Tactics and Formations (15 Viewers)
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In all seriousness, I think this team would be enough to get us to the Europa semi-finals. And when we're that close to the final in our own stadium, we can bring in most of our first team XI to finish the job
Buffon
Isla Caceres Ogbonna *** Peluso
Nainggolan Marchisio Asamoah
Quags Giovinco/Mirko
The *** is basically a gap which would require a first team player
So, either of our first choice CB 3 can fill in, depending on who's fit and ready.
Alternatively, we can hope Pepe is fit enough for let's say the last 16 tie which is the one after our next tie. And if we land Menez on the cheap we could just 4-3-3 it and then we could use a back line purely made up of our non-starting defenders
Buffon
Isla Caceres Ogbonna Peluso
Radja Marchisio Asamoah
Pepe Quags Menez/Vucinic
Buffon
Isla Caceres Ogbonna *** Peluso
Nainggolan Marchisio Asamoah
Quags Giovinco/Mirko
The *** is basically a gap which would require a first team player
So, either of our first choice CB 3 can fill in, depending on who's fit and ready.
Alternatively, we can hope Pepe is fit enough for let's say the last 16 tie which is the one after our next tie. And if we land Menez on the cheap we could just 4-3-3 it and then we could use a back line purely made up of our non-starting defenders
Buffon
Isla Caceres Ogbonna Peluso
Radja Marchisio Asamoah
Pepe Quags Menez/Vucinic
Haven't seen much mention of it, but there are interesting signs of Conte developing as a coach and Juve having more option in their playing style.
There was the obvious case of him playing 4-3-3 against Real Madrid, but I thought the way he set Juve out to play against Roma was more interesting.
I can't recall many (any?) occasions in Serie A where Conte has set Juve out with the intention of not dominating territory and possession.
I can, however, recall plenty of occasions where I thought it was a mistake for Juve to try and dominate territory and possession because of it leaving Juve looking vulnerable against counter-attacking teams.
I'd be interested to know what it was that prompted the change in approach for that Roma game.
It could be that he thought Roma were a scarier counter-attacking prospect than anything else he had come across in Italy recently, but I'm not convinced that's the case given how he was inclined to face up to Napoli in the last couple of years.
Could also be due to the idea that Juve don't tend to be in their peak condition in January, so the best bet was to avoid being dragged into playing a high-energy, open game.
Or the willingness to play like that may just be another side affect of Juve having much better forwards than they have in recent years. That they can be relied upon to retain possession and allow the team to get up the pitch if they have been defending deep is certainly not something that previous forwards - Vucinic, sometimes, aside - could relied on to do regularly. And, though neither of them scored against Roma, Llorente and Tevez have shown themselves to be more clinical than Juve's forwards in previous seasons, so not feeling the need to create heaps of chances just to score a goal or two could also have given Conte the confidence that Juve could play in a much more defensive manner and still win the game.
There was the obvious case of him playing 4-3-3 against Real Madrid, but I thought the way he set Juve out to play against Roma was more interesting.
I can't recall many (any?) occasions in Serie A where Conte has set Juve out with the intention of not dominating territory and possession.
I can, however, recall plenty of occasions where I thought it was a mistake for Juve to try and dominate territory and possession because of it leaving Juve looking vulnerable against counter-attacking teams.
I'd be interested to know what it was that prompted the change in approach for that Roma game.
It could be that he thought Roma were a scarier counter-attacking prospect than anything else he had come across in Italy recently, but I'm not convinced that's the case given how he was inclined to face up to Napoli in the last couple of years.
Could also be due to the idea that Juve don't tend to be in their peak condition in January, so the best bet was to avoid being dragged into playing a high-energy, open game.
Or the willingness to play like that may just be another side affect of Juve having much better forwards than they have in recent years. That they can be relied upon to retain possession and allow the team to get up the pitch if they have been defending deep is certainly not something that previous forwards - Vucinic, sometimes, aside - could relied on to do regularly. And, though neither of them scored against Roma, Llorente and Tevez have shown themselves to be more clinical than Juve's forwards in previous seasons, so not feeling the need to create heaps of chances just to score a goal or two could also have given Conte the confidence that Juve could play in a much more defensive manner and still win the game.
The 4231 is only trending with big teams around europe. I like to watch Liverpool play it, yes i know they have Suarez, but other then that I really like the fact that they believe in their own qualities and strive to score a goal more then their opponent rather then wait it out and play it safe, as i feel we do far too often. With only a few signings we have the perfect players for 4231.
