The Doped Lady (4 Viewers)

[Kaiser Franco]

I was going to say

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Azzurri7]

This doping thing is getting silly

 

[xziz]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Since you seem to know so much about Berlusconi I'm really curious to hear your theory on how television stations and publishing companies qualifies as MAFIA MONEY. Since these make up Berlusconi's largest assets and money makers I want to hear HOW you labelled these industries MAFIA MONEY.

Please explain to ALL OF US XZIZ how Berlusconi's TELEVISION STATIONS AND PUBLISHING COMPANIES are MAFIA MONEY. If you can please explain how MAFIA MONEY COMES INTO PLAY when revenue comes from advertising, syndication and overseas syndication. I'm really curious to see how the MAFIA fits into these industries...

I am glad you asked.

 

[xziz]

from: http://sport.virgilio.it/it/cmc/calcio/200450/cmc_75554.html

Doping, una lista incastra la Serie A?
06 12 2004
Doping, a list frames Serie A teams

Grazia Neri
Di certo c’è una cosa: anche se sarà giudicata colpevole, la Juventus non perderà ne scudetti né trofei internazionali. Per la legge sportiva, il “caso Juve” è ormai in prescrizione, per l’Uefa non è previsto il doping come ragione per la revoca di titoli o trofei conquistati sul campo.
One thing is sure, even if Juventus will be convicted will not loose Italian league nor international titles. Given the doping case for Italian sport justice is proscribed, while UEFA does not contemplate doping as a reason to revoke titles won on the field.

La Juve, da questo punto di vista, non ha nulla da temere. E, sentendo anche le recenti parole dell’amministratore delegato bianconero, Giraudo, non ha nulla da temere nemmeno per il prosieguo del processo a carico del medico sociale.

La società bianconera, infatti, sarebbe in possesso di una famigerata “lista nera” che traccia l’utilizzo farmacologico di tutti i club di serie A. E, secondo la stessa Juventus, il club bianconero sarebbe a metà strada tra quelle squadre che hanno abusato di più e quelle squadre che hanno abusato di meno, se così si può dire.
The club would be in possession of a spreadsheet tracing the use of farmaceuticals for all the serie A clubs. According to Juventus they would position half the way in this list, and not as the top abuser.

Una lista nera che, qualora spuntasse davvero, potrebbe inguaiare metà Serie A. In realtà, questa lista, per quanto se ne sa, è stata costruita sulle autodenunce dei giocatori di A prima dell’esame antidoping.

Prima di rilasciare la provetta, ciascun giocatore chiamato all’antidoping deve dichiarare se e quali farmaci ha assunto in settimana. Allo stesso modo, il ricettario bianconero era stato ricostruito da Guariniello.

L’accusa sostiene che in questa lista la Juve sia ai vertici della “classifica” – specie quando si conteggiano i farmaci più contestati - mentre in Corso Galileo Ferraris si sostiene diversamente.

Fatto sta che per la Juventus, e forse anche per quei club che risulteranno nei quartieri alti della classifica del farmaco presente in questa famigerata “lista nera”, la recente sentenza “Gillet” (ex portiere del Bari trovato positivo per nandrolone) rischia di risultare fatale.

Il portiere belga, infatti, ha visto la sua assoluzione annullata dalla Cassazione per uso di nandrolone e abuso di farmaci non dopanti ma affini e usati per scopo non terapeutico. La presenza di questa sentenza potrebbe non lasciare molte speranze ad Agricola.

E non solo: la riapertura del caso Gillet potrebbe riaprire molti processi tra cui quello ad Edgar Davids, Jaap Stam e Fernando Couto. Presto, per loro, il rinvio a giudizio.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

good post, xziz

 

[Layce Erayce]

xziz- respect.


heres the economist article
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1763981

...[Berlusconi has] come under investigation for, among other things, money-laundering, complicity in murder, connections with the mafia, tax evasion and the bribing of politicians, judges and the tax police.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Respect for what exactly? For copying and pasting the cover of the Economist to which I happen to have been a subscriber for 5 years and an article with a blatant pro-Juve tone?

 

[Emma]

I dont think a writer of the economist is going to write on article based on his preferred football team. Get real

 

[JCK]

again the theory that Milanistas claim to be on top of the world is also confirmed, I wonder where is this trauma coming from

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
I dont think a writer of the economist is going to write on article based on his preferred football team. Get real

I am alluding to the article in Italian xziz posted. The paper version of that Economist article on Berlusca's unfitness to govern Italy - a subject which, without wanting to sound pedantic, I believe I master better than anyone on this forum - I had read some three and a half years ago. I must probably still have it somewhere here under a pile of old magazines

Jeeks, pardon?

