tactics and formations (7 Viewers)

[Marc]

Please think before posting, if you can. All my formations prior to the one you quoted included Camoranesi on the right-forward slot, so get your facts straight.

I never said Camoranesi should be on the bench, but you're obviously trying to exploit one post you didn't understand, in the attempt to take away some of my credibility. At least give us a serious argument that is not based solely on your own stupidity.

Don´t bull me. I can find at least 10 posts where you diss Camo and doubt his quality. In some of you formations I see Camo, in some more I don´t. Don´t even try to deny it. Anyway, I don´t think the right-forward slot suits Camo.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Don´t bull me. I can find at least 10 posts where you diss Camo and doubt his quality. In some of you formations I see Camo, in some more I don´t. Don´t even try to deny it. Anyway, I don´t think the right-forward slot suits Camo.

Yeah, I think Camo is a little whiner, just like I think you're a little bitch. But that doesn't mean I won't include him in the formation that I prefer. I've always stated if I was the manager, I would field something like this, for your inferior brain.

XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX - XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX

Camoranesi - XXX - XXX

Look up all these posts made by me in this thread, imbecile. I'll be laughing all the way home. God you're so fucking dumb.

 

[Marc]

Yeah, I think Camo is a little whiner, just like I think you're a little bitch. But that doesn't mean I won't include him in the formation that I prefer. I've always stated if I was the manager, I would field something like this, for your inferior brain.

XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX - XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX

Camoranesi - XXX - XXX

Look up all these posts made by me in this thread, imbecile. I'll be laughing all the way home. God you're so fucking dumb.

Juventus is lucky you are not the Manager. I don´t know if you could even manage a local amateur American team.

Hell I don´t think you are even enough smart to play the game, and to be a Manager, it requires some special skills. (and I´m not referring to Football Manager here).

Don´t be so angry. I see right through you. That is why you keep on insulting. That is your only defense. Jack was right when he said you are an impolite piece of shit.

 

[Gill_juve]

I think this would work.

--------------------------buffon-----------------------

-----grygera----------andrade----------chiellni-----

-----------------nocerino--------zanetti--------------

--------------------------tiago------------------------

---cammo-------------------------------neddy------

-------------------------------DP----------------------

---------------------Trez-----------------------------

nice but i doubt CR will play both zanetti and nocerino together. he would play almiron and triago before both of them

 

[Stu]

Yeah, I think Camo is a little whiner, just like I think you're a little bitch. But that doesn't mean I won't include him in the formation that I prefer. I've always stated if I was the manager, I would field something like this, for your inferior brain.

XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX - XXX

XXX - XXX - XXX

Camoranesi - XXX - XXX

Look up all these posts made by me in this thread, imbecile. I'll be laughing all the way home. God you're so fucking dumb.

Who is XXX? :confused2

 

[Stu]

I like a 4-3-3 formation like we played against Napoli you can always debate of the names but the idea stays the same, how about this

.................................Buffon
Grygera............Andrade.......... Criscito......... Chiellini
...................................Nocerino
............................Tiago.......... Almiron
................Camo.............................. Del Piero
.....................................Trez

Like I said you can debate on the names as we have multiple possible formations. Nedved can play on the left or in center, Iaquinta on the right or as striker, Zanetti in midfield instead of Nocerino or Tiago...

Well that's the exact team I posted a few posts back so yeah, I agree.

Seriously though, I feel Tiago needs a DM next to him so that he can do what he does best. In a midfield tandem with Almiron he is restricted and we can't bench Almiron.

 

[Dominic]

Tiago, our most expensive signing.. Yet I think at the moment our team would be better off without him. He is a bit of a burden to our midfield.

 

[tonykart]

I am fan of attacking football that is why my formation is this:

Bufon

Grygera Andrade Chielini



Camoranesi/Salihamidzic Almiron Tiago Nedved



Iaquinta Trezeguet Del Piero​

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know that you are sceptic about this formation, but i think that we should change our mentality and to attack oponents. So the small squads that are more difenseble we could crush them with attacing. But our diffence should be very contentrated.

I am a fan of winning and making use of our talent. Juventus is built to run a 442. The 3-5-2 is not good for this team.

 

[tonykart]

Tiago, our most expensive signing.. Yet I think at the moment our team would be better off without him. He is a bit of a burden to our midfield.