Dortmund went to the finals of CL last year with this formation and the belief in own youth. Reus, Götze, Lewandowski were all rather unproven players two-three years ago and one season after they took BvB to the finals. For us to take back Berardi and trust him full time is no different then Dortmund putting faith in Reus(back when) but also currently Liverpool in Sterling, Arsenal in Chamberlain, United in Januzaj, Chelsea in Oscar..
Dortmund went to the finals of CL last year with this formation and the belief in own youth. Reus, Götze, Lewandowski were all rather unproven players two-three years ago and one season after they took BvB to the finals. For us to take back Berardi and trust him full time is no different then Dortmund putting faith in Reus(back when) but also currently Liverpool in Sterling, Arsenal in Chamberlain, United in Januzaj, Chelsea in Oscar..
Pretty much every time we lose a game, it's due to the same negative approach.
Key things to look out for.
Our MF gets pressed into oblivion, Pirlo becomes useless and we sit back
We play it around our back 3, when the pressure intensifies, one of our wide CBs pass it to the near wing-back, who has his back to goal.
The Wing back then punts the ball blindly up the pitch, often to the opposition
Our strikers both end up coming so deep, that they are rendered useless
This happens in most of our cup competition games, Conte must have surely learned by now that when we allow teams to keep coming at us again and again, our system does not work
The 'regista' is null and void
We have 1 too many defenders, resulting in our attack being swarmed
Our wing-backs are useless as a counter attacking force, whereas Wingers would be just fine hitting on the break.
Key things to look out for.
Our MF gets pressed into oblivion, Pirlo becomes useless and we sit back
We play it around our back 3, when the pressure intensifies, one of our wide CBs pass it to the near wing-back, who has his back to goal.
The Wing back then punts the ball blindly up the pitch, often to the opposition
Our strikers both end up coming so deep, that they are rendered useless
This happens in most of our cup competition games, Conte must have surely learned by now that when we allow teams to keep coming at us again and again, our system does not work
The 'regista' is null and void
We have 1 too many defenders, resulting in our attack being swarmed
Our wing-backs are useless as a counter attacking force, whereas Wingers would be just fine hitting on the break.
Juve weren't deep because of being pressed tonight.
Juve went out with the plan to stay pretty deep to deny Roma counter attacks just as they did in the game in Turin (though I don't remember too many complaints about the negative tactics after that game).
The problem - in contrast to the game against Roma in Turin - was that Juve's strikers didn't hold the ball up well enough to allow Juve to get up the pitch and mount attacks in the way there were able to in the previous game against Roma.
Juve either needed to play in the same fashion, but with at least one of Tevez and Llorente, or play a bolder game - which would have risked conceding more counter attacks - but probably would have suited the players that were fielded more.
Juve went out with the plan to stay pretty deep to deny Roma counter attacks just as they did in the game in Turin (though I don't remember too many complaints about the negative tactics after that game).
The problem - in contrast to the game against Roma in Turin - was that Juve's strikers didn't hold the ball up well enough to allow Juve to get up the pitch and mount attacks in the way there were able to in the previous game against Roma.
Juve either needed to play in the same fashion, but with at least one of Tevez and Llorente, or play a bolder game - which would have risked conceding more counter attacks - but probably would have suited the players that were fielded more.
Yeah that's the thing though
Even with our first team, we try to play it out from the back. But under any form of pressure we fail at it mightily. The difference is, we have a 210 pound, 6 foot 5 target to aim for now.
But we can't keep relying on that. Even though 3-5-2 at full strength is doing well for us, i'm a firm believer in scrapping this system entirely. Having 5 defenders AND a regista dropping short to collect 5 yard passes leaves with very few options going forward.
Without Llorente, it's hopefull panic long balls to a striker like Giovinco, who has no hope in hell of winning these balls.
Even with our first team, we try to play it out from the back. But under any form of pressure we fail at it mightily. The difference is, we have a 210 pound, 6 foot 5 target to aim for now.
But we can't keep relying on that. Even though 3-5-2 at full strength is doing well for us, i'm a firm believer in scrapping this system entirely. Having 5 defenders AND a regista dropping short to collect 5 yard passes leaves with very few options going forward.
Without Llorente, it's hopefull panic long balls to a striker like Giovinco, who has no hope in hell of winning these balls.