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
again the theory that Milanistas claim to be on top of the world is also confirmed, I wonder where is this trauma coming from

San Siro

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by xziz ] ++
from: http://sport.virgilio.it/it/cmc/calcio/200450/cmc_75554.html

Doping, una lista incastra la Serie A?
06 12 2004
Doping, a list frames Serie A teams

Grazia Neri
Di certo c’è una cosa: anche se sarà giudicata colpevole, la Juventus non perderà ne scudetti né trofei internazionali. Per la legge sportiva, il “caso Juve” è ormai in prescrizione, per l’Uefa non è previsto il doping come ragione per la revoca di titoli o trofei conquistati sul campo.
One thing is sure, even if Juventus will be convicted will not loose Italian league nor international titles. Given the doping case for Italian sport justice is proscribed, while UEFA does not contemplate doping as a reason to revoke titles won on the field.

La Juve, da questo punto di vista, non ha nulla da temere. E, sentendo anche le recenti parole dell’amministratore delegato bianconero, Giraudo, non ha nulla da temere nemmeno per il prosieguo del processo a carico del medico sociale.

La società bianconera, infatti, sarebbe in possesso di una famigerata “lista nera” che traccia l’utilizzo farmacologico di tutti i club di serie A. E, secondo la stessa Juventus, il club bianconero sarebbe a metà strada tra quelle squadre che hanno abusato di più e quelle squadre che hanno abusato di meno, se così si può dire.
The club would be in possession of a spreadsheet tracing the use of farmaceuticals for all the serie A clubs. According to Juventus they would position half the way in this list, and not as the top abuser.

Una lista nera che, qualora spuntasse davvero, potrebbe inguaiare metà Serie A. In realtà, questa lista, per quanto se ne sa, è stata costruita sulle autodenunce dei giocatori di A prima dell’esame antidoping.

Prima di rilasciare la provetta, ciascun giocatore chiamato all’antidoping deve dichiarare se e quali farmaci ha assunto in settimana. Allo stesso modo, il ricettario bianconero era stato ricostruito da Guariniello.

L’accusa sostiene che in questa lista la Juve sia ai vertici della “classifica” – specie quando si conteggiano i farmaci più contestati - mentre in Corso Galileo Ferraris si sostiene diversamente.

Fatto sta che per la Juventus, e forse anche per quei club che risulteranno nei quartieri alti della classifica del farmaco presente in questa famigerata “lista nera”, la recente sentenza “Gillet” (ex portiere del Bari trovato positivo per nandrolone) rischia di risultare fatale.

Il portiere belga, infatti, ha visto la sua assoluzione annullata dalla Cassazione per uso di nandrolone e abuso di farmaci non dopanti ma affini e usati per scopo non terapeutico. La presenza di questa sentenza potrebbe non lasciare molte speranze ad Agricola.

E non solo: la riapertura del caso Gillet potrebbe riaprire molti processi tra cui quello ad Edgar Davids, Jaap Stam e Fernando Couto. Presto, per loro, il rinvio a giudizio.

Class

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by xziz ] ++


I am glad you asked.

You stated Berlusconi buys players with MAFIA MONEY.

I STATED that this has nothing to do with Juve's DOPING TRIAL and more importantly to DEMONSTRATE HOW television stations and publishing companies can be classified as MAFIA MONEY.
YOUR REPLY: YOU POST AN ARTICLE WHICH STATES THAT BERLUCSCONI IS NOT FIT TO GOVERN ITALY.

What in the world does the fact that he cannot govern Italy as the proper Prime Minister have to do with ItaliaUno, ReteQuattro, (tv stations) and Publishing companies being Mafia Money?!
Next time you want to have a debate with me THINK AND REASON because NONE OF THE TWO are being attempted here.

I'm still shaking my head over this:

Q: Show me how Television stations and Publishing companies are MAFIA MONEY.

Answer: Article on HOW he is not a good Prime Minister/Leader.

What is even more amazing is the sheer stupidity of some of you in here that actually applauded this post which made no sense whatsoever. You call Kaiser PRO-MILAN...What the hell does that make you? SOmeone makes a reasoning that is borderline childish and you all nod in unison like brainwashed pigeons.

