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Unfortunately, if the US just left right now, you would have civil war between the Shia' and the Sunnis, and that would be horrible because it would draw in other Muslim countries, either to help one religious sect or the other, or to to their best to destabilise the whole situation even further. and the result of that would probably be an oppressive government made up of one religious sect, supported by several neighboring countries, that suppresses it's opposing sect, etc. basically, the US cannot puul out now in good conscience because that would definitely leave Irq in a very, very bad position, both in regards to itself, and in regards to the rest of the world. it is hard, but we do have to try and make the best of a situation that went to plan untill after the invasion, and has since gone way down. whether the Iraqis like it or not, we will try and leave Iraq a stable, fair government, making sure to eliminate as much as possible the friction between Sunnis and Shiites
Personally, I agree with Bush's foreign policy for the most part. the CIA was wrong about Iraq, but from the info Bush had, invading Iraq was not such a bad idea-aggressive, and not calculated to win over many allies, but he was trying to protect the US.
but anyway, despit Bush's mistakes, Kerry is not strong enough to fight terror alone-it is a long and tough fight, and Kerry just doesn't have the guts. and by the way, there is no real way to judge if Bush has fecked up the economy-no one completely understands how different factors affect the economy, and how long it takes certain things to start changing, etc. which means that generally when a president takes credit for a change in the economy, it's probably just bs. like FDR taking credit from the recovery from the great depression-complete BS!
but anyway, despit Bush's mistakes, Kerry is not strong enough to fight terror alone-it is a long and tough fight, and Kerry just doesn't have the guts. and by the way, there is no real way to judge if Bush has fecked up the economy-no one completely understands how different factors affect the economy, and how long it takes certain things to start changing, etc. which means that generally when a president takes credit for a change in the economy, it's probably just bs. like FDR taking credit from the recovery from the great depression-complete BS!
If there was a single shred of legitimacy in connecting Iraq to terrorism, I'd be a lot more forgiving. But here's a country under sanctions, with no fly zones, and one of the most secular governments in the Middle East that continually irritated Islamic fundamentalists because it put Saddam in the status of God instead of Allah himself (the infidels!).
In science there's a problem where you start with a theory and then seek information and statistics to support it, instead of going the other way around. That's exactly what we got. IMO, someone should be held accountable for a mistake like that, because it's going to cost Americans billions and thousands of lives (not to mention the Iraqis).
In science there's a problem where you start with a theory and then seek information and statistics to support it, instead of going the other way around. That's exactly what we got. IMO, someone should be held accountable for a mistake like that, because it's going to cost Americans billions and thousands of lives (not to mention the Iraqis).
Are you really that naive to think that Bush really thought Iraq was a threat to the US?
CIA was wrong becuase Bush wanted them to be wrong to beign with.
There never was solid evidence. The whole Iraqi threat issue was fabricated in a couple of years.
The reasons for war changed every few months.. It's all BS.
CIA was wrong becuase Bush wanted them to be wrong to beign with.
There never was solid evidence. The whole Iraqi threat issue was fabricated in a couple of years.
The reasons for war changed every few months.. It's all BS.
no offence, but I know alot more about it than you do. Iraq has always been a threat-while the CIA was wrong (not because of Bush wanting them to be wrong) on Saddam's wmds, Saddam was waiting for the inevitable reduction of sanctions, etc-I have to go, but I'll be back on later(I hope) to continue the discussion 
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no offence, but I know alot more about it than you do. Iraq has always been a threat-while the CIA was wrong (not because of Bush wanting them to be wrong) on Saddam's wmds, Saddam was waiting for the inevitable reduction of sanctions, etc-I have to go, but I'll be back on later(I hope) to continue the discussion
no offence, but I know alot more about it than you do. Iraq has always been a threat-while the CIA was wrong (not because of Bush wanting them to be wrong) on Saddam's wmds, Saddam was waiting for the inevitable reduction of sanctions, etc-I have to go, but I'll be back on later(I hope) to continue the discussion
Sure you do. You watch Fox News and listen to politician know-it-alls.
