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It's actually Turkey who disrespect other democratic countries values when they send their government figureheads abroad to fish votes for a process to become even less democratic.
I'm pretty sure there are enough narrow, short sighted people in turkey as it is for the referendum to pass, it's all just a childish attempt at publicity from Erdogan at the expense of other countries values.
Half a million Turks who migrated abroad to enjoy the quality of life in a democratic society in the Netherlands are to vote for less democracy for the people who stayed behind, it's all comically and outrageously cynical.
I'm pretty sure there are enough narrow, short sighted people in turkey as it is for the referendum to pass, it's all just a childish attempt at publicity from Erdogan at the expense of other countries values.
Half a million Turks who migrated abroad to enjoy the quality of life in a democratic society in the Netherlands are to vote for less democracy for the people who stayed behind, it's all comically and outrageously cynical.
I'll put a quick summary of what went down here, and explain how Turk_Bianconero is the personification of all bad stereotypes to modern turkey.
Erdogan is a powerhungry dictator, who wants more power. So we know he's allready imprisoning or excommunicating teachers, docents, professors, reporters, politicians and everyone with a different opinion, cause they are traitors of the state and Gülen symphatysers. Ye, Gülen, that decrepit old fool who can barely walk. He's Docter evil.
More like Dr Perfect Scapegoat.
So for even more power, Erdogan wants to remove the parliament and change it to a presidential systhem, which grants him significantly more power, and less involvement of what the turkish people want or dont want.
He wants to end democracy, and start an actual dictatorship.
To do that, he needs to put a referendum on 18 amandments of the turkish constitution. However, Turkish people arent stupid enough to just go along with it. Its looking far from certain the referendum will be positive.
So what does he do ? Send out the ministers and high AK-party representatives to set up huge politican rallies in other countries where a significant amount of emigrated Turks reside.
..without asking permission offcourse. As a true ottoman aspirant, he doesnt give a crap about something as silly as a nation's border.
Naturally, other countrys arent having it, when huge foreign politican rallys take place on their soil, disturbing their peace, requireing a huge investment of people and money to safeguard the peace (we all know how violent this stuff gets).
- Various german city's forbid the entry of AK-party officials : Erdogan calls them Nazi's
- City of rotterdamn doesnt want it. Logical, as the dutch elections are close, and if the turks act like turks, the extremist rightwing party of Wilders is gonna have the best campaign ever to draw 3 times their votes.
- AK-party representatives call for turks to show up en massa in front of the rotterdam consulate for the rally. (Isnt that nice ? directing what happens within the borders of a different country ?)
- Naturally, city of rotterdam just plain forbids the rally to take place as they cant safeguard the peace.
- Erdogan calls them nazi's
Think it was over ? Think the Turks respect what another country rules within their own border ?
Roflmao, this is Turkey
They send the minister over anyway. Complete and utter disrespect for what holland decided on what would happen in their own border
So Holland showed 500x the balls that my country would. They deported the ministers ass straight out of Holland.
Fantastic by holland to stand firm against this grotesque disrespect by the turkish AK-party.
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Imagine what would happen if any nation decides that Kurds deserve their independance, and instruct them to make a referendum to become independant
Just imagine how they would react
What the fuck is Turkey doing??
Good that Minisiter-president Mark Rutte and Rotterdam mayor Aboutaleb (his parents are turkish) refused to let her in. 500 of Turkish-Dutch people were demonstrating, it's only making more hate between two groups and makes the gap of intergration bigger.
Never expected that our country took this action. Really really nasty play from Turkey. They had more collones of cars in the hope the Netherlands would follow the wrong one. They even have the following rule: "Election propaganda is not allowed from abroad"
Page 3654, sentence 7 : http://www.mevzuat.gov.tr/MevzuatMetin/1.4.298.pdf
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Oh and Erdogan saying we are nazi's and fasicsts? He is a goatfucker and hugely disrespect other countries and even his own folk. Transgress all rules and is govern like a dictator.
Turkish are one of the most appreciated immigrants in our country. Hard working people and most of them want to intergrate expect the rotten apples who every group has. We had a good relationship and know the whole relationship is faded, this is a present for Geert Wilders. The new elections are wednesday and I expect people will switch now to Geert Wilders instead of there old ideas.