 

[Layce Erayce]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Respect for what exactly? For copying and pasting the cover of the Economist to which I happen to have been a subscriber for 5 years and an article with a blatant pro-Juve tone?

what emma said

respect for the second article he posted. Im trying to read up on as much about the doping case as i can.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++

...I believe I master better than anyone on this forum ...

Jeeks, pardon?

You answered your question before asking it

The more you (you as in Milan fans) talk the more you show how arrogant you are!!!

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Yep, arrogance is the cornerstone of what being a Milan fan is all about . At least we don't talk with the sole aim of creating a dialogue of the deaf, though.

 

[Emma]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Q: Show me how Television stations and Publishing companies are MAFIA MONEY.

Answer: Article on HOW he is not a good Prime Minister/Leader.

What is even more amazing is the sheer stupidity of some of you in here that actually applauded this post which made no sense whatsoever. You call Kaiser PRO-MILAN...What the hell does that make you? SOmeone makes a reasoning that is borderline childish and you all nod in unison like brainwashed pigeons.

Just because some people here dont care enough to study Berlusconi like you and kaiser dosent make them stupid. You do realise that noone cares about Italian politics but Italians?

Anyways out of curiosity. Had you been a Juve fan would you be sporting a Berlusconi avatar and would you be so obcessed with him? Dont you think footballing reasons affecting political opinion is alittle skewed?

But dont ask me, ask Franco, hes the ****ing expert

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Yep, arrogance is the cornerstone of what being a Milan fan is all about . At least we don't talk with the sole aim of creating a dialogue of the deaf, though.

With all do respect Libero: "Wise men talk because they have something to say. Common men, because they have to say something." I have a feeling a you pertain to the former, but do not change my view with more posts like the above.

 

[Layce Erayce]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


You stated Berlusconi buys players with MAFIA MONEY.

I STATED that this has nothing to do with Juve's DOPING TRIAL and more importantly to DEMONSTRATE HOW television stations and publishing companies can be classified as MAFIA MONEY.
YOUR REPLY: YOU POST AN ARTICLE WHICH STATES THAT BERLUCSCONI IS NOT FIT TO GOVERN ITALY.

What in the world does the fact that he cannot govern Italy as the proper Prime Minister have to do with ItaliaUno, ReteQuattro, (tv stations) and Publishing companies being Mafia Money?!
Next time you want to have a debate with me THINK AND REASON because NONE OF THE TWO are being attempted here.

I'm still shaking my head over this:

Q: Show me how Television stations and Publishing companies are MAFIA MONEY.

Answer: Article on HOW he is not a good Prime Minister/Leader.

What is even more amazing is the sheer stupidity of some of you in here that actually applauded this post which made no sense whatsoever. You call Kaiser PRO-MILAN...What the hell does that make you? SOmeone makes a reasoning that is borderline childish and you all nod in unison like brainwashed pigeons.

Incubo, nobody applauded his reply to you, feisty-boy

Logical reasoning would lead someone to look into WHY the article said he couldnt govern Italy. All your questions would have been answered if you made a little effort to look into it, Nick.

In fact, I even linked the article for you and xziz. Go find it and read it.

I also dont find any reason to insult people, real, or nonexistent. Your an intelligent person, as can be clearly seen in the effort you put into your posts. Dont taint your law-schooled intelligence with insults.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++


Just because some people here dont care enough to study Berlusconi like you and kaiser dosent make them stupid. You do realise that noone cares about Italian politics but Italians?

Anyways out of curiosity. Had you been a Juve fan would you be sporting a Berlusconi avatar and would you be so obcessed with him? Dont you think footballing reasons affecting political opinion is alittle skewed?

But dont ask me, ask Franco, hes the ****ing expert

Pointless...

if people care or not...
someone made a statement which he basically (proving more and more) he pulled out of his ass and he can't back up in the least. I did not bring it up..so its irrelevant whether anyone cares....I asked a question..I am awaiting an answer.

FACT that most so-called Juventini don't know: Berlusconi's BASE is the Agnelli family...they supported his political plight since day one. Financially. If you think Juve as a team and management is anti-Berlusconi go read a comic book children..maybe you will get a different version of reality.

About your question: once again : UTTERLY FVCKIN IRRELEVANT: I didn't mix politics with football...I simply wanted (and want) an answer :cheesy: