The 4-yr. old Preacher (12 Viewers)

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IrishZebra

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That assessment means nothing to me. It has nothing to do with evolutionary adaptation. My grandmother moved is here because she didn't have the money to move back. Also once again you all think Gods understanding and feelings liken to our limited human emotions and experience. Our mind can neither comprehend his thoughts, emotions or ideas
She adapted to the situation in order to secure her life and that of her offspring, evidently extremely well.

I don't even want to comprehend a being that would actively plan for short of medium term suffering even if it is for long term gain. I wish God was a communist.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti
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    As sad as the death of your father is, Jesus earthly Father died when he was twelve yet he went on and continued his mission. Each human being on this planet has his own path , they are born alone and die alone. The in between time and relationships are part of not only their growth but the others around them, when a death like that occurs as much as we don't want to realize it, it is a time for refection not only on the life of the person who past but also on our own mortality. It is to take stock of how we are living our life and how we would want to. To show you one example of the many instances in my life, I will tell you a story. My favorite uncle and I were extremely close. My father and him married my mother and her sister on the same day, they moved to this country together with me in tow, they worked together, lived together and opened our family restaurant together. I walked my first steps to him, was with him fishing all the time. About a year and a half ago, he went into the doctors for a stress test, he came home and took a nap. He got up from his nap and said his head was spinning to my aunt and dropped to the ground turning blue. He flat lined 3 times on the way to the hospital and eventually got helicoptered to another hospital were he was in a coma for 9 days and then breathed his last breath, he was 58. We all prayed for his recovery, but in the end it was his time. At first we didn't understand why, but over this past 2 years we have seen my cousin grow into a man, and take over his fathers restaurant , my other cousin finally take control of his life and move forward. These changes happened because of that death, and there are many more, that I'm not listing here.
    Another quick telling of a story, my grandfather left italy before I was born and came to america to work for ocean spray, he would send money back to my grandmother and eight children,( they were in extreme poverty ) until he started getting sick, my mother at 16 and aunt at 18 came to america to se him. He eventually died of 7 massive strokes at the age of 44. Since my grandfather passed away here my grandmother got a lone from her, brother and took the rest of the children here to america to bury my grandfather here because we had no money to return him to italy. My grandmother moved my whole family here to the USA. At the time it was a tragedy, now when we look back it was a blessing, our family all had huge opportunities, made a good living , my uncles and aunts all met their respective husbands and wives, our family exploded with children. We all are living a good life. If my grandfather never passed we would never had moved to america, and probably would have had different outcomes in life. I mean my parents moved up their wedding because my grandfather died, who knows if that would have even happened if he didn't. We have come to realize that even if we don't understand God's will it always has a purpose. We believe if we ask for something GOD should give us what we want, but in the end he gives us what we need. Even if at the time it seems unbelievable, painful or even disappointing he knows and sees the entire picture, the infinite now, not just the little time we see or comprehend
    I ask you one more time: why should I believe that prayers work? In the words of the great George Carlin: if it's gods will, and his will be done, why the fuck bother praying in the first place?
     

    AndreaCristiano

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    I ask you one more time: why should I believe that prayers work? In the words of the great George Carlin: if it's gods will, and his will be done, why the fuck bother praying in the first place?
    Because his will is affected by our free will. There are multiple paths our life can end up on. GOD wants us on one path out free will moved us from that path. So prayer illuminates Gods path so we may follow his will
     
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    Sheik Yerbouti
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    What don't you understand. If God has a path set for us but our free will takes us off coarse prayer is the conduit to see Gods will and get back on path. God gave us free will as to not be drones. He does not trump our free will so prayer is the only way we can hear his will and follow it.


    If god wants us to follow just one path, then he is fucking everything up by granting us free will. Giving us free will, yet asking us to follow only one path is frankly confusing and contradictory, and trying to understand it gives me a fuckin' headache, like all those people pictured above!
     

    Kasaki

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    Because his will is affected by our free will. There are multiple paths our life can end up on. GOD wants us on one path out free will moved us from that path. So prayer illuminates Gods path so we may follow his will
    Wrong! According to the bible God already knows if your going to end up in Heaven or Hell. And it's up to Jesus to judge each individual so if Moses can go to heaven after sinning then I'm sure a good atheist would go to heaven
     

    AndreaCristiano

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    If god wants us to follow just one path, then he is fucking everything up by granting us free will. Giving us free will, yet asking us to follow only one path is frankly confusing and contradictory, and trying to understand it gives me a fuckin' headache, like all those people pictured above!
    No that's allowing his chidren to choose there own way. Not demanding that they follow a way blindly. When you set up your child's life you want certain things for then but you don't dictate it you guide and allow them to make their own choices
     

    Kasaki

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    Romans 8:29-30 declares: "For [those] whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, [those] whom He predestined these He also called, whom He called these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified"
     

    IrishZebra

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    Well according to some yea denouncing the holy spirit is a direct hell path but I fir one do not believe that. I believe even one who denounces the holy spirit if they end up repenting and come to belief it will he forgiven
    If I've got my revelations right, the rapture happens before the final battle, I'll repent then, get an AK-47 and head to Jerusalem to fight the AntiChrist's army.
     

    AndreaCristiano

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    God is all knowing right? that includes predestination
    No because predestination means you have to follow that path. God knows all the paths we can take in our life. One is his preferred path the others are our off shoots we can end up ignoring his path because of our free will. So therefore its not predestination
     
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