Tactics and Formations (21 Viewers)
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As much as I dislike 3-5-2 as a system, I don't see how it can be blamed for the CL exit.
Away to Copenhagen: Created heaps of chances and conceded from a set-piece - about the only time Copenhagen made it into Juve's half.
Home to Gala: Gave away two extraordinarily stupid goals that had nothing to do with the system.
Played ~4-3-3 in the games against Real.
Home to Copenhagen: Created plenty of chances and only conceded from a set-piece.
Away to Gala: Formations fairly irrelevant in such conditions, but playing a genuine back four may have prevented Gala's goal.
So, while I'm not about to suggest 3-5-2 is a good thing or that Juve absolutely must continue using it, I don't think this season's CL failure can be blamed on it.
Juve didn't play terribly well in most of the games, but ultimately it was stupid individual errors - both in giving away goals and in missing chances - that did for them.
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In conclusion, I think all Juve fans who dislike the 3-5-2 need to give up on them and pledge your allegiance to Aberdeen and our lovely 4-2-3-1/4-3-3.
So much pace, aggression and counter-attacking ability, while maintaing a nice balance to the team with an excellent defensive midfielder and defensive full backs.
Away to Copenhagen: Created heaps of chances and conceded from a set-piece - about the only time Copenhagen made it into Juve's half.
Home to Gala: Gave away two extraordinarily stupid goals that had nothing to do with the system.
Played ~4-3-3 in the games against Real.
Home to Copenhagen: Created plenty of chances and only conceded from a set-piece.
Away to Gala: Formations fairly irrelevant in such conditions, but playing a genuine back four may have prevented Gala's goal.
So, while I'm not about to suggest 3-5-2 is a good thing or that Juve absolutely must continue using it, I don't think this season's CL failure can be blamed on it.
Juve didn't play terribly well in most of the games, but ultimately it was stupid individual errors - both in giving away goals and in missing chances - that did for them.
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In conclusion, I think all Juve fans who dislike the 3-5-2 need to give up on them and pledge your allegiance to Aberdeen and our lovely 4-2-3-1/4-3-3.
So much pace, aggression and counter-attacking ability, while maintaing a nice balance to the team with an excellent defensive midfielder and defensive full backs.
If we are going to try to control the game and dictate play, the only way we will win like that is by making every attack count. Obviously goals is what this team needs because of the amount of chances created however, Juve have to also up the tempo. While some say the 3-5-2 is not to blame, they are partially true. To me the biggest problem with the 3-5-2 or disadvangte besides the extra cb is the lack of players on the wings. While Vidal and Marchisio/Pogba do play in a wider role and cover for the wb, they are forced to cover a large amount of ground and if they are caught out on the wing then the are forced to retreat back and like everyone knows we shift to a back 5 and are pressured alot in our own half. If the 3-5-2 is to continue then a lwb like stated is a priority and asa can shift to be a back up cm. However I don't see Juve winning anything other than Serie A with the 3-5-2. It has been stated on Tuz numerous of times. Whether it be the formation or the tactics, they both play a role in the game. Both the tactics and formation needs to be changed if Juve have any desire to really make a name for themselves on the European field.
Realistically if we wanted to stick to the 3-5-2 and implement it in Europe with an actual hope of success then we would have to make big changes.
First of all, Licht is a fantastic RB and Asamoah looks to be a dynamic, energetic CM. But NEITHER of these two players have the offensive qualities neccesary to play LWB and RWB in Europe. People will argue 'But they're defensively solid' blah blah blah etc etc.
Well we've all seen infront of our own eyes how much that's benefited us in the CL
Besides, it doesn't matter how 'defensively great' they are. Because when we need a goal and our wing backs press high up the pitch, we eventually get countered and I don't care how good you are at making a challenge, it's going to be quite difficult dispossessing the player who's 40 yards infront of you. It makes no difference basically.
So, two new attacking wing-backs. Who also put in a decent shift. Cuadrado and Criscito perhaps
Second of all, we can stick to having a Regista although i'm not a fan of this because replacing Pirlo would be like selling Vidal and hoping to find an equal replacement for him. There are none, so no matter what if we stick to a Regista we'll eventually take a dive in quality.
The better option would be to buy an attacking midfielder. That way we can still have a real creative force in the team without trying to replace the irreplacable. Makes sense to me. Of course the formation would resemble more of a 3-4-1-2 but that's minor details really
Last of all, we really do need a goal scoring machine if we're serious about mounting a challenge in Europe. Llorente or Tevez (Probably Llorente) would have to take a seat. I'm more than ok with that. Tevez might not be a real threat in Europe but he will cover a lot of ground and help take pressure off of whoever he was partnered with.
So basically, if we want to stick to 3-5-2 and improve significantly it won't be any cheaper (One could argue it would be even more expensive) than changing our system. Or... we buy another few depth players and repeat this season over & over again.
First of all, Licht is a fantastic RB and Asamoah looks to be a dynamic, energetic CM. But NEITHER of these two players have the offensive qualities neccesary to play LWB and RWB in Europe. People will argue 'But they're defensively solid' blah blah blah etc etc.
