Tactics and Formations (21 Viewers)

[deggen10]

This formation is

-------Matri(Vuci)-------
Elia-----Vidal------Krasic
----Pirlo----Marchisio----
LB---Chi----CB----Lichtsteiner

Just let Vidal run free, the man is a beast. There's no midfielder in SerieA that can roam like him.

 

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[Mauri84]

This formation is

-------Matri(Vuci)-------
Elia-----Vidal------Krasic
----Pirlo----Marchisio----
LB---Chi----CB----Lichtsteiner

Just let Vidal run free, the man is a beast. There's no midfielder in SerieA that can roam like him.

That's true but we can't just have Pirlo and Marchisio do it all on the midfield. We play with 3 midfielders together or 2 controlling players like Vidal and Marchisio and than Pirlo in a more attakking role like against Parma. Vidal has great reaction-play and speed which we need to take controle of the midfield and counter attack.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

When we have a comfortable lead, I'd like to see us rest Pirlo and try Marchisio-Vidal. Besides the need to keep Pirlo fresh, it'd be interesting to see how the M-V duo works as a contingency plan in case we are without Pirlo. It might also turn out to be the pairing we rely on in the long term.

 

[ALC]

I also want to see the M-V duo. They're decent enough in attacking, they'd probably be a pretty good fit. Solid and reliable.

 

[Cheesio]

I also want to see the M-V duo. They're decent enough in attacking, they'd probably be a pretty good fit. Solid and reliable.

Neither one of them have good vision, neither is an excellent passer.

 

[ALC]

They've got good vision and decent passing. We're supposed to play mainly through the wings anyways.

I'd like to see them play for only a half at least, just to get an idea.

 

[deggen10]

I also want to see the M-V duo. They're decent enough in attacking, they'd probably be a pretty good fit. Solid and reliable.

That is probably Conte's preferred system but Pirlo's form/rep forced him to change.

M-V is good for league play and old Juve made good use of 2 DMs... but did it work in CL? or will it work without superstars up front?

Who knows, but Pirlo should be open to resting a few games here and there since it should extend his career anyway.

 

[Mauri84]

That is probably Conte's preferred system but Pirlo's form/rep forced him to change.

M-V is good for league play and old Juve made good use of 2 DMs... but did it work in CL? or will it work without superstars up front?

Who knows, but Pirlo should be open to resting a few games here and there since it should extend his career anyway.

We have superstars up front and there is no need of thinking of champions league already. Let's finish withing 3th place this year and let's beat Siena first shall we

 

[LowLife]

Do you guys think that teams who play 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 will overrun our midfield?

 

[ZoSo]

Yes, if Pirlo is playing and if we play a two man midfield. We should play 4-3-3 against teams like Napoli, Milan & Merda.

 

[Fint]

Wasn't sure where to post this?

 

[Lapa]

If only we could finish like that in real matches.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

PIRLO-VIDAL-MARCHISIO: THE BACKBONE OF CONTE'S JUVE

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Midfield in three, as rarely happened to Juventus in recent years . Not even with Zidane we hadn't a midfield in three, because in fact the French genius could come in and do a little defensive moves. And because Juve have always had very strong wings, that is the real lack at present.


Not even with Diego because the Brazilian cut inside , though without giving the support that was expected.


This time, de facto, is a three midfield(wingers play a particular role). Pirlo front of the defense, albeit at a slightly more advanced then the classic defensive mediate from the 50s, but in the rearmost position compared to Xavi. So Vidal and Marchisio to play around.


The skills of Pirlo are indisputable: only Allegri could create a problem. There is a phrase that I love when we are together at the bar: "At least we had paid for Davids." This little genius they have given to us.


Marchisio, we have built him in our house, as happened in the '70s / '80s when from the youth came out a couple of boys then passed to the history for quantity and quality of wins (in black and white jersey and azzurra shirt).


Vidal has cost almost as much as Lamela and certainly as Alvarez. Ripped from a neurasthenic Rummenigge, anticipating the various European clubs who had learned to know him at the last American tournament, Marotta has reversed the trend that saw Juventus as a sort of dump of midfielders: Poulsen, Almiron, Tiago, Diego, in no particular order .


Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio. Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal, the order you do it. In reality there is not a precise tactical order. Rather, there would be at least on paper: Pirlo in the middle to dictate the timing, Vidal at his right , Marchisio on his left. Then the dynamics of the two young men who mess up plans to whoever try to curb it.


