The 4-yr. old Preacher (7 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

No because predestination means you have to follow that path. God knows all the paths we can take in our life. One is his preferred path the others are our off shoots we can end up ignoring his path because of our free will. So therefore its not predestination

But he Knows 100% which on we will take, because he knows everything.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Romans 8:29-30 declares: "For [those] whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, [those] whom He predestined these He also called, whom He called these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified"

That's alluding to the disciples and early church whom were put into place to accept Jesus

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But he Knows 100% which on we will take, because he knows everything.

Once again no because we can change it. Watch the movie adjustment bureau easy charectorization.

 

[Kasaki]

No because predestination means you have to follow that path. God knows all the paths we can take in our life. One is his preferred path the others are our off shoots we can end up ignoring his path because of our free will. So therefore its not predestination

You can take whichever path you want, but at the end there can only be two results ! meaning God knows which result you'll get. A false feeling of control

 

[AndreaCristiano]

If I've got my revelations right, the rapture happens before the final battle, I'll repent then, get an AK-47 and head to Jerusalem to fight the AntiChrist's army.

All depends on which Christian you are. Some don't believe in the rapture at all some believe its before some after

 

[Kasaki]

That's alluding to the disciples and early church whom were put into place to accept Jesus

Another reason why I don't like the bible. Everyone reads it to there liking. Kind of like the Constitution

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No that's allowing his chidren to choose there own way. Not demanding that they follow a way blindly. When you set up your child's life you want certain things for then but you don't dictate it you guide and allow them to make their own choices

But if the result of not going his way is ending up in hell, then isn't that pretty much forcing us to follow his way? Free will pretty much becomes a red herring.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You can take whichever path you want, but at the end there can only be two results ! meaning God knows which result you'll get. A false feeling of control

Well that's your interpretation. Do you think suicide is Gods plan. No that's someones free will cutting short Gods will for our life. That's why the Catholic church says that's eternal damnation

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But if the result of not going his way is ending up in hell, then isn't that pretty much forcing us to follow his way? Free will pretty much becomes a red herring.

No its not. If you choose to live your life for you without God and do for yourself. Ending up in Hell is your choice. As you lived In life without him so you live in death
In the end its your choice. We condemn ourselves to Hell by our choices not by his desire

 

[Kasaki]

Well that's your interpretation. Do you think suicide is Gods plan. No that's someones free will cutting short Gods will for our life. That's why the Catholic church says that's eternal damnation

Judas's suicide was part of the plan. Google the Book of Judas. Everyone else committing suicide? well you ask a christian and they say eternal damnation, ask me I say it was part of God's plan. OF course God can never allow anything "evil " to happen.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Judas's suicide was part of the plan. Google the Book of Judas. Everyone else committing suicide? well you ask a christian and they say eternal damnation, ask me I say it was part of God's plan. OF course God can never allow anything "evil " to happen.

I have read the book of judas, and let me tell you thats the only book that allows that interpretation. Judas suicide was not part of the plan, true repentance wouldn't allow for suicide. Suicide doesn't show acceptance of forgiveness , therefore no real repentance. So no it wasn't part of the plan. The book of Judas was written in a zealots point of view and as a zealot, you would fall on your sword if you ended up costing your leaders life. The book of judas also pot rays him as wanting to force Jesus hand to act, which is also not accurate

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No its not. If you choose to live your life for you without God and do for yourself. Ending up in Hell is your choice. As you lived In life without him so you live in death
In the end its your choice. We condemn ourselves to Hell by our choices not by his desire

Exactly! If god threatens us that: if we exercise our free will and live our lives for ourselves then we'll go to hell, he leaves us no choice but to follow his will, thereby deeming that free will useless.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Exactly! If god threatens us that: if we exercise our free will and live our lives for ourselves then we'll go to hell, he leaves us no choice but to follow his will, thereby deeming that free will useless.

Its not a threat, if thats the way you want to live your life then Hell is the place you have chosen. Its an option there are two or three places you can end up depending on the faith. Your choices either put you in one of those three. in the end once again its our choice, no one makes us do anything. If you choose to cheat on your wife the likelihood of divorce are almost certain. No one made you cheat and threaten you with divorce prior. You knew if thats what went down thats the likely destination. You choose to cheat and therefore you end in divorce

 

[Kasaki]

I have read the book of judas, and let me tell you thats the only book that allows that interpretation. Judas suicide was not part of the plan, true repentance wouldn't allow for suicide. Suicide doesn't show acceptance of forgiveness , therefore no real repentance. So no it wasn't part of the plan. The book of Judas was written in a zealots point of view and as a zealot, you would fall on your sword if you ended up costing your leaders life. The book of judas also pot rays him as wanting to force Jesus hand to act, which is also not accurate

You can take whichever path you want, but at the end there can only be two results ! meaning God knows which result you'll get. A false feeling of control

Refer to that post. I for one will not read a book which the Catholic church has edited, remastered, revised and virtually taken out chapters

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Refer to that post. I for one will not read a book which the Catholic church has edited, remastered, revised and virtually taken out chapters

Actually the Catholic Bible has more than the other Christian bibles. Also before the catholic church they were all separate books not chapters and the council of nicea went through those and chose which ones were real and which were heretical. Even after you read the Gnostic Gospels you still come to the same conclusion that Yeshua was the Messiah

 

[JuveJay]

No not really shit happens isn't fate. Look fate up. Fate is predetermined destiny

Like I said, fate is only one description to explain a sequence of events.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Like I said, fate is only one description to explain a sequence of events.

All your descriptions all come from the belief of something greater than oneself

 

[X Æ A-12]

Isn't this supposed to be a discussion about a 4 yr. old preacher?

 

[JuveJay]

All your descriptions all come from the belief of something greater than oneself

I don't know how you come to this wild assumption but I'll humour you.

For instance I think things just happen, you can call it luck, fate, or whatever you choose, but they are just words used to describe an eventuality. You can purposely change the way things happen yourself with your own actions. You do those things because you choose to. If you decide to get into a car whilst heavily drunk and kill someone then that is a choice you made as an idiot or a moron. You didn't do it because 'something greater than you' decided you should spend the next 10 years in jail. That person didn't die because the all loving God decided it was their time. They died because you were a selfish moron. If you weren't then they would be alive. There is no fate. There is cause and eventuality to everything.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I don't know how you come to this wild assumption but I'll humour you.

For instance I think things just happen, you can call it luck, fate, or whatever you choose, but they are just words used to describe an eventuality. You can purposely change the way things happen yourself with your own actions. You do those things because you choose to. If you decide to get into a car whilst heavily drunk and kill someone then that is a choice you made as an idiot or a moron. You didn't do it because 'something greater than you' decided you should spend the next 10 years in jail. That person didn't die because the all loving God decided it was their time. They died because you were a selfish moron. If you weren't then they would be alive. There is no fate. There is cause and eventuality to everything.

Wow you missed this whole conversation obviously. A lot of what your addressing has been discussed at length. So I will not repeat myself for the thousandth time. You can read backwords. I even used the same drunk driver analogy