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So we go from 7th to breezing through Serie A twice now and doing pretty damn well in the CL. Yes we got out manned by Bayern and you can say that Chelsea looked bad. I guess I just wont get the idea of switching formations going into the season. In 2010 Inter won the Cl with only one man on the flank. Every formation has an advantage and you hope that yours is greater than the opponent. Obviously the Italians in history have thought the advantage could be won through the tactical side of the game more than the outright use of players in the same system as the other team. There are plenty of great teams that fail with a 4-3-3. Chelsea,Man City, Psg, Milan, etc. The revolution right now is not the 4-3-3 its the adaptation of high pressure of the field in zones. You look who pressures well up the field and you can see who is the best in limiting opportunities for the opponent. Barca lean more to the possesion side and tiki taki but definitely have high pressure and run it very well and organized. Their offense is very aligned with the defense and are wuick to act and win the ball back. Dortmund did the same thing but less tiki taki and more organized attack and pressure. Bayern did the best hybrid having the secong highest possession rate in euro top 5 leagues to Barca but had much better defense.
Not only do Juve not have wingers to properly exploit such a system but if we did the rate of effiency would take at least a full season to adapt and do well against teams that are hard set in the system for at least 5 years now. The system is about to peak and when it does the clubs start looking at other methods to be successful. I think this way is possibly the 3 man defense. Yes Cannavaro said defenders cant defens 1v1 and thats the problem but I disagree. In an era of false nines and stacking the midfield til you overload and can possess wherever you need the flexibility that a 3-5-2 gives you.
4 man defense is more rigid and if winger constantly check back and run through the midfield they have to step or get cought standing til the opponent is moving the ball around their box
Having said this I know the debate will always favor the standard formation that is established and everyone is going to but I think its only fair to judge the formation with proper strikers made for this system. I mean Strikers the hold the ball up well and let the midfield get into the attack.
Enough of my ramble
Not only do Juve not have wingers to properly exploit such a system but if we did the rate of effiency would take at least a full season to adapt and do well against teams that are hard set in the system for at least 5 years now. The system is about to peak and when it does the clubs start looking at other methods to be successful. I think this way is possibly the 3 man defense. Yes Cannavaro said defenders cant defens 1v1 and thats the problem but I disagree. In an era of false nines and stacking the midfield til you overload and can possess wherever you need the flexibility that a 3-5-2 gives you.
4 man defense is more rigid and if winger constantly check back and run through the midfield they have to step or get cought standing til the opponent is moving the ball around their box
Having said this I know the debate will always favor the standard formation that is established and everyone is going to but I think its only fair to judge the formation with proper strikers made for this system. I mean Strikers the hold the ball up well and let the midfield get into the attack.
Enough of my ramble
In the end it was pretty clear why Conte went for a 352.
1) Bonucci. Good on the ball but used to be a liability in a back 4.
2) Lichsteiner. Conte thinks he has more to offer by giving him more leeway to go forward,
3) Pirlo. Needs to be flanked by 2 other CMs and they happen to be Vidal and Marchisio/Pogba
I think its pure media speculation that Conte would revert back to a 433. But here are some reasons why he might:
1) Pepe. Conte played the 433 when Pepe was used and now he is back to training.
2) Tevez & Vucinic. These are both versatile attacking players that can be played behind a striker like Llorente
3) Ogbonna, Peluso, Zuniga? Perhaps these could be used as the left full back. A spot we felt was always a little bit of a weakness when we had to rely on De Ceglie only to move Chiellini into that spot for lack of better options.
1) Bonucci. Good on the ball but used to be a liability in a back 4.
2) Lichsteiner. Conte thinks he has more to offer by giving him more leeway to go forward,
3) Pirlo. Needs to be flanked by 2 other CMs and they happen to be Vidal and Marchisio/Pogba
I think its pure media speculation that Conte would revert back to a 433. But here are some reasons why he might:
1) Pepe. Conte played the 433 when Pepe was used and now he is back to training.
2) Tevez & Vucinic. These are both versatile attacking players that can be played behind a striker like Llorente
3) Ogbonna, Peluso, Zuniga? Perhaps these could be used as the left full back. A spot we felt was always a little bit of a weakness when we had to rely on De Ceglie only to move Chiellini into that spot for lack of better options.
Not convinced by the Lichtsteiner part.
Pirlo was a factor, though.
Juve didn't want to tie Vidal or Marchisio down to playing the sort of genuine defensive midfield role that one would associate Pirlo having someone playing beside him, so the way to allow those two freedom while still maintaining the balance of the team was to play the extra centre half.
Pirlo was a factor, though.
Juve didn't want to tie Vidal or Marchisio down to playing the sort of genuine defensive midfield role that one would associate Pirlo having someone playing beside him, so the way to allow those two freedom while still maintaining the balance of the team was to play the extra centre half.
Conte changed formations a lot in his frist season. when the 3-5-2 wasnt working during games, he would change it around to suit what best fit against the team we were playing. I think last season he was more rigid and at times it backfired.
I think you play a formation that best suits your players and the team you play against. No point playing tactics that will get you smashed in Europe against thes best if you can change things around and be more competitive.
This is why I like the idea of gettign Zuniga, and already having tevez and llorente locked away, we do become more versatile. Conte should mix it around where he needs to.
I think you play a formation that best suits your players and the team you play against. No point playing tactics that will get you smashed in Europe against thes best if you can change things around and be more competitive.
This is why I like the idea of gettign Zuniga, and already having tevez and llorente locked away, we do become more versatile. Conte should mix it around where he needs to.
struggled against teams like celtic and everton 
3-5-2 
before, we had adequate width with more or less the same squad played in 4-3-3, now this supposedly improved squad seem to play worse and easily fucked om flanks
what the fuck is wrong with trying isla at RWF ahead litch/caceres to provide that width? he can't be worse than pepe, tevez-llorente-isla in the same way as vucinic-matri-pepe won't be hurt to be tried
must be some retarded italian close minded mentallity or some sort.
3-5-2 before, we had adequate width with more or less the same squad played in 4-3-3, now this supposedly improved squad seem to play worse and easily fucked om flanks
what the fuck is wrong with trying isla at RWF ahead litch/caceres to provide that width? he can't be worse than pepe, tevez-llorente-isla in the same way as vucinic-matri-pepe won't be hurt to be tried
must be some retarded italian close minded mentallity or some sort.
struggled against teams like celtic and everton 3-5-2
before, we had adequate width with more or less the same squad played in 4-3-3, now this supposedly improved squad seem to play worse and easily fucked om flanks
what the fuck is wrong with trying isla at RWF ahead litch/caceres to provide that width? he can't be worse than pepe, tevez-llorente-isla in the same way as vucinic-matri-pepe won't be hurt to be tried
must be some retarded italian close minded mentallity or some sort.
3-5-2 before, we had adequate width with more or less the same squad played in 4-3-3, now this supposedly improved squad seem to play worse and easily fucked om flanks
what the fuck is wrong with trying isla at RWF ahead litch/caceres to provide that width? he can't be worse than pepe, tevez-llorente-isla in the same way as vucinic-matri-pepe won't be hurt to be tried
must be some retarded italian close minded mentallity or some sort.
we are fucked by everton from the flanks 