So far Conte has faced several opponents modules: 4 midfield, midfield to 5, closed teams, the mirror teams like playing with AC Milan.


So far Conte has also changed the modules of departure: Vidal close behind the first striker with Marchisio next to Pirlo, or with Marchisio and Vidal as fake trequartisiti and Pirlo on the median axis of the two defenders.


The beauty is that all these tactical tricks shatter when the ball is moved with great order.


The characteristics of the three midfielders are incredibly complementary.


The slow pace (at least so they say) of Pirlo is balanced by the ferocity of Vidal and his competitive race for ever. Marchisio is also very mobile, which allows him to cover well the spaces in front of the defense and re-start with speed. Against the prescriti this mix of action was seen precisely in relation to the penalty not awarded by Rizzoli.


The common factor to all three is the exquisite technique. Incomparable that of the Brescian, rather than the good that of Marchisio, very very good that of Vidal. Difficult lose the ball, jumping the man and know very well know baste any kind of action.


Marchisio is perhaps who draws most benefit from the wide spaces granted by the attackers. Slips with exceptional timing and improved the percentage of scoring.


Vidal, after scoring at his debut, apparently is anxious for a moment. The shot is very good, powerful but inaccurate. Said he is limiting his entries because probably Conte calls for greater presence in midfield - in fact the most important weapon of Juve to avoid dangerous counters of opposition - we expect better luck in the penalty area. He has the header and the sense of the entry, but not the cynicism that brought him over 10 goals quota in the Bundesliga .


Marchisio, Pirlo, Vidal. Many coaches, before meeting with Juventus, said: "If you stop Pirlo, you stop Juve." Concept that does not find confirmation in the field. You stop Pirlo and Marchisio is there. You stop Marchisio and is Vidal.


We run the risk of being addicted? Well, it's certainly a nice addiction. The answer we will get when just one of the three will miss. In fact this has already happened, but we await more concrete evidence.


What is certain is that a great team is composed of a hard core always homogeneous. Anyone who can remember the pins of Lippi's Juventus: the first version (Montero, Ferrara, Conte, Davids, Zidane, Del Piero) and the second version (Montero, Ferrara, Nedved, Camoranesi, Del Piero, Trezeguet). So it was really hard as the hoof of Capello: Thuram, Cannavaro, Emerson, Nedved, Camoranesi.


And now with Conte the certainty it is that trio... the trio of wonders ... has cost Juve only 12 million.

http://www.zizoufans.com/2011/11/pirlo-vidal-marchisio-backbone-of.html

 

[Kidtaf]

Anyone have the 3-5-2 formation? I couldn't catch the whole game only bits here and there.

 

[Red]

Anyone have the 3-5-2 formation? I couldn't catch the whole game only bits here and there.

Buffon

Bonucci
Barzagli-----Chiellini

Lichtsteiner-----Pirlo-----Estigarribia

Vidal----Pepe

Vucinic---Matri​

 

[Dominic]

Looked like the 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 of the previous matches to me.

 

[Salvatore]

Estigarribia was a winger who was instructed to follow Maggio if he dared to run forward. The rest was pretty much the same, apart from Pepe.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Buffon

Bonucci
Barzagli-----Chiellini

Lichtsteiner-----Pirlo-----Estigarribia

Vidal----Pepe

Vucinic---Matri​

I must say that i disagree with you Red. I dont think that we played with 3 defenders. I think that we played 4-3-3, slightly modified, we didnt have a classic RW but Licht had the whole right side just for himself. That is why we had 3 Mid's and Esti as a LW so that Juve would be unbalanced, focusing more players on the left and forcing Napoli to also take more players to that side thus making things easier for Licht to work his magic on the right. That was the whole point as Conte said, for he considered Maggio to be the biggest threat. Maybe im wrong, but that is what i think i saw.


Buffon
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini

Pirlo
Vidal Pepe Estigaribia

Vucinic Matri

 

[Juve_fanatic]

................................Buffon..................

Lichtsteiner......Barzaglie....Bonucci...Chiellini

.........................Pirlo...............................
................Vidal............Pepe....Estigaribia....

................Vucinic.......Matri...............


It didnt turn out as i wanted it in my previos post.

 

[Cheesio]

It was a 3-5-2 actually.

Here a link to a in depth tactical breakdown of the tactics used yesterday, it's in Italian tough ( Google chrome translate )

http://www.uccellinodidelpiero.com/...uventus-3-3-recupero-11a-giornata-campionato/