Terrorism (23 Viewers)

[Zlatan]

ok.....

lets say I have an "informant", who gives me some info about a certain house being used as a major supplier of crack for the entire area.

Lets also state that we've used this informant before, and he's been spot on every time

so, we have some of our guys do some surveillance, and verify the fact that there is major traffic going in and out of there...

We get a search warrant, and go in at dawn, breaking down the door, and storming in !!

Then, to our surprise, it turns out that the person living there is a pastor (or something like that) for the Jehova's witnesses, and the traffic going in and out was their followers getting more pamphlets they use to go door to door (and annoy the shit outta ppl !!)

Now, do you blame ME, for acting on information given to me, that was also verified by surveillance...do you blame surveillance, for what they saw, or do you blame the informant, for lying his ass off ???

Believe me, the above situation has happened in the past

Except if you told the informant what you wanted him to say to confirm your theory

 

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[Vinman]

Except if you told the informant what you wanted him to say to confirm your theory

oooh...what the hell !!!!!

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

ok.....

lets say I have an "informant", who gives me some info about a certain house being used as a major supplier of crack for the entire area.

Lets also state that we've used this informant before, and he's been spot on every time

so, we have some of our guys do some surveillance, and verify the fact that there is major traffic going in and out of there...

We get a search warrant, and go in at dawn, breaking down the door, and storming in !!

Then, to our surprise, it turns out that the person living there is a pastor (or something like that) for the Jehova's witnesses, and the traffic going in and out was their followers getting more pamphlets they use to go door to door (and annoy the shit outta ppl !!)

Now, do you blame ME, for acting on information given to me, that was also verified by surveillance...do you blame surveillance, for what they saw, or do you blame the informant, for lying his ass off ???

Believe me, the above situation has happened in the past

I am too lazy to read this, keep it to 3 lines or less.

 

[Enron]

BOOM!!!!

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yo, I am the Bombardier, you are my suicide bomber.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

thought this would shade some light on the whole evidence manipulation. Robert here is robert baer former CIA operative whose book see no evil inspired the movie syriana.



ROBERT: Yeah, look at the war in Iraq. The CIA is full of professional intelligence officers that want to get to the bottom of 9/11 but the White House is looking to mine data for talking points for its policies. They are looking for political talking points. Let’s say they need to indict another country before the next election, not attack it, but indict it, say we’ve got a problem. So what they will do is they go through the intelligence reports until they find something that would suggest that Iran is causing the problem internally in Iraq. If they admit that it’s the Iraqis that are killing people,that the Iraqis are against the US and are unhappy and are in opposition, they’ve lost. So they go through the intelligence selectively picking out things.


BARRY: What happens when they interrogate someone who has no information?

ROBERT: This happens all the time. And trust me, when you’re being tortured, you turn in everyone - your mother, your friends, anything to get the pain to stop. So the information is generally unreliable.

BARRY: How do you feel as an American about what is happening in this country right now with human rights and civil liberties abuses? Does it bother you?

ROBERT: Of course it does, it’s totally unconstitutional. It’s not the United States I know. Keeping American citizens without access to a lawyer, with questionable evidence against them and holding them indefinitely is totally against our traditions. It’s totally unnecessary.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

ok.....

lets say I have an "informant", who gives me some info about a certain house being used as a major supplier of crack for the entire area.

Lets also state that we've used this informant before, and he's been spot on every time

so, we have some of our guys do some surveillance, and verify the fact that there is major traffic going in and out of there...

We get a search warrant, and go in at dawn, breaking down the door, and storming in !!

Then, to our surprise, it turns out that the person living there is a pastor (or something like that) for the Jehova's witnesses, and the traffic going in and out was their followers getting more pamphlets they use to go door to door (and annoy the shit outta ppl !!)

Now, do you blame ME, for acting on information given to me, that was also verified by surveillance...do you blame surveillance, for what they saw, or do you blame the informant, for lying his ass off ???

Believe me, the above situation has happened in the past

So you trust this spot on informant, do some surveillance and verify that there is "major traffic"? Come on, surely you'll need more concrete evidence than that to storm in or risk being mistaken.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

thought this would shade some light on the whole evidence manipulation. Robert here is robert baer former CIA operative whose book see no evil inspired the movie syriana.



ROBERT: Yeah, look at the war in Iraq. The CIA is full of professional intelligence officers that want to get to the bottom of 9/11 but the White House is looking to mine data for talking points for its policies. They are looking for political talking points. Let’s say they need to indict another country before the next election, not attack it, but indict it, say we’ve got a problem. So what they will do is they go through the intelligence reports until they find something that would suggest that Iran is causing the problem internally in Iraq. If they admit that it’s the Iraqis that are killing people,that the Iraqis are against the US and are unhappy and are in opposition, they’ve lost. So they go through the intelligence selectively picking out things.


BARRY: What happens when they interrogate someone who has no information?

ROBERT: This happens all the time. And trust me, when you’re being tortured, you turn in everyone - your mother, your friends, anything to get the pain to stop. So the information is generally unreliable.

BARRY: How do you feel as an American about what is happening in this country right now with human rights and civil liberties abuses? Does it bother you?

ROBERT: Of course it does, it’s totally unconstitutional. It’s not the United States I know. Keeping American citizens without access to a lawyer, with questionable evidence against them and holding them indefinitely is totally against our traditions. It’s totally unnecessary.

That's word, good post.

 

[mikhail]

thought this would shade some light on the whole evidence manipulation. Robert here is robert baer former CIA operative whose book see no evil inspired the movie syriana.

Good post man. When quoteing something like that though, it's probably worth adding a link to the source though. :wink:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/third_degree/stars_stripes_interview.shtml

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I might start calling you "The Mole"

 

[JCK]

I might start calling you "The Mole"

But you are the only digger.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That is true.

i revived two old threads just today.

 

[JCK]

thats just great...Russia is no friend of ours

there should be no doubt where these missiles will be deployed.....anywhere surrounding their "civilian" (yeah, right !!) nuclear reactor

I hope Israel bombs the fuck out of the reactor....those madmen in Iran should NEVER get a nuclear missile

NO ONE should have a nuclear missile.

 

[JCK]

and neither would letting Iran have nuclear missiles, because the first thing they would do is wipe Israel off the map

next, they could be stupid enough to send a few towards the USA

so why give them the chance ???

Why do you look at it this way? The US has missiles directed towards other places also, isn't this a problem as well?

 

[Seven]

I'm still not a fan of terrorism to be frank.

 

[JCK]

I'm still not a fan of terrorism to be frank.

Who is??

 

[Seven]

Who is??

That was the joke .

But it seems like more people are than you would think anyway.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

no, you arent a fan seven. nobody is. you are just happy that those ugly towers are off the face of the earth. the people dying is just an inconvinient side effect

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Who is??

This guy I know named "Osama" but that is his street name, his real name is Curtis Fracis Leopold Johnstone Jr. Esquire.

Here is a picture of Curtis taking the oath of office to be the next Supreme Court Justice of the US.

 

[Vinman]

Why do you look at it this way? The US has missiles directed towards other places also, isn't this a problem as well?

errmmm...

have we used them ???