Well we've all seen infront of our own eyes how much that's benefited us in the CL
Besides, it doesn't matter how 'defensively great' they are. Because when we need a goal and our wing backs press high up the pitch, we eventually get countered and I don't care how good you are at making a challenge, it's going to be quite difficult dispossessing the player who's 40 yards infront of you. It makes no difference basically.
So, two new attacking wing-backs. Who also put in a decent shift. Cuadrado and Criscito perhaps
Second of all, we can stick to having a Regista although i'm not a fan of this because replacing Pirlo would be like selling Vidal and hoping to find an equal replacement for him. There are none, so no matter what if we stick to a Regista we'll eventually take a dive in quality.
The better option would be to buy an attacking midfielder. That way we can still have a real creative force in the team without trying to replace the irreplacable. Makes sense to me. Of course the formation would resemble more of a 3-4-1-2 but that's minor details really
Last of all, we really do need a goal scoring machine if we're serious about mounting a challenge in Europe. Llorente or Tevez (Probably Llorente) would have to take a seat. I'm more than ok with that. Tevez might not be a real threat in Europe but he will cover a lot of ground and help take pressure off of whoever he was partnered with.
So basically, if we want to stick to 3-5-2 and improve significantly it won't be any cheaper (One could argue it would be even more expensive) than changing our system. Or... we buy another few depth players and repeat this season over & over again.
Half joking, obviously.
But Aberdeen are doing far, far more I approve of this season - in terms of tactics/style/mentality - than Juve are.
In fact Aberdeen are doing more I approve of than pretty much anyone I've see this season.
Gladbach are the other team I've liked the look of. After struggling with the loss of Reus last year they're back to having a great balance.
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While my dog was present for the writing of the post, she didn't actively contribute, so it didn't seem appropriate.
But Aberdeen are doing far, far more I approve of this season - in terms of tactics/style/mentality - than Juve are.
In fact Aberdeen are doing more I approve of than pretty much anyone I've see this season.
Gladbach are the other team I've liked the look of. After struggling with the loss of Reus last year they're back to having a great balance.
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Should have added a "wow" at the end, Red. 
Realistically if we wanted to stick to the 3-5-2 and implement it in Europe with an actual hope of success then we would have to make big changes.
First of all, Licht is a fantastic RB and Asamoah looks to be a dynamic, energetic CM. But NEITHER of these two players have the offensive qualities neccesary to play LWB and RWB in Europe. People will argue 'But they're defensively solid' blah blah blah etc etc.
Well we've all seen infront of our own eyes how much that's benefited us in the CL
Besides, it doesn't matter how 'defensively great' they are. Because when we need a goal and our wing backs press high up the pitch, we eventually get countered and I don't care how good you are at making a challenge, it's going to be quite difficult dispossessing the player who's 40 yards infront of you. It makes no difference basically.
So, two new attacking wing-backs. Who also put in a decent shift. Cuadrado and Criscito perhaps
Second of all, we can stick to having a Regista although i'm not a fan of this because replacing Pirlo would be like selling Vidal and hoping to find an equal replacement for him. There are none, so no matter what if we stick to a Regista we'll eventually take a dive in quality.
The better option would be to buy an attacking midfielder. That way we can still have a real creative force in the team without trying to replace the irreplacable. Makes sense to me. Of course the formation would resemble more of a 3-4-1-2 but that's minor details really
Last of all, we really do need a goal scoring machine if we're serious about mounting a challenge in Europe. Llorente or Tevez (Probably Llorente) would have to take a seat. I'm more than ok with that. Tevez might not be a real threat in Europe but he will cover a lot of ground and help take pressure off of whoever he was partnered with.
So basically, if we want to stick to 3-5-2 and improve significantly it won't be any cheaper (One could argue it would be even more expensive) than changing our system. Or... we buy another few depth players and repeat this season over & over again.
First of all, Licht is a fantastic RB and Asamoah looks to be a dynamic, energetic CM. But NEITHER of these two players have the offensive qualities neccesary to play LWB and RWB in Europe. People will argue 'But they're defensively solid' blah blah blah etc etc.
Well we've all seen infront of our own eyes how much that's benefited us in the CL
Besides, it doesn't matter how 'defensively great' they are. Because when we need a goal and our wing backs press high up the pitch, we eventually get countered and I don't care how good you are at making a challenge, it's going to be quite difficult dispossessing the player who's 40 yards infront of you. It makes no difference basically.
So, two new attacking wing-backs. Who also put in a decent shift. Cuadrado and Criscito perhaps
Second of all, we can stick to having a Regista although i'm not a fan of this because replacing Pirlo would be like selling Vidal and hoping to find an equal replacement for him. There are none, so no matter what if we stick to a Regista we'll eventually take a dive in quality.
The better option would be to buy an attacking midfielder. That way we can still have a real creative force in the team without trying to replace the irreplacable. Makes sense to me. Of course the formation would resemble more of a 3-4-1-2 but that's minor details really
Last of all, we really do need a goal scoring machine if we're serious about mounting a challenge in Europe. Llorente or Tevez (Probably Llorente) would have to take a seat. I'm more than ok with that. Tevez might not be a real threat in Europe but he will cover a lot of ground and help take pressure off of whoever he was partnered with.
So basically, if we want to stick to 3-5-2 and improve significantly it won't be any cheaper (One could argue it would be even more expensive) than changing our system. Or... we buy another few depth players and repeat this season over & over again.