tactics and formations (26 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I agree that Nedved is often better in the middle, but the 4-4-2 does not have to be restricting. In Deschamps' formation, both Nedved and Camoranesi had the freedom to roam inwards as the pleased. It gave both players more effective ball-time down the middle, while still keeping enough width in the side. Besides, i'm also a fan of the 4-3-1-2, with Nedved in the position behind the forwards.

I think the the 4-4-2 is more solid defensively than a 4-3-3, with the latter the forwards are more advanced and it usually leaves the team fragile and exponsed on the wings, this was evident as early as the Newcastle game.

Actually, I believe that when we switched from the 4-3-3 to the 4-4-2 we became more suspect along the flanks, as Marchionni and Nedved were caught out, thus allowing for those Newcastle counterattacks that troubled us. We switched to the 4-4-2 around 16 minutes in, and after that, we really looked poor and they got their second goal after a counterattack and Zebina not stepping up on the trap.

I didn't mind Deschamps' formation but then again it will be undone by counterattacks along the wings if Camo or Nedved get caught up the pitch. I mean, in all honesty, the straight 4-4-2 is not entirely secure unless you make sure your wingers back track all the time. If you allow them to have freedom to roam wherever they want, that's where it becomes risky. Nedved cutting inside, Camoranesi cutting inside and getting stuck up the pitch, etc, will leave us stranded on the flanks. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, either way you have to sacrifice something.

 

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[Ahmed]

I think this would work.

--------------------------buffon-----------------------

-----grygera----------andrade----------chiellni-----

-----------------nocerino--------zanetti--------------

--------------------------tiago------------------------

---cammo-------------------------------neddy------

-------------------------------DP----------------------

---------------------Trez-----------------------------

....perhaps replace Zanetti with Almiron

 

[Morra10]

....perhaps replace Zanetti with Almiron

well I would switch almiron with zanetti and have tiago play beside nocerino but then it might leave some holes at the back. With 3 defenders, 2 ball winners might be useful. With our current personnel in defense I would rather start 3 at the back and maybe have 2 ball winners in front of them. But, If I'm right then tiago will adapt to a more defensive role with us this season.

This does look great though:

-----------nocerino---------tiago--------------

---------------------almiron--------------------

---cammo--------------------------neddy-----

-----------------------------DP-----------------

------------------Trez--------------------------

 

[Ahmed]

well I would switch almiron with zanetti and have tiago play beside nocerino but then it might leave some holes at the back. With 3 defenders, 2 ball winners might be useful. With our current personnel in defense I would rather start 3 at the back and maybe have 2 ball winners in front of them.

yea i was thinking along the same lines...if we aren't gonna buy another CB then fill up midfield with DMs...Tiago Camo and Nocerino/Zanetti can handle it

 

[sateeh]

I agree that Nedved is often better in the middle, but the 4-4-2 does not have to be restricting. In Deschamps' formation, both Nedved and Camoranesi had the freedom to roam inwards as the pleased. It gave both players more effective ball-time down the middle, while still keeping enough width in the side. Besides, i'm also a fan of the 4-3-1-2, with Nedved in the position behind the forwards.

I think the the 4-4-2 is more solid defensively than a 4-3-3, with the latter the forwards are more advanced and it usually leaves the team fragile and exponsed on the wings, this was evident as early as the Newcastle game.

At least we have plenty of options, on how to deploy our midfield and forward line, which should be a good thing(though i'm not completely sure about that, in regards to Ranieri's tinkering).


Of course, the result is more important than who we field... As long as Camo plays

i'm a fan of the 442 as well, as i think it is the more secure formation than the 433.

however Andy's arugement about the 433 is a good but i think you will need a the advanced wingers to track back more to help the midfielders, and if Alex and neddy are the ones playing it will strain them.

 

[Bjerknes]

i'm a fan of the 442 as well, as i think it is the more secure formation than the 433.

however Andy's arugement about the 433 is a good but i think you will need a the advanced wingers to track back more to help the midfielders, and if Alex and neddy are the ones playing it will strain them.

Camoranesi and Del Piero can easily come back to defend, as well as Nedved obviously. But people have their own opinions here regarding tactics... I won't be able to change them. I just hope we field the formation that brings us the most success but I have my doubts.

I just hate how some want to use something more traditional than innovative. I'm not a conservative sort of person, so I'm always thinking about alternative measures. We haven't used the 4-3-3 since 1997 I believe, but I'm not Ranieri so it doesnt matter.

 

[sateeh]

Camoranesi and Del Piero can easily come back to defend, as well as Nedved obviously. But people have their own opinions here regarding tactics... I won't be able to change them. I just hope we field the formation that brings us the most success but I have my doubts.

I just hate how some want to use something more traditional than innovative. I'm not a conservative sort of person, so I'm always thinking about alternative measures. We haven't used the 4-3-3 since 1997 I believe, but I'm not Ranieri so it doesnt matter.

dont you think its a bit straining fitness wise?

and fair enough about the rest of the post

 

[David01]

now that is what I call a well-argumented post, I totally agree.
I think the time has come now to have a line-up and tactic so our players can be accustomed when the season actually starts. Don't forget we have a lot of newcomers. Ran. has tried various tactics and I believe 4-3-3 looked the best.
Nedved and Camo are experienced players who can adjust to a different position. Besides Neddy sure isn't the player anymore he once was. He is gradually moving to center instead of being a winger. I only wished we had signed a cb, that is really my only concern for this season.

