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AndreaCristiano

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Well you're wrong about the "there's no turning back" part :)

If you don't believe in God, some stranger praying for you from the other side of the world shouldn't faze you. If we believe what we believe, then praying for you is one of the greatest acts of love and respect we can do.

Also, just to clarify, being a good enough person and having strong faith isn't what saves us - it's accepting that Christ alone can atone for our sins that we're saved.
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AndreaCristiano

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You know what? It's not fair.

It's not fair that the Son of God came to earth as a human and lived a sinless life, but was crucified so that the enemies of God could have salvation. That is love, and that is the Gospel.

But that's the system that God instituted from Old Testament times: an innocent life taking the punishment for the sins of another person. But all of the sacrifices that were made couldn't save people from their sins, because they'd keep sinning and have to make up for their sins over and over again. So God set the sacrifical system in place to foreshadow what was to come: the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus that could take away sins in the past, present and future.

Hebrews 10:1-4 - The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.


The apostle Paul asked the same rhetorical question:

Romans 10:13-15 - for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

The implication of this is that people need to hear the Gospel, which is why Christians do global missions to unreached people.

However:

Romans 1:18-21 - The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

But honestly, I think the "what about ____ people" question is a bit pointless to ask from the point of view of someone like you, who has heard about Jesus.
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AndreaCristiano

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Still, some people will never see these missionaries--tribes in the Amazon and of course people of the New World before the Europeans came.

And I don't think it's pointless. I don't think God is supposed to have favourites but some people really have/had no chance.

If you tell me about God, fine--somewhat understandable, but not Jesus who'd have been inaccessible to a lot of people?

And are these people really supposed to abandon their own religions for a new one.
Once again read back some pages. This was covered in length with links as well
 

Zé Tahir

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You know what? It's not fair.

It's not fair that the Son of God came to earth as a human and lived a sinless life, but was crucified so that the enemies of God could have salvation. That is love, and that is the Gospel.

But that's the system that God instituted from Old Testament times: an innocent life taking the punishment for the sins of another person. But all of the sacrifices that were made couldn't save people from their sins, because they'd keep sinning and have to make up for their sins over and over again. So God set the sacrifical system in place to foreshadow what was to come: the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus that could take away sins in the past, present and future.

Hebrews 10:1-4 - The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Assuming Adam & Eve were the first people and/or the first people that God revealed himself to how did everyone between the time they lived and Christs' birth know about him?

You say its the system God instituted but that doesn't explain it's fairness. Would it be fair to jail you for your neighbors crime? How does sin even transfer to someone? You can't honestly believe every single human being since the beginning of mankind sinned so how did sin transfer? Genetically? Also, explain why did God initiate a system that was doomed to fail? Isn't he the All-Knowing?

Why 'could'? Seems like a lot of work and sacrifice for something is only 'could'. And didn't you just say "being a good enough person and having strong faith isn't what saves us" and that accepting Christ can atone for our sins? Here you say something else and there you said something else.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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In summation. If one never comes to know Jesus their lives are valued by their goodness and Godliness. Their ignorance is not their fault therefore is not held against them. There is alot more back there some where plus a link . I hope this helped?
Right, that's what some Christians tell me and others tell me what Gray said--that the only by accepting Christ can one be saved.
 

AndreaCristiano

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So if it comes down to Rick Perry v. Obama you would vote for Perry? The guy who wants to secede Texas :crazy:
Hell Yes! Perry has had Texas under his governorship for 11 years. In those 11 he has provided 40% of the jobs to the country. Has had the lowest tax rate for personal and corporate. The biggest influx of companies to his state. Low unemployment. No housing bubble and pays more taxes than he takes back by four times all while america was in the shitter. So yes I would . Beside the fact that those comments were taken out of context, if you didn't watch msnbc and read the huffingtom post you would know that. And lastly before we go back to the topic at hand, if I ran a state I would secced from this shitty version of america too

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X Æ A-12

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Hell Yes! Perry has had Texas under his governorship for 11 years. In those 11 he has provided 40% of the jobs to the country. Has had the lowest tax rate for personal and corporate. The biggest influx of companies to his state. Low unemployment. No housing bubble and pays more taxes than he takes back by four times all while america was in the shitter. So yes I would . Beside the fact that those comments were taken out of context, if you didn't watch msnbc and read the huffingtom post you would know that. And lastly before we go back to the topic at hand, if I ran a state I would secced from this shitty version of america too

NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING
Uh oh we went off topic from the current off topic discussion :hustini:
 
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