Tactics and Formations (5 Viewers)
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Aside from the shape of the team, I'd like to know why Juve's midfielders aren't making the number of runs into the box they have in the last couple of seasons.
The emphasis seems to have shifted onto Tevez at trequartista and onto the wing backs.
Juve seem to be trying to score without their greatest attacking weapon of the last two years.
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And, again ignoring the shape, I'd still like to see Juve develop a plan to draw the opposition out and into a proper game.
Milan have tended to do it well under Allegri, whether it's by accident or design.
Even at home they frequently put absolutely no pressure on the ball until the opposition is well into their half.
This creates space behind the opposition defence and also gives the opposition the confidence to try and commit players beyond the ball and attack.
It means Milan actually get to counter-attack at times at home, even against shit teams, which is just not something you ever see from Juve.
It's a long-standing belief of mine, though, that aiming to utterly dominate possession and territory (as Juve usually do) can be counterproductive.
The emphasis seems to have shifted onto Tevez at trequartista and onto the wing backs.
Juve seem to be trying to score without their greatest attacking weapon of the last two years.
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And, again ignoring the shape, I'd still like to see Juve develop a plan to draw the opposition out and into a proper game.
Milan have tended to do it well under Allegri, whether it's by accident or design.
Even at home they frequently put absolutely no pressure on the ball until the opposition is well into their half.
This creates space behind the opposition defence and also gives the opposition the confidence to try and commit players beyond the ball and attack.
It means Milan actually get to counter-attack at times at home, even against shit teams, which is just not something you ever see from Juve.
It's a long-standing belief of mine, though, that aiming to utterly dominate possession and territory (as Juve usually do) can be counterproductive.
It's because Marchisio is out of form. Vidal was never that good at it imo, his best offensive plays come around the edge of the box. Marchisio must have been one of the best players in the world at making those runs but ever since he went quiet he stopped making them. His role might have been changed though, as shown by how many goals Vidal scored last season.
Marchisio's role did change last season.
And I don't get the idea that Vidal isn't good at making runs into the box.
I'm not even that I'm suggesting the run should be a serious effort to receive the ball.
There are situations where Tevez gets the ball in a typical central position about 30 yards out and no-one is moving except the wing backs.
The midfield runner doesn't have to be to get the ball - just run, because it might draw the attention of a defender or two and give Tevez the space to be more effective.
And I don't get the idea that Vidal isn't good at making runs into the box.
I'm not even that I'm suggesting the run should be a serious effort to receive the ball.
There are situations where Tevez gets the ball in a typical central position about 30 yards out and no-one is moving except the wing backs.
The midfield runner doesn't have to be to get the ball - just run, because it might draw the attention of a defender or two and give Tevez the space to be more effective.
I think we're still making runs, not as much as last year though. I think there's a few reasons. Teams are really taking the park the bus to a new level this year. They're trying for 0-0s.
I think Pirlo is getting man marked more often this year so our CMs are actually left with much more of the ball and when they have the ball they can't make runs. They're usually setting up on the corner of the box and playing the ball with our wingbacks while Pirlo is marked out. They still make some runs when Bonucci has possession I've noticed.
I also think we're trying to keep the box uncongested to a certain degree so we can play into Tevez's feet more often.
Or we could just be more conservative overall which I wouldn't disregard as a reason either.
I think Pirlo is getting man marked more often this year so our CMs are actually left with much more of the ball and when they have the ball they can't make runs. They're usually setting up on the corner of the box and playing the ball with our wingbacks while Pirlo is marked out. They still make some runs when Bonucci has possession I've noticed.
I also think we're trying to keep the box uncongested to a certain degree so we can play into Tevez's feet more often.
Or we could just be more conservative overall which I wouldn't disregard as a reason either.
The thing about our tactics and our game is that with pirlo and tevez people mark both. When they mark pirlo our cbs are forced to push forward and we lose one our cbs. And for tevez he drops so deep into thr midfield and i know thats part of his game but when he is dropping so deep we basically have only 1 forward near the penalty area and one of vidal,pogba or marchisio have to stay back and cover the area which the cbs have created when they push forward. So not only is pirlo mArked but we have only 1 forward near the penalty area and our cms cant even make the runs and instead have to track back. This is why a 4-3-3 would help us alot
the pepe, motivation and stamina argument is the dumbest excuse from a coach and fans ever.
One of the best performances from our team in years.