Totally agree. I think he is more valuable to us as a tactical subsitution. Almiron has more to offer in attack and Nocerino/Zanetti has more to offer in defence. Tiago is a tweener who isn't performing right now. Maybe when he gets going again he can become a rotational player. He certainly hasn't earned a starting spot and you can't start player just based on the price you pay for them. Nocerino and Almiron with Zanetti and Tiago in rotation is good for me.

 

[sidd]

--------------------Buffon---------------


Zebina---Grygera-------Andrade-----Chiellini



----Almiron--------Nocerino--------Nedved-



--Camoranesi--------------Del Piero--------


------------------Trezeguet-------------------


or


---------------------Buffon--------------------------

Grygera------Andrade-----Cristico--------Chiellini



---Camoranesi------Nocerino----------Almiron-----


--------------------Nedved---------------------------


---------Trez-----------------DP----------------------

 

[Gill_juve]

no tiago??

 

[sidd]

Currently i feel nocerino merits a place over tiago for the good of the team

 

[tonykart]

Currently i feel nocerino merits a place over tiago for the good of the team

Aye.

 

[Bjerknes]

Juventus is lucky you are not the Manager. I don´t know if you could even manage a local amateur American team.

Hell I don´t think you are even enough smart to play the game, and to be a Manager, it requires some special skills. (and I´m not referring to Football Manager here).

Don´t be so angry. I see right through you. That is why you keep on insulting. That is your only defense. Jack was right when he said you are an impolite piece of shit.

Great argument. You stated I would not field Camoranesi and I asked you to prove that. But, yet again, you are unable to prove it and thus you lose the argument. Like I said in another thread, you can't beat me by making up false theories. I do insult you quite a lot because frankly you're one of the worst members here, but along with the insults come actual arguments, something you never ever provide. All you're capable of is insulting and side-stepping issues.

Is there any basis for your support of the French NT or are you just a Les Bleus gloryhunter? I've asked you to explain several times yet you never respond. I've asked you to explain why you have so much hate for Italy, but you never explain. I think we already know the real answer anyway, Mr. Croatia.

And by the way, I've played football for 17 years, probably playing against better players than you have, if you're going to question it.

 

[Bjerknes]

Tiago, our most expensive signing.. Yet I think at the moment our team would be better off without him. He is a bit of a burden to our midfield.

Tiago is a 4-3-3 player as I believe he's played that ever since being a starter with Benfica. We have the players to field a 4-3-3, especially in midfield, but most people want to go with the 4-4-2. My question to the management and to Ranieri would be, well, why would you buy a player such as Tiago when you're going to field the straight 4-4-2? Moreover, why would you buy Tiago if you're going to sit him on the bench?

Frankly, from what I've seen in these friendlies, we have looked the best when we have used the 4-3-3 or the 4-3-1-2. We beat Napoli using both of those formations, and we looked the best against the Geordies using the 4-3-3.

So in my opinion, from looking at our roster and taking friendlies into account, 4-3-3 looks like the best option in my opinion. With Nocerino or Zanetti sitting in front of the defense, we look very solid through the middle of the pitch, which is what many here are worried about with this defense of ours.

 

[Dominic]

As long as we have Nedved and Camoranesi available, the 4-4-2(or at least 4-3-1-2) is our best option. Nedved and Camoranesi are our best midfielders, it'd be nuts to bench either.

As you say, our defence needs protection, hence the inclusion of either Nocerino or Zanetti. Who do you drop, to include one of these? Tiago at the moment offers the side the least, making him candidate nr1 for the bench. Tiago was bought to be a starter yes, but that does not mean he has a clause that says he should always be in the first line-up. He needs to earn himself a place, and at the moment Almiron, Zanetti and Nocerino warrant more of a place and i'd think thrice before dropping one of Nedved, Camoranesi or Del Piero in our best line-up.

Ranieri being the tinkerman, will give everyone plenty of chances and I hope Tiago will still be able to win his spot next to Almiron, but as others pointed; it's better for the team if we play Zanetti or Nocerino instead.

 

[Bjerknes]

As long as we have Nedved and Camoranesi available, the 4-4-2(or at least 4-3-1-2) is our best option. Nedved and Camoranesi are our best midfielders, it'd be nuts to bench either.

