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Numbers are relevant, whether you like it or not.
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Turkish government networks were hacked by Anonymous Turkey on Wednesday, compromising the private information of staffers in Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's office, Reuters reported. The attack was in support of the ongoing anti-government protests.
We'll see what the real story is now.
-it dont think we have more immigrants than most others
- they are not the ones "rioting". demonstrating is a political right executed by normal people from students to older people who are unhappy with politics
- I am proud of our social security net and its not unsubstainable. I like haveing a health inscurance if I work and I automatically pay insurance for a time when I might be unemployed.
- most people want to work
-I prefer the euro over some weak currencies, so it can compete with the dollar. It just needs to be more flexibel
-people voted for the political parties from which those officials are chosen. I would prefer a direct voting but its not undemocratic
-in austria we have almost the fewest unemployed and we are led by social democrats
-"liberals" now you cant hide your american right wing side. we are more liberal and lefthist than the USA who just has no left and that is a good thing for europe
-"socialists" This has become a fighting term for right wing americans who have no clue about socialism, but want to express their displeasure about healthcare and social security insurances. face it, we are capitalists. and we have social democratic political parties
It may be a shithole to you but I would want to live here and no way I am going to america, where I can get fired every day and then die of flue on the streets the next week. And thats not the worst part about america
- they are not the ones "rioting". demonstrating is a political right executed by normal people from students to older people who are unhappy with politics
- I am proud of our social security net and its not unsubstainable. I like haveing a health inscurance if I work and I automatically pay insurance for a time when I might be unemployed.
- most people want to work
-I prefer the euro over some weak currencies, so it can compete with the dollar. It just needs to be more flexibel
-people voted for the political parties from which those officials are chosen. I would prefer a direct voting but its not undemocratic
-in austria we have almost the fewest unemployed and we are led by social democrats
-"liberals" now you cant hide your american right wing side. we are more liberal and lefthist than the USA who just has no left and that is a good thing for europe
-"socialists" This has become a fighting term for right wing americans who have no clue about socialism, but want to express their displeasure about healthcare and social security insurances. face it, we are capitalists. and we have social democratic political parties
It may be a shithole to you but I would want to live here and no way I am going to america, where I can get fired every day and then die of flue on the streets the next week. And thats not the worst part about america
Swag miscomprehends it. I understand the intention, not to undersell the value of human life by reducing it to Crime X > Crime Y simply because the numbers are larger, but there is a reason we operate with numbers and the terminology that we do, the use of semantics gives us the tools to describe happenings accurately, and numbers are integral for that purpose.
Austria is wealthy since the days of the Hasburg monarchy. They aren't rich because of their immigriants 
. Anyway keep it up with your socialist policy, let's see how long you last. The wealth you accumulated through the centuries isn't infinite.
. Anyway keep it up with your socialist policy, let's see how long you last. The wealth you accumulated through the centuries isn't infinite.
austria had to start from nothing 1945 with some help by the allies helping us rebuilding
and I didnt say that we are rich because of immigrants, I said that they built or homes and streets in the last 40 years
I like how you tried to wiggle around that. "the nazi's took our gold when we joined them", golden
the italian facists hated it funnily because they wanted a country in between them and their allie hitler.
and i guess the english and americans where still happy that hitler took care of the anarchist and communist movements in europe.
thats what I learned anyway, could be all bullcrap.
As for the habsburg monarchy; edoardo you realize that they also controlled czechs, croatians, hungarians, part of jugoslavia and rumania, etc etc
communism=socialism=social democracy(which is not capitalism)
you exchange those ideologies as you see fit and need it. a country failed? social democracy. a country got rich? pure capitalism. a social democratic country becomes rich? they somehow had all the gold in the world.(and are not sweden))
to make matters worse you dont seem to know what all those political ideologies mean or know much about the countries.
all you do seem to know are easy catch phrases that you mix in your head until they seem to fit.
face it social democracy made europe rich and the US used it to in their mightiest phase to confront communism
I am already sick of talkeing with you and I hope you educate yourself on the meaning of the catch phrases you use and their history.
here, start with this short essay:
http://www8.georgetown.edu/centers/cdacs/bermanpaper.pdf
"markets made great servants, they also made terrible masters"
you exchange those ideologies as you see fit and need it. a country failed? social democracy. a country got rich? pure capitalism. a social democratic country becomes rich? they somehow had all the gold in the world.(and are not sweden))
to make matters worse you dont seem to know what all those political ideologies mean or know much about the countries.
all you do seem to know are easy catch phrases that you mix in your head until they seem to fit.
face it social democracy made europe rich and the US used it to in their mightiest phase to confront communism
I am already sick of talkeing with you and I hope you educate yourself on the meaning of the catch phrases you use and their history.
here, start with this short essay:
http://www8.georgetown.edu/centers/cdacs/bermanpaper.pdf
"markets made great servants, they also made terrible masters"
Social democracy didn't make Europe rich after the war, don't make me laugh. The USA did it with it's marshall plan:
"The years 1948 to 1952 saw the fastest period of growth in European history. Industrial production increased by 35%. Agricultural production substantially surpassed pre-war levels. The poverty and starvation of the immediate postwar years disappeared, and Western Europe embarked upon an unprecedented two decades of growth that saw standards of living increase dramatically."
And by no way was the western europe socialist back then. The ideals of social democracy then started to appear because of the leftist intellectuals that didn't know better. No social democracy certainly didn't make Europe rich, as is shown by the way we trail behind USA. It's just holding us back and now is even sinking us. And Sweden is some sort of ideal? Don't make me laugh, a ticking time bomb. Face it socialism is just a heavy stone some countries wear around their necks because of some sort of misplaced ideals. Communism (that never existed buddy),Socialism (Eastern block) and social democracy (EU) are just different size weights. Socialism is stealing by definition there is no righteousness in stealing. I am for heavy tax exemptions for charity so people would be willing to give money to the poor of their own free will but not for stealing.
Some form of social democracy is sustainable in the short and medium term in countries with very strong foundations. But sooner or later all fail, weaker first (Greece) then the strong (Austria) if they won't change.
"The years 1948 to 1952 saw the fastest period of growth in European history. Industrial production increased by 35%. Agricultural production substantially surpassed pre-war levels. The poverty and starvation of the immediate postwar years disappeared, and Western Europe embarked upon an unprecedented two decades of growth that saw standards of living increase dramatically."
And by no way was the western europe socialist back then. The ideals of social democracy then started to appear because of the leftist intellectuals that didn't know better. No social democracy certainly didn't make Europe rich, as is shown by the way we trail behind USA. It's just holding us back and now is even sinking us. And Sweden is some sort of ideal? Don't make me laugh, a ticking time bomb. Face it socialism is just a heavy stone some countries wear around their necks because of some sort of misplaced ideals. Communism (that never existed buddy),Socialism (Eastern block) and social democracy (EU) are just different size weights. Socialism is stealing by definition there is no righteousness in stealing. I am for heavy tax exemptions for charity so people would be willing to give money to the poor of their own free will but not for stealing.
Some form of social democracy is sustainable in the short and medium term in countries with very strong foundations. But sooner or later all fail, weaker first (Greece) then the strong (Austria) if they won't change.