Terrorism (19 Viewers)

[Vinman]

So you trust this spot on informant, do some surveillance and verify that there is "major traffic"? Come on, surely you'll need more concrete evidence than that to storm in or risk being mistaken.

what else would you like, Sally ???

should we just knock on the door and ask ???!!!

 

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[mikhail]

errmmm...

have we used them ???

How many countries have used nukes in anything but testing again?

 

[Rami]

errmmm...

have we used them ???

ermmmmmmmmm....

6th August 1945, Hiroshima, Japan and 9th of August 1945 Nagasaki, Japan...

 

[Vinman]

ermmmmmmmmm....

6th August 1945, Hiroshima, Japan and 9th of August 1945 Nagasaki, Japan...

those were an atomic bombs..

and it was during world war...

you can thank us now, or later that you're not speaking German...or Japanese

 

[Zé Tahir]

Why the hell does it matter whether we speak German or Japanese. Frankly, Japan could have been defeated without the use of the atomic bomb. Yes, it did speed up the process, but also devestated an area for centuries to come.

 

[Vinman]

Why the hell does it matter whether we speak German or Japanese. Frankly, Japan could have been defeated without the use of the atomic bomb. Yes, it did speed up the process, but also devestated an area for centuries to come.

bullshit !!!

Japan was NEVER going to give up, we would have had to invade Japan to get them to surrender, which would have costs millions of lives

and the area you speak of is back to normal now, so I don't know what your talking about regarding centuries

 

[Zé Tahir]

bullshit !!!

Japan was NEVER going to give up, we would have had to invade Japan to get them to surrender, which would have costs millions of lives

and the area you speak of is back to normal now, so I don't know what your talking about regarding centuries

yea, Germany was never going to give up either, but they did, didn't they? And no, that area is not back to normal. The definition of normal would have to be significantly be changed for it to be used to describe that area.

 

[Vinman]

yea, Germany was never going to give up either, but they did, didn't they? And no, that area is not back to normal. The definition of normal would have to be significantly be changed for it to be used to describe that area.

for your info...

a baseball stadium lies meters away from ground zero in Hiroshima

and have you ever heard of Bushido ???

It is the Japanese philosohy of "death before dishonor", which dates back to the samurai

same ppl who were crashing their planes into our ships, and dying an "honorable" death

the Germans never did that !!!

 

[Zé Tahir]

So to break that spirit atomic bombs were thrown? Sorry, but this argument doesn't count. Because, I know Afghani's and Muslims in general, and let me tell you, they probably have a deaper tradition of honor and fighting opression than the Japanese. Maybe some bombs should be dropped there?

 

[Juve_Kosova]

how come the US has missiles and other stats arent allowed to? (by the us)

 

[swag]

Why the hell does it matter whether we speak German or Japanese. Frankly, Japan could have been defeated without the use of the atomic bomb. Yes, it did speed up the process, but also devestated an area for centuries to come.

The atomic bomb was really just the "Shock and Awe" campaign of its day.

The US did far, far worse damage, death, and destruction with their firebombing campaigns of all major Japanese cities leading up to the drop of the atomic bomb. On one night in March 1945 alone, US firebombs leveled Tokyo and killed some 100,000 civilians -- though it only seems that the atomic bomb gets all the notoriety.

Not that we need to put "weights of merit" on man's atrocities against himself, but the whole firebombing thing gets glossed over for the A-bomb. And the A-bomb gets all the protests for some reason -- and this despite the fact that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were puny by today's standards (they would be classified as tactical, not strategic, weapons).

The irony being that, just as in Iraq, the A-bomb's shock and awe campaign was mostly a failure. The ranking officials in the Japanese military were not impressed and felt that they had endured far worse damage -- such as the firebombing campaigns months before. It was really only the initiative of the Emperor a little while after the second bomb was dropped that things came to an end.

Whether or not those A-bombs were necessary at that stage is still debatable. What isn't debatable is that those A-bombs get an immensely disproportionate amount of credit -- both positive and negative.

