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Thank you. He's fine. His plane left a few hours before all this and he didn't know anything until landed. He said flight crew started acting weird in the middle of the flight but he didn't know why
Now I have another friend stuck in the airport, but flights are due to resume soon
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That kinds of makes perfect sense and could be very well the essence of it all! It would also explain the desperate character of the act! The Gulenist scheming and influence within the army was always there and Erdogan always had it as a priority to root them out. Of they were discovered, they would risk it all before they lose that power!
One key move from Erdogan decided it. He appeared on tv and called people to fill streets. If they were afraid of doing so, outcome would have been much different. You can't read this in a official statement but i know for a fact, there were a lot of generals and admirals waiting and evaluating their options during the events. There is another thing, junta's sikorsky tried to bomb biggest telecommunication center in order to put an end to tv and leave people in dark but failed to so as shot down by an f-16.
why are you posting pkk bs? they are in conflict with this nation for like 40 years and least credible source you could ever find. they don't even care about kurds as most of them are voting for erdogan and if this coup was a success, kurds would have been obliterated. that would have been the scenario pkk prefer as they have gained most of their supporters thanks to atrocities of 1980 junta.
Not really accurate though. Erdogan won last election with 52% of the votes, hardly a grand majority considering the next party had 39% and 9% goes to the Kurds.
Also worth mentioning that he lost the voting at almost every major city or province where the pepole are, I assume, slightly more knowledgeable. he wins every elections with the votes of the "common folk".
Just like our PM
, sometimes I hate democracy
Also worth mentioning that he lost the voting at almost every major city or province where the pepole are, I assume, slightly more knowledgeable. he wins every elections with the votes of the "common folk".
Just like our PM
, sometimes I hate democracy
Not really accurate though. Erdogan won last election with 52% of the votes, hardly a grand majority considering the next party had 39% and 9% goes to the Kurds.
Also worth mentioning that he lost the voting at almost every major city or province where the pepole are, I assume, slightly more knowledgeable. he wins every elections with the votes of the "common folk".
Just like our PM, sometimes I hate democracy
Also worth mentioning that he lost the voting at almost every major city or province where the pepole are, I assume, slightly more knowledgeable. he wins every elections with the votes of the "common folk".
Just like our PM
, sometimes I hate democracy
Second candidate(not the second party if you're talking about presidential election) got %39 but he was supported by several parties including second and third most voted parties. Second candidate also had some Islamic background so they hoped to steal some of the Muslim votes.
This is the latest election map, where his party won in every single major city except Izmir, even in there they got %31 while opposing party got %45.
1 October 2015 - eastern provinces are least educated and red ones in the west are not exactly known for their super educated but un-islamic life style.
How? I hate Erdogan, and I'm suspicious of whether the coup was a real attempt or just an excuse for him to get rid of the opposition, but Turkish people stood for a democratically elected government although they might have hated it. What happened last night was SO not middle-eastern, and was an indicator of civilian maturity and understanding of democracy, if they care for it (whether the whole thing was a show is not relevant here because Turkish people knew about it as much as we do). Maybe anti-Morsi Egyptians should have done the same thing too.
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Sure, because coups are in line with such liberties.
And any election in the world can be questioned with as much evidence as you provide in your last sentence.
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Sure, because coups are in line with such liberties.
And any election in the world can be questioned with as much evidence as you provide in your last sentence.
No, it is not. In last election, opposition tried hard to make it look like there is a vote stealing going on. So they created a group called ''oy ve ötesi'' which allows everybody who join to witness the whole voting and counting process. In a nation with population of 80 million, counting the votes took like 2 hours, they were there along with party representitives guarding ballot boxes and counting the votes, in the end they had to admit that election was fair. Results announced by them and announced by election board matched. Even the sore losers know it now that the minority dictatorship in Türkiye is long gone and it won't be an Egypt or Syria as we saw yesterday.
There are other ways elections can be unfair. For example, there is no free press in Turkey.
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Check one of my earlier posts where I explain why this idea is retarded.
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It depends on the circumstances. In most cases they are not, but there are exceptions. In this case, we don't know much about the organisers to sa with certainty. Gulen is no better than Erdogan, but I doubt he was involved. What we know for certain is that Erdogan is not a democrat, he is a fundamentalist.
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Check one of my earlier posts where I explain why this idea is retarded.
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It depends on the circumstances. In most cases they are not, but there are exceptions. In this case, we don't know much about the organisers to sa with certainty. Gulen is no better than Erdogan, but I doubt he was involved. What we know for certain is that Erdogan is not a democrat, he is a fundamentalist.