell’intero campionato (2,21), e di tutti quelli fatti dal club da quanto ci sono i tre punti, cioè negli ultimi 19 anni. Dieci vittorie, un pareggio e due sconfitte. Spremuti dal turnover, il più delle volte notevole, e dalla concentrazione di gente che ha imparato in fretta ad affrontare duelli in serie. E che, pure quando lo scudetto pareva in bilico, non voleva scegliere, tra tricolore e Champions. «Vogliamo entrambe, perché la Juve gioca sempre per vincere», riassunse Elkann dopo il colpo al Celtic Park. Anche se poi, sulle strade d’Europa molto dipenderà dal nemico che il sorteggio, domani, ti metterà di fronte. Per le finanze juventine, invece, lo show è già assicurato: comunque vada, è stato un successo.


(Massimiliano Nerozzi - La Stampa)

We've already earned more this year from the Champions League than Bayern did last year (when they lost in the final)
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Well Bayern made ~64m in total last year for reaching the final.

For us,making that amount by just reaching the last 8 is simply incredible.See, this is one big advantage of not seeing more Italian sides in CL.

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We can earn a lot more by making semis.Hopefully Platini gives us a reasonable draw :claire:
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
Well Bayern made ~64m in total last year for reaching the final.

For us,making that amount by just reaching the last 8 is simply incredible.See, this is one big advantage of not seeing more Italian sides in CL.

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We can earn a lot more by making semis.Hopefully Platini gives us a reasonable draw :claire:
I don't care about cooficients and all that, but what about the time after 5 or more years, when no one but us qualifies and italy looses even more points, wouldn't that make the money pot smaller and the league as a whole less atrractive?
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Well Bayern made ~64m in total last year for reaching the final.

For us,making that amount by just reaching the last 8 is simply incredible.See, this is one big advantage of not seeing more Italian sides in CL.

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We can earn a lot more by making semis.Hopefully Platini gives us a reasonable draw :claire:
In the text if I'm understanding correctly they point out that Bayern made 41M last year and that we already made more.
I don't care about cooficients and all that, but what about the time after 5 or more years, when no one but us qualifies and italy looses even more points, wouldn't that make the money pot smaller and the league as a whole less atrractive?
For that to happen Italy would need to collect less than 10 points per season in the next 5 years while the likes of Ukraine, Netherlands and Russia would need to step up a bit. Very difficult to happen.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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I don't care about cooficients and all that, but what about the time after 5 or more years, when no one but us qualifies and italy looses even more points, wouldn't that make the money pot smaller and the league as a whole less atrractive?
Fair enough,but i dont think it will happen i mean i dont see Italian sides performing to such a poor level.

I remember some people here were distraught to see Udinese finishing 3rd last season.Well as you see ,them not being there has got us that much money in the first place.

I dont mean to say this will happen everytime though.We should just be happy that Juve after returning to the CL after a brief period of time has raked in good amount of money this year.

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In the text if I'm understanding correctly they point out that Bayern made 41M last year and that we already made more.

For that to happen Italy would need to collect less than 10 points per season in the next 5 years while the likes of Ukraine, Netherlands and Russia would need to step up a bit. Very difficult to happen.
Fair enough.

But i did read somewhere(and i am sure of it) that Bayern made 60m+ last year.Maybe this is excluding sponsorships ,gate revenue and such.But i'm sure overall they made more than 41m.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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CL Prize Money and TV revenue is UEFA sponsored money(the rest i.e Sponsorships and ticket sales is independant of UEFA) .So i'm sure those earnings mentioned in the article is only taking these two aspects into account.

Which means we would have made more than 41m this year taking everything into account.(And likewise Bayern and Chelsea made more than the figures mentioned in the article)
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
Fair enough,but i dont think it will happen i mean i dont see Italian sides performing to such a poor level.

I remember some people here were distraught to see Udinese finishing 3rd last season.Well as you see ,them not being there has got us that much money in the first place.

I dont mean to say this will happen everytime though.We should just be happy that Juve after returning to the CL after a brief period of time has raked in good amount of money this year.
I'm not saying it will happen, but just a thought. Since I couldn't care less how other teams do in CL besides Juve. I just prefer other italians won't win it.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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CL Prize Money and TV revenue is UEFA sponsored money(the rest i.e Sponsorships and ticket sales is independant of UEFA) .So i'm sure those earnings mentioned in the article is only taking these two aspects into account.

Which means we would have made more than 41m this year taking everything into account.
Of course. Tickets which we sold till now and revenues like bonuses from our sponsors are accounted separately.
 

Socrates

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2012
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Fair enough.

But i did read somewhere(and i am sure of it) that Bayern made 60m+ last year.Maybe this is excluding sponsorships ,gate revenue and such.But i'm sure overall they made more than 41m.
We are talking about UEFA payments for Champions League here. That includes prize money and TV money. We aren't counting ticket sales or other tv deals or merchandising or anything like that. Obviously the champions league is going to make a team other money besides UEFA payments. It will vary from team to team though.

Last year UEFA paid Bayern 41million. http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Finance/01/84/05/87/1840587_DOWNLOAD.pdf
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
22,652
We are talking about UEFA payments for Champions League here. That includes prize money and TV money. We aren't counting ticket sales or other tv deals or merchandising or anything like that. Obviously the champions league is going to make a team other money besides UEFA payments. It will vary from team to team though.

Last year UEFA paid Bayern 41million. http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Finance/01/84/05/87/1840587_DOWNLOAD.pdf
So the three Italian clubs received more than the German ones. Interesting.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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So the three Italian clubs received more than the German ones. Interesting.
Television market pool for Serie A is higher than Bundesliga is most probably the reason for it.

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We are talking about UEFA payments for Champions League here. That includes prize money and TV money. We aren't counting ticket sales or other tv deals or merchandising or anything like that. Obviously the champions league is going to make a team other money besides UEFA payments. It will vary from team to team though.

Last year UEFA paid Bayern 41million. http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Finance/01/84/05/87/1840587_DOWNLOAD.pdf
:tup: Yep.Got it.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Television market pool for Serie A is higher than Bundesliga is most probably the reason for it.

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That's why I said interesting. Serie A isn't in such a bad state as some claim to be. Especially if you listen to English commentators you would get the feeling that Armenia is gonna catch up with Italy very soon.
 

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