Tactics and Formations (19 Viewers)
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‘Speciale Calciomercato’ were discussing Juve formations next season,they suggested 3 options:
3-5-2:
Buffon
Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini
Lichtsteiner-Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio(Pogba)-Asamoah
Tevez(Jovetic)-Llorente.
4-3-3:
Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Ogbonna(Bonucci)-Chiellini(Kolarov)
Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio(Pogba)
Tevez-Llorente-Vucinic(Jovetic)
4-2-3-1:
Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Ogbonna(Bonucci)-Chiellini(Kolarov)
Vidal-Pogba
Tevez-Marchisio-Vucinic(Jovetic)
Llorente
‘Speciale Calciomercato’ were discussing Juve formations next season,they suggested 3 options:
3-5-2:
Buffon
Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini
Lichtsteiner-Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio(Pogba)-Asamoah
Tevez(Jovetic)-Llorente.
4-3-3:
Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Ogbonna(Bonucci)-Chiellini(Kolarov)
Vidal-Pirlo-Marchisio(Pogba)
Tevez-Llorente-Vucinic(Jovetic)
4-2-3-1:
Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Ogbonna(Bonucci)-Chiellini(Kolarov)
Vidal-Pogba
Tevez-Marchisio-Vucinic(Jovetic)
Llorente
e will start with two days of testing at Vinovo to define the state of health of each individual and the loads. In the field of Chatillon there will be a lot of work to do aerobic work in abundance, repeated on different distances and the evaluation test of Mapei, the Mognoni to measure the quality of resistance, jump on the platform to check the power of the lower limbs and the test Hit to understand the endurance to high-intensity efforts. Do not underestimate the sessions in the gym where Julio Tous and Marco Luison torchieranno tutti.infine there will be so many sessions and field tactics. Many exercises, training matches set on the possession, movement of the 3-5-2 and 4-3-3. In Valle d'Aosta there will be almost all attackers, but will miss the defense, it's up to Conte identify the right solutions.
I think we'll choose between our primary 3-5-2 and our secondary modified 4-3-3 again.
Buffon
Storari
Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini
Caceres Ogbonna Ogbonna
Lichtsteiner Vidal Pirlo Marchisio Asamoah
Padoin Giaccherini Pogba Giaccherini Peluso
Llorente Tevez
Matri/Quag Gio/Vuc
Buffon
Storari
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Ogbonna
Padoin Caceres Bonucci Peluso
Vidal Pirlo Marchisio
Asamoah Pogba Asamoah
Pepe Llorente Tevez
Gio/Vuc Matri/Quag Giaccherini
Buffon
Storari
Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini
Caceres Ogbonna Ogbonna
Lichtsteiner Vidal Pirlo Marchisio Asamoah
Padoin Giaccherini Pogba Giaccherini Peluso
Llorente Tevez
Matri/Quag Gio/Vuc
Buffon
Storari
Lichtsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Ogbonna
Padoin Caceres Bonucci Peluso
Vidal Pirlo Marchisio
Asamoah Pogba Asamoah
Pepe Llorente Tevez
Gio/Vuc Matri/Quag Giaccherini
What makes anyone think we will run the 4-3-3? We go from two consecutive 7th place finishes...we are going after ogbonna a cb when we have 3 already and have not pursued any wingers abd you think we are going to switch? Why would we? Every system of play you try to reach optimum speed and efficiency to the system and when that is achieved people look elsewhere. Barcelona started the system of high pressure and possession and made it a staple. Bayern and dortmund made it more efficient and increased speed of play. My point here is I think the biggest thing we are working on is how to improve the way we play. Can we get forwards that can hold the ball up to get the team up in possession? check! Can we get proper backup for injured and rotated defensive players? working on it Can we get a wing back for the left that not only is a good possesor of the ball but is strong going forward and in defense? tbd
I dont understand the orgasm over the 4-3-3. Italians tacticaly are ahead of their time and the 4-3-3 is almost perfected which means I think next you look to get players higher up the field and able to pressure the middle efficiently. Thats what conte wants not a second class 4-3-3
I dont understand the orgasm over the 4-3-3. Italians tacticaly are ahead of their time and the 4-3-3 is almost perfected which means I think next you look to get players higher up the field and able to pressure the middle efficiently. Thats what conte wants not a second class 4-3-3
On formations, my view is that its a number. Teams that play the same formation, can play them extremely differently. Formations love to be talked about by armchair coaches like ourselves.
