I disagree completely, it IS a skill. And the more skilled you are, the better you will fare despite the pressure.
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I always thought it was funny how professional players shy away from taking penalties. It's understandable that they don't want to let the team down but it's one thing being sensible and another to be "scared" of it. Obviously I have no experience at professional level but I always thought that I'd gladly take every penalty I ever could. I mean it's fun, isn't it?
It's not like they can blame you for missing , that just means the coach will choose someone else next time.
I always thought it was funny how professional players shy away from taking penalties. It's understandable that they don't want to let the team down but it's one thing being sensible and another to be "scared" of it. Obviously I have no experience at professional level but I always thought that I'd gladly take every penalty I ever could. I mean it's fun, isn't it?
It's not like they can blame you for missing , that just means the coach will choose someone else next time.
I have a vivid imagination, so I would imagine myself to be Mendieta while shooting and no big deal, penalty taken :strong:
Okay, they CAN blame you but it's not a rational decision. There's no way they can say "I wouldn't have missed", so in effect it's not something you should worry about. For your own sake, you WILL beat yourself up over missing it but that should come from you and not from other people, they have no valid claim here.
Yes, Raul missed, but someone "had to". If it wasn't him, someone else might as well have. And noone in their right mind will go around blaming Raul specifically for that mistake.
Yes, Raul missed, but someone "had to". If it wasn't him, someone else might as well have. And noone in their right mind will go around blaming Raul specifically for that mistake.
It's not a rational decision, but people always do that, always blame a footballer for missing a penalty, they say: how could he miss that? It was impossible to miss, and such things.
If I missed, I wouldnt bother myself at all, if I did everything to shoot it.
Nope, it wasnt like "someone had to"
Cause if it wasnt him, but someone else, that someone else could 1) missed or 2)shot and you dont know what would happen, if someone else was taking it.
Anyway it's a little too "what would happen if..." thing.
Making up theories to events, doesnt have any sense
If I missed, I wouldnt bother myself at all, if I did everything to shoot it.
Nope, it wasnt like "someone had to"
Cause if it wasnt him, but someone else, that someone else could 1) missed or 2)shot and you dont know what would happen, if someone else was taking it.
Anyway it's a little too "what would happen if..." thing.
Making up theories to events, doesnt have any sense
Bullshit!, it depends on the importance and pressure, in a WC final it has nothing to do with skill, just remember Baggio, he was maybe the best and most secure penalty taker in the world, but in that hell of a scenario he missed.
It is a shame that important matches shall be decided on such a thing, the best thing would be to let them play until they scored a winning goal no matter how long time it would take.
It is a shame that important matches shall be decided on such a thing, the best thing would be to let them play until they scored a winning goal no matter how long time it would take.
Well I was going to differentiate between a WC final and less prestigious circumstances. It is about pressure but it's also about skill. If you're good at it, it will obviously help you. Under no circumstances can you be sure of scoring, but to claim that skill doesn't matter one bit is a tad extreme imo.
As for penalty shootouts, I love them. It sucks when your team loses but it's one of the most fair ways to decide a match. It doesn't matter what you've done up to that point, if you don't got it you don't got it.
And you suggest Italy and Brazil should have played for as long as it took to determine a winner? I didn't see it myself but I've been told the match was incredibly uneventful and boring? If that is so then what is the point of prolonging the 120 minute spectacle with nothing going on? A penalty shootout is dramatic and sometimes cruel but at least it's fair since both teams have an equal chance to win it. And in some cases the efficiency of the penalty shootout is very necessary when a game can't be determined otherwise.
As for penalty shootouts, I love them. It sucks when your team loses but it's one of the most fair ways to decide a match. It doesn't matter what you've done up to that point, if you don't got it you don't got it.
And you suggest Italy and Brazil should have played for as long as it took to determine a winner? I didn't see it myself but I've been told the match was incredibly uneventful and boring? If that is so then what is the point of prolonging the 120 minute spectacle with nothing going on? A penalty shootout is dramatic and sometimes cruel but at least it's fair since both teams have an equal chance to win it. And in some cases the efficiency of the penalty shootout is very necessary when a game can't be determined otherwise.
Italy-Brazil in 94 was not boring at all, the fantastic Baggio was close on several occasions and Brazil had some good chances too. Italy's defense was as usual very solid.
You have to experience how it feels to see your side loose in a penalty shooutout to understand how bad it is. And i dont think it is a fair way to decide a winner just because it is entertaining for the viewers. There is much on stake (or what its called) for the players and nations.
IMO penalty shootout is more a "physcological game" than a football thing.
You have to experience how it feels to see your side loose in a penalty shooutout to understand how bad it is. And i dont think it is a fair way to decide a winner just because it is entertaining for the viewers. There is much on stake (or what its called) for the players and nations.
IMO penalty shootout is more a "physcological game" than a football thing.
Well I won't argue with you over how interesting the game was.
But I do know what it's like to lose a penalty shootout, in fact I've experienced it lots of times. France at Euro96, Holland at France98, even Juve in CL2003. But it doesn't change my opinion, I think it's a fair way to decide a game and if a team that has dominated the match for 120 minutes loses the shootout then they have only themselves to blame. Had Milan lost the shootout in 2003, it would have been so unfair but that's how it is, if you can't win the game in regulation, you lost your chance. Just like Holland blew every single chance they had at Euro2000 vs Italy. In no way was it fair for Italy to win that game but they did and that's how it is. The beauty of the game.
But I do know what it's like to lose a penalty shootout, in fact I've experienced it lots of times. France at Euro96, Holland at France98, even Juve in CL2003. But it doesn't change my opinion, I think it's a fair way to decide a game and if a team that has dominated the match for 120 minutes loses the shootout then they have only themselves to blame. Had Milan lost the shootout in 2003, it would have been so unfair but that's how it is, if you can't win the game in regulation, you lost your chance. Just like Holland blew every single chance they had at Euro2000 vs Italy. In no way was it fair for Italy to win that game but they did and that's how it is. The beauty of the game.
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In no way was it fair for Italy to win that game but they did and that's how it is. The beauty of the game.
In no way was it fair for Italy to win that game but they did and that's how it is. The beauty of the game.