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You do have to wonder why they thought they needed to leave an Erdogan led country in the first place if he was that great, or if they left a long time ago, why they don't go back.
We have a lot of these types in the Arab world, they sing their country's dictator's praises everywhere, they cry foul international and western conspiracies against their beloved leader, but most of the time they don't even live in their countries.
We have a lot of these types in the Arab world, they sing their country's dictator's praises everywhere, they cry foul international and western conspiracies against their beloved leader, but most of the time they don't even live in their countries.
I think having a "father of the nation" type figure is deeply rooted in Arabic culture/mentality. Not living under one sadly makes it easier to support the idea as the consequences of it don't apply to you.
It's actually been holding Arab countries back more than the religion itself imo. It runs in a complete contradiction to democracy, nothing in Islam at its core goes against democracy as far as I know, slight adjustment notwithstanding.
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It's actually been holding Arab countries back more than the religion itself imo. It runs in a complete contradiction to democracy, nothing in Islam at its core goes against democracy as far as I know, slight adjustment notwithstanding.
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absolutely correct
True.
I'm not in the least bit surprised, that is what happens in police states. In fact back in Geddaffi's era, despite the fact that I've lived all of my life abroad, I would never dare criticize Geddaffi in front of other Libyans abroad because of how widespread these informers to the state were. Even if I never intended to go back to Libya, they could even do things like refuse to renew my passport for example. That is unfortunately what Erdogan is now turning Turkey into.
As for your point about only people in rural areas voting for Erdogan, I think he used to be very popular in the big cities as well initially, back when he was actually good for the economy, and most people who voted for him, did so for reasons that had nothing to do with ideology.
No doubt; in fact most of the arab world's tradition and customs have so much more to do with culture than the religion. I could give you so many examples I can make a thread out of it. But for the most part culture always trumps religion in the Arab world, even if most people would never admit that.
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True.
I'm not in the least bit surprised, that is what happens in police states. In fact back in Geddaffi's era, despite the fact that I've lived all of my life abroad, I would never dare criticize Geddaffi in front of other Libyans abroad because of how widespread these informers to the state were. Even if I never intended to go back to Libya, they could even do things like refuse to renew my passport for example. That is unfortunately what Erdogan is now turning Turkey into.
As for your point about only people in rural areas voting for Erdogan, I think he used to be very popular in the big cities as well initially, back when he was actually good for the economy, and most people who voted for him, did so for reasons that had nothing to do with ideology.
No doubt; in fact most of the arab world's tradition and customs have so much more to do with culture than the religion. I could give you so many examples I can make a thread out of it. But for the most part culture always trumps religion in the Arab world, even if most people would never admit that.
I'm not in the least bit surprised, that is what happens in police states. In fact back in Geddaffi's era, despite the fact that I've lived all of my life abroad, I would never dare criticize Geddaffi in front of other Libyans abroad because of how widespread these informers to the state were. Even if I never intended to go back to Libya, they could even do things like refuse to renew my passport for example. That is unfortunately what Erdogan is now turning Turkey into.
As for your point about only people in rural areas voting for Erdogan, I think he used to be very popular in the big cities as well initially, back when he was actually good for the economy, and most people who voted for him, did so for reasons that had nothing to do with ideology.
No doubt; in fact most of the arab world's tradition and customs have so much more to do with culture than the religion. I could give you so many examples I can make a thread out of it. But for the most part culture always trumps religion in the Arab world, even if most people would never admit that.
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True.
I'm not in the least bit surprised, that is what happens in police states. In fact back in Geddaffi's era, despite the fact that I've lived all of my life abroad, I would never dare criticize Geddaffi in front of other Libyans abroad because of how widespread these informers to the state were. Even if I never intended to go back to Libya, they could even do things like refuse to renew my passport for example. That is unfortunately what Erdogan is now turning Turkey into.
As for your point about only people in rural areas voting for Erdogan, I think he used to be very popular in the big cities as well initially, back when he was actually good for the economy, and most people who voted for him, did so for reasons that had nothing to do with ideology.
No doubt; in fact most of the arab world's tradition and customs have so much more to do with culture than the religion. I could give you so many examples I can make a thread out of it. But for the most part culture always trumps religion in the Arab world, even if most people would never admit that.