As you say, our defence needs protection, hence the inclusion of either Nocerino or Zanetti. Who do you drop, to include one of these? Tiago at the moment offers the side the least, making him candidate nr1 for the bench. Tiago was bought to be a starter yes, but that does not mean he has a clause that says he should always be in the first line-up. He needs to earn himself a place, and at the moment Almiron, Zanetti and Nocerino warrant more of a place and i'd think thrice before dropping one of Nedved, Camoranesi or Del Piero in our best line-up.

Ranieri being the tinkerman, will give everyone plenty of chances and I hope Tiago will still be able to win his spot next to Almiron, but as others pointed; it's better for the team if we play Zanetti or Nocerino instead.

You make good arguments Dom, as always, but I just cannot agree here, except for the point about needing a destroyer. The 4-3-3 we have been using has looked far better in the friendlies and the straight 4-4-2 does not allow for the optimal amount of effectiveness for Nedved because he is better running through the middle. Pavel started his career as a winger indeed, but nowadays he's much better storming through the middle of the pitch instead of trying to beat players on the wing. The 4-4-2 does allow us to field more of our veterans, but it comes at an expense. In my opinion, we will be wasting Nedved and will not create as much, nor be as solid defensively, as we would with the 4-3-3.

And to be honest, the results are more important than who we field, and we agree in regards to that point. So on the other hand, looking at our performances and comparing the two systems, I think we should use the system that we are more suited to play and is more dangerous for opposition sides. In my opinion, that formation is the 4-3-3. If that calls for us to drop one of Camoranesi, Del Piero, Nedved, or even Tiago to allow Camoranesi or Nedved a spot in midfield, then so be it.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

I think it would be optimal if we switch between the 4-4-2 against for example the top 6-8 of Serie A,and against the weaker teams we could stick to 4-3-3.Every player will get his playing time sooner or later if we do it this way imo.Despite we'd be more surprising.

 

[Bjerknes]

I think it would be optimal if we switch between the 4-4-2 against for example the top 6-8 of Serie A,and against the weaker teams we could stick to 4-3-3.Every player will get his playing time sooner or later if we do it this way imo.Despite we'd be more surprising.

Well yeah, we could always switch tactics to suit our needs. For instance, the way we beat Milan a couple seasons ago was by owning them on the flanks and taking away their possession time, and we did that using the straight 4-4-2. However, against a side like Inter, I'd be more inclined to use the 4-3-3 because we need to hold the ball in midfield and constantly attack them. So we could easily do that.

 

[Dominic]

You make good arguments Dom, as always, but I just cannot agree here, except for the point about needing a destroyer. The 4-3-3 we have been using has looked far better in the friendlies and the straight 4-4-2 does not allow for the optimal amount of effectiveness for Nedved because he is better running through the middle. Pavel started his career as a winger indeed, but nowadays he's much better storming through the middle of the pitch instead of trying to beat players on the wing. The 4-4-2 does allow us to field more of our veterans, but it comes at an expense. In my opinion, we will be wasting Nedved and will not create as much, nor be as solid defensively, as we would with the 4-3-3.

And to be honest, the results are more important than who we field, and we agree in regards to that point. So on the other hand, looking at our performances and comparing the two systems, I think we should use the system that we are more suited to play and is more dangerous for opposition sides. In my opinion, that formation is the 4-3-3. If that calls for us to drop one of Camoranesi, Del Piero, Nedved, or even Tiago to allow Camoranesi or Nedved a spot in midfield, then so be it.

I agree that Nedved is often better in the middle, but the 4-4-2 does not have to be restricting. In Deschamps' formation, both Nedved and Camoranesi had the freedom to roam inwards as the pleased. It gave both players more effective ball-time down the middle, while still keeping enough width in the side. Besides, i'm also a fan of the 4-3-1-2, with Nedved in the position behind the forwards.

I think the the 4-4-2 is more solid defensively than a 4-3-3, with the latter the forwards are more advanced and it usually leaves the team fragile and exponsed on the wings, this was evident as early as the Newcastle game.

At least we have plenty of options, on how to deploy our midfield and forward line, which should be a good thing(though i'm not completely sure about that, in regards to Ranieri's tinkering).


Of course, the result is more important than who we field... As long as Camo plays