No casualties? White House disputes Robertson comment
'The president never made such a comment'
EAU CLAIRE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- A White House spokesman denied Wednesday that President Bush told Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson that he did not expect casualties from the invasion of Iraq.
"The president never made such a comment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes, a longtime confidant of the president, said she was "certain" Bush would not have said anything like that to Robertson.
"Perhaps he misunderstood, but I've never heard the president say any such thing," Hughes said on CNN's "Inside Politics."
Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, told CNN in an interview Tuesday night that he urged the president to prepare the American people for the prospect of casualties before launching the war in March 2003.
Robertson said Bush told him, " 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "
More than 1,100 American troops have been killed in Iraq since the invasion, most of them battling an insurgency that followed the overthrow of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
Sen. John Kerry, Bush's Democratic challenger, quickly seized on Robertson's account.
Kerry's campaign issued a statement Wednesday challenging Bush to say whether the "700 Club" founder and 1988 GOP presidential candidate was telling the truth.
"We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here," Kerry spokesman Mike McCurry said in a news release.
"But he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties, or is Pat Robertson lying?"
McClellan said Bush did meet with Robertson in Nashville before the invasion, as Robertson recounted. But McClellan said Bush always has recognized that war "requires sacrifice" and that there would be American casualties.
In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Robertson restated his "100 percent" support for Bush's re-election and said he began and ended his CNN interview "with my warm endorsement and praise of President Bush." But he did not back away from his comments.
"I emphatically stated that, 'I believe 'the blessing of heaven is upon him,' and I am persuaded that he will win this election and prevail on the war against terror in order to keep America safe from her avowed enemies," Robertson said.
In his CNN interview, the religious leader described Bush on the eve of the invasion as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."
"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now."
"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "
He said that's when the president told him he did not expect casualties from the invasion.
Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him.
-- Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson
In the interview, Robertson also said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.
"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."
Asked why he thought Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said, "I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed up.' "
Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the president will win the election.
"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.
'The president never made such a comment'
EAU CLAIRE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- A White House spokesman denied Wednesday that President Bush told Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson that he did not expect casualties from the invasion of Iraq.
"The president never made such a comment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes, a longtime confidant of the president, said she was "certain" Bush would not have said anything like that to Robertson.
"Perhaps he misunderstood, but I've never heard the president say any such thing," Hughes said on CNN's "Inside Politics."
Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, told CNN in an interview Tuesday night that he urged the president to prepare the American people for the prospect of casualties before launching the war in March 2003.
Robertson said Bush told him, " 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "
More than 1,100 American troops have been killed in Iraq since the invasion, most of them battling an insurgency that followed the overthrow of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
Sen. John Kerry, Bush's Democratic challenger, quickly seized on Robertson's account.
Kerry's campaign issued a statement Wednesday challenging Bush to say whether the "700 Club" founder and 1988 GOP presidential candidate was telling the truth.
"We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here," Kerry spokesman Mike McCurry said in a news release.
"But he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties, or is Pat Robertson lying?"
McClellan said Bush did meet with Robertson in Nashville before the invasion, as Robertson recounted. But McClellan said Bush always has recognized that war "requires sacrifice" and that there would be American casualties.
In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Robertson restated his "100 percent" support for Bush's re-election and said he began and ended his CNN interview "with my warm endorsement and praise of President Bush." But he did not back away from his comments.
"I emphatically stated that, 'I believe 'the blessing of heaven is upon him,' and I am persuaded that he will win this election and prevail on the war against terror in order to keep America safe from her avowed enemies," Robertson said.
In his CNN interview, the religious leader described Bush on the eve of the invasion as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."
"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now."
"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "
He said that's when the president told him he did not expect casualties from the invasion.
Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him.
-- Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson
In the interview, Robertson also said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.
"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."
Asked why he thought Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said, "I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed up.' "
Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the president will win the election.
"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.
Oh and to the rest of you, how is it that noone's reading what swag is saying? That's some home truths for you.. being the only world power the US systematically (and with impunity) intervenes in the affairs or other countries to support US interests, completely disregarding the consequences to those nations.
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