 

[Rami]

The atomic bomb was really just the "Shock and Awe" campaign of its day.

The US did far, far worse damage, death, and destruction with their firebombing campaigns of all major Japanese cities leading up to the drop of the atomic bomb. On one night in March 1945 alone, US firebombs leveled Tokyo and killed some 100,000 civilians -- though it only seems that the atomic bomb gets all the notoriety.

Not that we need to put "weights of merit" on man's atrocities against himself, but the whole firebombing thing gets glossed over for the A-bomb. And the A-bomb gets all the protests for some reason -- and this despite the fact that the A-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were puny by today's standards (they would be classified as tactical, not strategic, weapons).

The irony being that, just as in Iraq, the A-bomb's shock and awe campaign was mostly a failure. The ranking officials in the Japanese military were not impressed and felt that they had endured far worse damage -- such as the firebombing campaigns months before. It was really only the initiative of the Emperor a little while after the second bomb was dropped that things came to an end.

Whether or not those A-bombs were necessary at that stage is still debatable. What isn't debatable is that those A-bombs get an immensely disproportionate amount of credit -- both positive and negative.

I am really short on my WW knowledge, but if I put myself in his shoes I wouldv'e done the same. What would stop USA to drop more A-Bombs if I were not to surrender? Sure We've endured much more casualties, but I can't compete with a superior weapon such as an A-Bomb and a government that has no scruples to use it.

 

[Rami]

those were an atomic bombs..

and it was during world war...

you can thank us now, or later that you're not speaking German...or Japanese

So what if they were atomic? Its still a WMD isnt it?

And trust me neither you or me would be speaking German. Don't act like if the US saved humanity, if it wasn't the US it wouldve been someone else, and if no one then Hitlers empire would've collapsed from within. USA was just a catalyst.

 

[Rami]

for your info...

a baseball stadium lies meters away from ground zero in Hiroshima

And genetically mutated players playing in it?

 

[JCK]

errmmm...

have we used them ???

Who has???

Their presence and being pointed at each other is enough. Why would you fear the other use them and not fear that the US uses them? Why is it ok for the US to have them and have them directed but others it is a disaster if they do?

 

[Seven]

those were an atomic bombs..

and it was during world war...

you can thank us now, or later that you're not speaking German...or Japanese

And what if we were?

 

[Seven]

errmmm...

have we used them ???

What always cracks me up is that the reason for the Iraq invasion were weapons of mass destruction while no country on the face of the earth has more weapons of mass destruction than the US .

 

[Vinman]

So to break that spirit atomic bombs were thrown? Sorry, but this argument doesn't count. Because, I know Afghani's and Muslims in general, and let me tell you, they probably have a deaper tradition of honor and fighting opression than the Japanese. Maybe some bombs should be dropped there?

break the spirit AND end the war...which it did !!!

I'm not here to compare "traditions" but the warrior code of the samurai is pretty long and intense

I never brought Muslims into this...so I think we should let that go

So what if they were atomic? Its still a WMD isnt it?

And trust me neither you or me would be speaking German. Don't act like if the US saved humanity, if it wasn't the US it wouldve been someone else, and if no one then Hitlers empire would've collapsed from within. USA was just a catalyst.

Who else, your country ????

We were just a catalyst ??? We defeated Japan, and had a pretty big hand in defeating the Germans...but we were just a catalyst !!!

get your history right, man

 

[Seven]

break the spirit AND end the war...which it did !!!

I'm not here to compare "traditions" but the warrior code of the samurai is pretty long and intense

I never brought Muslims into this...so I think we should let that go



Who else, your country ????

We were just a catalyst ??? We defeated Japan, and had a pretty big hand in defeating the Germans...but we were just a catalyst !!!

get your history right, man

We don't owe the US anything, Vinman. And if we did, that debt is long gone already.

 

[Vinman]

We don't owe the US anything, Vinman. And if we did, that debt is long gone already.

you'd be part of Germany right now if it wasnt for us...