The dark side of Dubai (13 Viewers)

[Osman]

Andries

I don't want to start with the you know I like you and you're one my fav because you know all this by now, but seriously, it's like you ask for these type of replies/posts.


Juve_curr posts an article to discuss something, all you do is say Allah Akbar and throw a sentence or two to provoke a big part of our members here. I'm sorry but I've never heard anyone [muslim member] trying to show off and enlighten others about his sects/religion but rather you're the one asking them and since you're asking them in this way, you're not going to get the reply you expect at times.


Some of the posters replying back at you, don't believe in Religion themselves, but they have a point when they say that you're asking for these type of heated arguments. It's like this always.


Another thing that amazes me and it always comes across my mind when I hear you insulting the prophet for example is that once you made a big drama and had to comment back at me when I called Zlatan Zingaro. Saying that it's a racist thing to call him that. But on the other hand, you insult the Prophet and Jesus most of the times just to make your point when discussing religion/sensitive topics.

I don't see the logic in your way, really.

 

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[Zé Tahir]

Racism is aimed at something you cannot change. You cannot stop being a zingaro. And let's not act as if there is no real risk involved with Islam. Puhlease. It is not the most peaceful religion out there. In fact I'd say the opposite. But hey, we know the arguments. They aren't real muslims. That's not true Islam. Maybe real Nazism was decent as well.

But hey, perhaps I'm wrong and it's just coincidence that the muslim world is "the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race"

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Who knows?

note: most posters replying back at me who don't believe in religion always reply. In casu Lion.

Didn't Europe fit that description not too long ago? Should the rest of the world had written them off then?

Has the Muslim world and Islam always been this way? You're a history buff, don't you know the contribution Islam has made to the world in history? Honestly.

 

[icemaη]

i have to say that the article is spot on, i have no love for dubai

Screw you Rehan, you are supposed to stay off topic, get that?

 

[Seven]

Are you mentally stable? How is that shouting? That's like saying Belgians are involved in shouting rituals: Every Saturday/Sunday they gather in an arena wearing team shirts and shout slogans. Does that make any sense??

It doesn't matter what I think about Scientology, it's what I say. Racism wouldn't be a problem if people only "thought" that way and refrained from acting or speaking out.

Even if that was true, why are you offended by a "non-existent" term? I wouldn't be offended if I was called an infidel by a group of people that believed in the tooth ferry. And by your understanding, we're the same.

Fine. Good for you

1) Yes, Belgians are involved in shouting rituals every Saturday/Sunday. Yes, football IS a ritual. That does make sense. But you're too stubborn to accept a biological/psychological explanation.

2) No, what matters is what you think, don't lie.

3) The word infidel is heavy. It has more meaning than that.

 

[Seven]

Didn't Europe fit that description not too long ago? Should the rest of the world had written them off then?

Has the Muslim world and Islam always been this way? You're a history buff, don't you know the contribution Islam has made to the world in history? Honestly.

Wow.

I don't understand this. Why are you suddenly helping me here?I mean, you give me such an easy conclusion..

You know, if Europe was backwards back then.. but changed..and is now prosperous.. then.. that would mean.. no, it can't be! That the change was good!

 

[Enron]

So the Indians walloped the Yankees last night.

 

[Zé Tahir]

1) Yes, Belgians are involved in shouting rituals every Saturday/Sunday. Yes, football IS a ritual. That does make sense. But you're too stubborn to accept a biological/psychological explanation.

2) No, what matters is what you think, don't lie.

3) The word infidel is heavy. It has more meaning than that.

lol ok so if that is a ritual then why were you referring to it in a negative tone? We both do it so where's the beef? And the call of prayer, as far as I know, isn't allowed to be given on loud speakers in public so why does this bother you?

2) No it doesn't. Don't lie.

3) Kafir means one who rejects. What more do you want it to mean?

Wow.

I don't understand this. Why are you suddenly helping me here?I mean, you give me such an easy conclusion..

You know, if Europe was backwards back then.. but changed..and is now prosperous.. then.. that would mean.. no, it can't be! That the change was good!

What change was that? I'm curious to know what you think.

 

[Mark]

I've been told to come here and bring you the good news: YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!!!

hihi

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So the Indians walloped the Yankees last night.

on their overture, a sign for things to come

 

[Eddy]

Let's make a thread about the dark side of Turkey

juuuudiiiiigeeeeee, lan garotserenk kezi lan

 

[Eddy]

What change was that? I'm curious to know what you think.