I like coaches that pick the formation based on the strengths of the key players. This is why I like Conte as a coach. He chose to play 3 accross the middle because of Pirlo (even though he had a natural affinity for the 424 or 442). He then chose to play a back 3 because he liked how Bonucci can bring the ball forward from defence and that he had Lichsteiner who can tear up and down the right flank. He abandoned the 433 once Pepe was not around.
So it all makes sense. If Conte had players like Robben and Ribery, then I have no doubt he would switch systems. The key is to acquire players who can make a difference first and foremost. The best players can always adapt slightly - and then pick the formation that works.
My biggest concern, tactically, is Pirlo. Pirlo has no direct replacement (not at Juve, not in Italy, and possibly in Europe) - he has very distinct characteristics. The Juve system is BUILT around him - more than any player.
So, rather than trying to replace Pirlo or work on a Pirlo understudy, Conte should be thinking of what a Pirloless system will look like. This throws up many possibilities INCLUDING (but not excluding the 352) a look at 4231 or 4321 or systems that make the most out of the characteristics offered by players like Pogba for instance.
I like coaches that pick the formation based on the strengths of the key players. This is why I like Conte as a coach. He chose to play 3 accross the middle because of Pirlo (even though he had a natural affinity for the 424 or 442). He then chose to play a back 3 because he liked how Bonucci can bring the ball forward from defence and that he had Lichsteiner who can tear up and down the right flank. He abandoned the 433 once Pepe was not around.
So it all makes sense. If Conte had players like Robben and Ribery, then I have no doubt he would switch systems. The key is to acquire players who can make a difference first and foremost. The best players can always adapt slightly - and then pick the formation that works.
My biggest concern, tactically, is Pirlo. Pirlo has no direct replacement (not at Juve, not in Italy, and possibly in Europe) - he has very distinct characteristics. The Juve system is BUILT around him - more than any player.
So, rather than trying to replace Pirlo or work on a Pirlo understudy, Conte should be thinking of what a Pirloless system will look like. This throws up many possibilities INCLUDING (but not excluding the 352) a look at 4231 or 4321 or systems that make the most out of the characteristics offered by players like Pogba for instance.
I agree with you which is why I think putting in a player like Pepe on the field only to push Asamoah and Bonucci to the bench is not something he is drooling over. My point is a coach uses the players he has and we have no wingers and we are not going after them. Is that not concerning to te 4-3-3 fanboys that we are only stocking players for "serie a 3-5-3 system" which we have swept through and not anything to upgrade the winger position we will "use" in the CL? Doesnt make sense at all
This talk of a 3-3-4 is complete shit. I just read they said it would he vucinic-tevez-llorente-asa. wtf is that shit. if this is true, not only is it dumb but it wont work. Why drop Licht and why play Asa in a more advanced position?
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This talk of a 3-3-4 is complete shit. I just read they said it would he vucinic-tevez-llorente-asa. wtf is that shit. if this is true, not only is it dumb but it wont work. Why drop Licht and why play Asa in a more advanced position?
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This talk of a 3-3-4 is complete shit. I just read they said it would he vucinic-tevez-llorente-asa. wtf is that shit. if this is true, not only is it dumb but it wont work. Why drop Licht and why play Asa in a more advanced position?
anything other than a back four and i will be disappointed. 3-5-2 gets raped by width and a lot of teams main strenghts are width. Think we seen the limitations of 3-5-2 against Bayern when we tried to play out from the back we didn't have many options to pass to getting ourselves in trouble. There wingers and wing backs just pushed up and put so much pressure on us.
The most technically gifted team was owned by them in the semis. Our biggest problem was not having an outlet to get the ball to when we won the ball. With matri and Quag we had no one to recieve and hold up play while we get out of the back. Now hopefully we solved that problem. To say that our formation who killed chelsea 3-0 and they thrive off width too. It wasnt width it was high pressure that got to us. Pirlo was pressed and we relied on bonucci to boot it to Matri who had to hold it up for to long