Good that Minisiter-president Mark Rutte and Rotterdam mayor Aboutaleb (his parents are turkish) refused to let her in. 500 of Turkish-Dutch people were demonstrating, it's only making more hate between two groups and makes the gap of intergration bigger.
Never expected that our country took this action. Really really nasty play from Turkey. They had more collones of cars in the hope the Netherlands would follow the wrong one. They even have the following rule: "Election propaganda is not allowed from abroad"
Page 3654, sentence 7 : http://www.mevzuat.gov.tr/MevzuatMetin/1.4.298.pdf
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Oh and Erdogan saying we are nazi's and fasicsts? He is a goatfucker and hugely disrespect other countries and even his own folk. Transgress all rules and is govern like a dictator.
Turkish are one of the most appreciated immigrants in our country. Hard working people and most of them want to intergrate expect the rotten apples who every group has. We had a good relationship and know the whole relationship is faded, this is a present for Geert Wilders. The new elections are wednesday and I expect people will switch now to Geert Wilders instead of there old ideas.
European governments often called two faced. In reality, they have as many faces as their fathers. Not that we didn't already know that but if there was very a few in doubt, they learned it now.
We didn't forget what they did to Bosnians in 95, we won't forget their support to pkk, and be sure of that there will be the day of payback.
We didn't forget what they did to Bosnians in 95, we won't forget their support to pkk, and be sure of that there will be the day of payback.
How does that have anything to do with the insane disrespect Erdogan shows, or how hypocritical you are ?
When it comes to PKK, we have to shut up cause 'they are traitors' and "you wouldnt allow someone who lives under your roof to suddenly claim ownership over his room"
However, in our own border we have to allow turkish politicians to give massive poltical rallies of which we hold the responsibility if damage is made or people are hurt, and turkey has none
Hypocritical.
pkk caused way more damage than daesh for almost 40 years and they are not only freely roaming in Europe but also supported by their governments. They are kidnapping kids from their families, threatening them to kill their families if they refuse to come and send them to Iraq/Syria to fight, they are collecting tributes from the Kurds living in Europe. These countries are nations that export terrorism and that boomerang they love to throw will eventually hit them in the face no matter what.
They are also allowed to spread propaganda and hold massive rallies on streets, so it is not security thing as you bullshit.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702111050581854-kurdistan-pkk-france-protest/
They also allow people from opposition parties to spread propaganda as we speak now. Main opposition party cancelled their rallies in Europe themselves(not refused by the governments), otherwise it would have been too obvious that they are on the same side.
Not allowing a minister to visit their country is against freedom of travel, and not allowing a minister to visit their embassy, which is considered that nation's ground, is against international treaties. If you allow a terrorist organization which spilled blood for 40 years to hold rallies and don't allow my elected government to do that, that means you are my enemy, it is simple as that.
Even most naive of the people are now able to see that true purpose of these governments is sabotaging the referendum results. Today a Swiss newspaper threatened Turks living Switzerland to deport them if they say yes to presidency. I dare them to try that as these people have citizenship, let's see how they are gonna do that and what reaction they will face afterwards.
It's a blessing in disguise as they helped some people to make their decision about coming referendum, we should all be thankful to likes of John Carpenter's The Thing aka Wilders and all of those children of red light district.
They are also allowed to spread propaganda and hold massive rallies on streets, so it is not security thing as you bullshit.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702111050581854-kurdistan-pkk-france-protest/
They also allow people from opposition parties to spread propaganda as we speak now. Main opposition party cancelled their rallies in Europe themselves(not refused by the governments), otherwise it would have been too obvious that they are on the same side.
Not allowing a minister to visit their country is against freedom of travel, and not allowing a minister to visit their embassy, which is considered that nation's ground, is against international treaties. If you allow a terrorist organization which spilled blood for 40 years to hold rallies and don't allow my elected government to do that, that means you are my enemy, it is simple as that.
Even most naive of the people are now able to see that true purpose of these governments is sabotaging the referendum results. Today a Swiss newspaper threatened Turks living Switzerland to deport them if they say yes to presidency. I dare them to try that as these people have citizenship, let's see how they are gonna do that and what reaction they will face afterwards.
It's a blessing in disguise as they helped some people to make their decision about coming referendum, we should all be thankful to likes of John Carpenter's The Thing aka Wilders and all of those children of red light district.