I have to agree here Ze, it's become a better and more open society. You don't see the Pope ordering crusades anymore and not everyone is a religious fanatic as they used to be. But I don't see what this has to do with the topic in this thread.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I have to agree here Ze, it's become a better and more open society. You don't see the Pope ordering crusades anymore and not everyone is a religious fanatic anymore.

Sure, I agree with that too. The difference here is that this change coincided with a change in Christian ideology. The Islam that was making contribution to the world is the same Islam as today. Nothing has changed, we've had no reformations, no "ecumenical councils", etc. So is it not possible that the current state of the Muslim world has more to do with other things than Islam?

 

[Eddy]

Sure, I agree with that too. The difference here is that this change coincided with a change in Christian ideology. The Islam that was making contribution to the world is the same Islam as today. Nothing has changed, we've had no reformations, no "ecumenical councils", etc. So is it not possible that the current state of the Muslim world has more to do with other things than Islam?

A very good point you raise, one that boggles the mind but I'm gona have to disagree. To be honest, it's not about a question of Religious reforms, I think it's a question of being well educated. And the education system in the Arab world just started recently, so I'm gona give it some time.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I have to agree here Ze, it's become a better and more open society. You don't see the Pope ordering crusades anymore and not everyone is a religious fanatic anymore.

you don't see them but that does not mean age of crusades is over.

Palestine,9/11,invasion of Afghanstan,Iraq,Great middle east project.......
even today NATO is preparing for a war against Islam.After collapse of Soviets they choose a new enemy.Guess who?


in 1917, a British general, Sir Edmund Allenby, proudly declared "today the wars of the Crusaders are completed," and the British press celebrated his victory with cartoons of Richard the Lion-Hearted looking down at Jerusalem above the caption "At last my dream come true." The colonial powers glorified the Crusaders as their ideological forebears.

as you can see,some ''holiness'' is hiding behind of their every single attempt to gaining control in Muslim lands.

 

[Zé Tahir]

A very good point you raise, one that boggles the mind but I'm gona have to disagree. To be honest, it's not about a question of Religious reforms, I think it's a question of being well educated. And the education system in the Arab world just started recently, so I'm gona give it some time.

You disagree yet in the end there you say education is a problem

 

[Eddy]

you don't see them but that does not mean age of crusades is over.

Palestine,9/11,invasion of Afghanstan,Iraq,Great middle east project.......
even today NATO is preparing for a war against Islam.After collapse of Soviets they choose a new enemy.Guess who?


in 1917, a British general, Sir Edmund Allenby, proudly declared "today the wars of the Crusaders are completed," and the British press celebrated his victory with cartoons of Richard the Lion-Hearted looking down at Jerusalem above the caption "At last my dream come true." The colonial powers glorified the Crusaders as their ideological forebears.

as you can see,some ''holiness'' is hiding behind of their every single attempt to gaining control in Muslim lands.

We're talking about modern Internal European politics here Turk, not wars against Eastern foreign countries. And all those wars you mentioned, 90% of them were waged by someone miles away from Europe, America.

 

[Eddy]

You disagree yet in the end there you say education is a problem

You saying I should be an educated Muslim ?

 

[Zé Tahir]

You saying I should be an educated Muslim ?

No lol, I didn't understand why you disagreed with me and then at the end you raised an issue not related to Islam as the problem which was the point I was making

 

[Eddy]

No lol, I didn't understand why you disagreed with me and then at the end you raised an issue not related to Islam as the problem which was the point I was making

Well, the problem is Ze, is that I don't believe in god, but at the same time, I don't judge others who believe in him, unlike Seven. The way I see it is, the more people who are closed minded, the more un-educated they are. The more un-educated they are, the more religious they become. We're in a generation now Ze, that has turned it's back on religion and it's actually looking quite good. Orders don't come from churches and doesn't go through pst them anymore. The only true Arab state which doesn't think like it's Arab brothers are the Lebanese. They were dominated by French schools, hell, half of them speak French and their mentality is so different than the other closed-minded Arabs I've met anywhere.

 

[Seven]

Sure, I agree with that too. The difference here is that this change coincided with a change in Christian ideology. The Islam that was making contribution to the world is the same Islam as today. Nothing has changed, we've had no reformations, no "ecumenical councils", etc. So is it not possible that the current state of the Muslim world has more to do with other things than Islam?

This is just insane. You build up a solid argument and then you conclude the exact opposite of what would be logical. The only conclusion could be that Islam has been standing still. It hasn't advanced anymore, which means you are basically in the Stone Age compared to the West.