 

[Alltagsheld]

-----------------Buffon----------------
--Zebina-Grygera--Andrade--Chiellini
-----------------------------------------
-------Camo---Almiron--Nedved-----
-----------------------------------------
--Marchionni----Trez------DP---------

Nedved ad Almiron can also switch postions, but this looks good to me, especially after Marchionni's convincing performances lately.

 

[Gill_juve]

-----------------Buffon----------------
--Zebina-Grygera--Andrade--Chiellini
-----------------------------------------
-------Camo---Almiron--Nedved-----
-----------------------------------------
--Marchionni----Trez------DP--------

personally i would do this

-----------------Buffon----------------
--Zebina-Grygera--Andrade--Chiellini
-----------------------------------------
-------Tiago---Almiron--Nedved-----
-----------------------------------------
--Camo----------Trez------DP--------

i know we wouldnt have anyone defensive in the midfield but maybe we could switch nedved sometimes for zanetti or nocerino. and bring in iaquinta sometimes at right wing.

 

[David01]

-----------------Buffon----------------
--Zebina-Grygera--Andrade--Chiellini
-----------------------------------------
-------Camo---Almiron--Nedved-----
-----------------------------------------
--Marchionni----Trez------DP---------

Nedved ad Almiron can also switch postions, but this looks good to me, especially after Marchionni's convincing performances lately.

looks alright to me if you have the ball but our midfield lacks a player who can get the ball, needs a DM

 

[Marceℓℓo]

Say goodbye to 3-4-3 or 4-3-3,Ranieri stated today that he choose the 4-4-2.

So I guess...

______________Buffon____________

_Zebina__Andrade__Criscito__Chiellini

Camoranesi__Tiago__Almiron__Nedved

______Trezeguet____Del Piero______

I admit Nocerino deserves a place in the starting line-up judging after his pre-season performances.But I'd trust in Tiago first to prove himself,he is already labeled a flop by sports.itI hope he shows these douchebags of journalists what he is capable of.The rest is pretty clear I think,no surprises.

 

[David01]

what about this one


............................Buffon............................

Gryger.......Andrade.........Chiellini........Mollinaro

............................Nocerino............................

................Tiago..............Almiron....................


Camo.................................................Nedved


............................Trez...................................

 

[Red]

Say goodbye to 3-4-3 or 4-3-3,Ranieri stated today that he choose the 4-4-2.

So I guess...

______________Buffon____________

_Zebina__Andrade__Criscito__Chiellini

Camoranesi__Tiago__Almiron__Nedved

______Trezeguet____Del Piero______

I admit Nocerino deserves a place in the starting line-up judging after his pre-season performances.But I'd trust in Tiago first to prove himself,he is already labeled a flop by sports.itI hope he shows these douchebags of journalists what he is capable of.The rest is pretty clear I think,no surprises.

I would prefer Grygera over Zebina and I would play either Nocerino or Znetti in the big games.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

I would prefer Grygera over Zebina and I would play either Nocerino or Znetti in the big games.

I'm not sure about Grygera,I haven't see him play for us till now and from what I heard he wasn't great.Zebina is,imo,solid and he knows the team.But OK if Grygera is better than Zebina why not?

 

[Red]

I'm not sure about Grygera,I haven't see him play for us till now and from what I heard he wasn't great.Zebina is,imo,solid and he knows the team.But OK if Grygera is better than Zebina why not?

Grygera has only played CB for us, where he wasn't great. He is really a RB though.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

what about this one


............................Buffon............................

Gryger.......Andrade.........Chiellini........Mollinaro

............................Nocerino............................

................Tiago..............Almiron....................


Camo.................................................Nedved


............................Trez...................................

Nahh..maybe when Del Piero retires,so 2012Besides I don't think Molinaro can be a starter.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

Grygera has only played CB for us, where he wasn't great. He is really a RB though.

OK I didn''t knew that,Ranieri should test him as a RB maybe against Roma tomorrow?Or is he injured?

 

[tonykart]

I don't think Tiago is a flop. But, what Nocerino has to offer is far more valuable. I can see Tiago and Almiron sharing time at the center of the 442 midfield. Also, if we play a weaker team we can always increase the attack by putting them in the same midfield. Lock it down with Nocerino and Zanetti.

 

[Red]

OK I didn''t knew that,Ranieri should test him as a RB maybe against Roma tomorrow?Or is he injured?

Thats what should be done, but I don't know if his injury has cleared up in time to play tomorrow.

I don't think Tiago is a flop. But, what Nocerino has to offer is far more valuable. I can see Tiago and Almiron sharing time at the center of the 442 midfield. Also, if we play a weaker team we can always increase the attack by putting them in the same midfield. Lock it down with Nocerino and Zanetti.