Terrorism (9 Viewers)

[Vinman]

Again, playing with emotions, yet no argument. Your uncle had nothing to do with this and you shouldn't have brought him up. You might get anywhere with that tactic because people will be scared and sorry for your uncle and will therefore take on a more vulnerable positon. I, however, won't let blatantly patriotic and biased comments filled with ignorance go by, simply because you mention the fact your uncle had 7 pieces of shrapnel in his body.

the argument is we gave our blood to help Europe rid themselves of Nazi Germany

not looking for sympathy, just telling you how it is

 

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[Bjerknes]

Slaughtering Jews, slaughtering Arabs, where's the difference really.

That's ridiculous and you know it Seven. Again, please refrain from discussions such as this because you seemingly cannot handle it.

 

[Seven]

Nothing wrong with the post you quoted there, Mikhail. There is hardly a difference between the two. You could argue the US aren't doing it on such a scale, but saying there IS a difference between slaughtering Jews and Arabs just sounds wrong .

 

[Seven]

That's ridiculous and you know it Seven. Again, please refrain from discussions such as this because you seemingly cannot handle it.

Andy, I was joking.

 

[Seven]

the argument is we gave our blood to help Europe rid themselves of Nazi Germany

not looking for sympathy, just telling you how it is

I seem to recollect you only stepped in after you were attacked yourself. Or am I wrong?

 

[Vinman]

You could accept A-bombs as a weapon I guess. But were they really necessary in Japan? That's pretty doubtful. And using A-bombs while they're not the last thing you can resort to isn't acceptable.

ok, General, what would you have done ???

 

[mikhail]

You could accept A-bombs as a weapon I guess. But were they really necessary in Japan? That's pretty doubtful. And using A-bombs while they're not the last thing you can resort to isn't acceptable.

Certainly true today. It's not quite as clear-cut back then. These were relatively small bombs by modern standards. They killed far less people than conventional bombs had in Tokyo, as was mentioned earlier. Still doesn't make them right, but weighed against the lives of millions of young soldiers, I think they could easily have been seen as the far lesser of two evils. Again, I'm not saying that it was correct, just understandable.

 

[Vinman]

I seem to recollect you only stepped in after you were attacked yourself. Or am I wrong?

We're not Belgium, if we are attacked, we will fight back

 

[Seven]

ok, General, what would you have done ???

I wouldn't have gone all mad like usual and I certainly wouldn't have used excessive question marks.

 

[Seven]

get your history straight, we were attacked by JAPAN !!!

we fought Japan in the Pacific, and sent troops to Europe

Doesn't it look like I got my history straight then? For as far as I remember Japan was with Germany. Which makes Germany an enemy of the US.

 

[mikhail]

get your history straight, we were attacked by JAPAN !!!

we fought Japan in the Pacific, and sent troops to Europe

Because Hitler declared war with Japan.

EDIT: on the US along with Japan's declaration - sorry for being so unclear.

 

[Seven]

Certainly true today. It's not quite as clear-cut back then. These were relatively small bombs by modern standards. They killed far less people than conventional bombs had in Tokyo, as was mentioned earlier. Still doesn't make them right, but weighed against the lives of millions of young soldiers, I think they could easily have been seen as the far lesser of two evils. Again, I'm not saying that it was correct, just understandable.

TBH I don't know enough about the situation back then just yet. I've seen several documentaries saying there were better options though. Since I'm studying history at university, I'm sure I'll be more educated about the subject in the future.

 

[Seven]

We're not Belgium, if we are attacked, we will fight back

You never heard of Ieper then? You really haven't got the slightest clue what Belgium stands for and what it has done in the past, have you? And why the nationalistic remark if I may ask? Did you just run away from an argument?

 

[Respaul]

Paul, we were needed...England had its hands full, with Germany on its doorstep, and France was in complete surrender...so our help was needed

I'm not saying we won the war, it was the Allies who won the war, but we were needed

It wasnt needed... no recognised historian will tell you that america was needed... Its jus not true...

Americas help was welcomed and europe was thankful for assistance which sped up the ending of the war... but thats it

You also forget how many times various allies asked america for help and were refused point blank... " its not our war"

Not untill its own people suffered were america willing to help... and even then, only because to take their revenge they had no choice but to take up full involvement

 

[Vinman]

I wouldn't have gone all mad like usual and I certainly wouldn't have used excessive question marks.

thats my writing style, waffle eater

 

[Seven]

Because Hitler declared war with Japan.

EDIT: on the US along with Japan's declaration - sorry for being so unclear.

Exactly, Vinni. Jeez, WWII.. you should really know this stuff.

 

[mikhail]

TBH I don't know enough about the situation back then just yet. I've seen several documentaries saying there were better options though. Since I'm studying history at university, I'm sure I'll be more educated about the subject in the future.

Always difficult to sort fact from opinion in documentaries - it tends to all get put forward as fact. Good luck with your studies - I really enjoyed history when I was younger. I wish I could ahve studied it at third level too. Still, such is life.

 

[Vinman]

It wasnt needed... no recognised historian will tell you that america was needed... Its jus not true...

Americas help was welcomed and europe was thankful for assistance which sped up the ending of the war... but thats it

You also forget how many times various allies asked america for help and were refused point blank... " its not our war"

Not untill its own people suffered were america willing to help... and even then, only because to take their revenge they had no choice but to take up full involvement

One of my best friends is a teacher...a WWII expert..and I hear way too much about it from him

 

[Respaul]

ok, General, what would you have done ???

Personally, I would have done exactly as america did... The implications of these things were not clear at that point,,, it was a different world then anyway... What was acceptable then may not be today, but that isnt the issue or does it make it wrong

 

[mikhail]

You never heard of Ieper then? You really haven't got the slightest clue what Belgium stands for and what it has done in the past, have you? And why the nationalistic remark if I may ask? Did you just run away from an argument?

Ieper? Is that another spelling of Yprés? (Pronounced about the same)