tactics and formations (7 Viewers)

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
The 4-4-2 and the 3-5-2 do have their differences. The latter utilizes a three man defence consisting of central defenders, whereas the former uses two full backs. True, it isn't too hard to switch between the two formations during a game, but imo Olivera (Camoranesi) doesn't suit the 3-5-2 system.

The wide players in a 3-5-2 should be good two-way players. When Capello used this system with Roma he had Mancini and Lima. Zambrotta can be used on the left in this tactic, but who on the right ? Zebina and Birindelli are too defensive while Olivera and Camoranesi are the opposite

I agree with your post, but wouldnt discard the 3-5-2 formation

I hope Capello will dare to use Appiah in that position, as 2 or 3 times Lippi did it in the begining of the last season. He is offensive enough and also he can go down to defend. He has the lungs to run up and down and , in case of a sustitution, he can switch position to the CM...

 

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[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by AHKA ] ++
i'd like to see a 3-4-3 formation but it's to offensive so i don't think so but wouldn't it be great to see this
-------Thuram----------cannavaro------------legro---------------------------------------------Emerson---------------Blasi-------------------------------------Olivera-------------------------------------------Nedved--------------------------------------------------Delpiero------------------------------------------------------Zlatan----------------------------Trezeguet----------------------
This looks awesome

ever heard of a "linebreak?"

 

[Togon]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
The 4-4-2 and the 3-5-2 do have their differences. The latter utilizes a three man defence consisting of central defenders, whereas the former uses two full backs. True, it isn't too hard to switch between the two formations during a game, but imo Olivera (Camoranesi) doesn't suit the 3-5-2 system.

The wide players in a 3-5-2 should be good two-way players. When Capello used this system with Roma he had Mancini and Lima. Zambrotta can be used on the left in this tactic, but who on the right? Zebina and Birindelli are too defensive while Olivera and Camoranesi are the opposite.

I say we stick with 4-4-2.

of course there's 2 cd in 442, and 3 in 352, thank you for the information

But the difference between this two system is mainly depending on how rigidly, how strictly you use them. I think (and as he said it many times) under his second reign Lippi's intention was to build a team, which can play in various formations, and capable of changing from one to another during matches. (In long terms, he failed, imo mainly because the squad burnt out, but thats another story).

I think Capello's intentions are quite the same. Yes, I know in this point lot of people say he played 352 (or 532) with Roma nearly all time, but was it a rigid formation? Is 352 a rigid formation?

imo NO

First of all, most of the time its nearly impossible to tell whether its 352 or 532...

The two side players position is something between the def's, and mid's.

Two of the central defenders have two play (help out) a lot on the sides, much more than in a 4 men defence.

one of the forwards or mids should help the attacking play on the sides (like Delvecchio played most of the times as a left winger, while Tommasi helped a lot on the right)

and so on.

Playing 532 with Zambrotta on the left, and Zebina on the right (considering how many cd's we got its not an unreal option) is this formation so far from an assymmetric 442?

I dont think so.

If you got players like Zambro, Nedved, Del Piero, Emerson, and even Thuram or Zebina, both of them capable to play in various positions, the tactics you play should exploit this benefit and dont tie intelligent and versatile players to strict positions.


(edit) Capello used Lima as a leftback in his 532. For me it tells that he can use about any defending player in that position, even Chimenti.

 

[Stu]

I get what you're saying, but imo we don't have the requirements to switch from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 just like that. As you correctly pointed out, the wide players in the 3-5-2 are two-way players who do alot of defending AND attacking. Zambrotta would be very good in that role on the left, but Birindelli and Zebina aren't good enough offensively on the right while Olivera and Camoranesi aren't as defensively adept as they would need to be to make this system work.

 

[Togon]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
I get what you're saying, but imo we don't have the requirements to switch from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 just like that. As you correctly pointed out, the wide players in the 3-5-2 are two-way players who do alot of defending AND attacking. Zambrotta would be very good in that role on the left, but Birindelli and Zebina aren't good enough offensively on the right while Olivera and Camoranesi aren't as defensively adept as they would need to be to make this system work.

that was the situation with Lima, he was no good in attack, but he was capeable to cover his side defensively. I think a formation doesnt need to be simmetric to work well.

 

[Stu]

Lima is more competent in attack than Zebina and Birindelli are though.

 

[Dominic]

We could play Appiah on the right in a 3-5-2.

 

[44BigBert]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
We could play Appiah on the right in a 3-5-2.

he was put on the right side in many matches last season, and he did very well in this position.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

It is true, Appiah could play that role,:

thuram------montero------cannavaro

appiah----blasi----emerson---nedved---zambrotta

DP----------------ibra

i will like to see how our team performs in this formation....

 

[Stu]

Appiah on the right could work I guess, but he's better in the middle as far I'm concerned.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

I also prefer appiah as a CM, but we are talking in the hypotetic case we dare to play in a 3-5-2... as bigbert said, Lippi used him on that position last season and he did it well.....

 

[Stu]

I personally thought that Appiah did a better job in the centre when he so seldomly played there, but I agree with you when you say that he suits the 3-5-2 more than the other candidates.

 

[44BigBert]

even if capello put appiah at the centre, we still have many choices like blasi, kapo, camo and olivera for this position. that's something we don't have in the last couple of seasons.

what a team we have this year !!!

 

[Stu]

Kapo, Camo and Olivera won't be effective on the right of a 3-5-2.

 

[Dominic]

Eagle is right, you as well later Stuart. I simply meant that Appiah could be (best ) suited for the role on the right.

 

[Stu]

Yes I know and I agree with you, I just don't feel that 3-5-2 is right for us.

 

[Dominic]

It seems we agree about the 3-5-2 as well. We don't have mobile enough defenders anyway for a 3 man defence.

 

[Stu]

Whatever system we decide to use I think it should contain a back four.

 

[Dominic]

Yes. As I said our players don't fit a 3-man defence anyway.

 

[44BigBert]

since we have camo, kapo, appiah or even zambrotta can play on the right midfield, we can put olivera up front as the 4th strike in the team, just like yesterday match, everyone see that Olivera played great at DP's position, we lost miccolli but now we have olivera to replace him.