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GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
69,402
I'm with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the First Amendment, that the limit of Freedom of Speech is when someone calls for violence or illegal actions.

Insulting someone is not the same thing and should be allowed.

and those limitations are put in place for the benefit of the individual and the society as a whole, that determination is cultural and attempts to have it universally uniform is naive and condescending.

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Albania,
Belgium - along with every other party (I dislike the EU and don't think we should even count Belgium as a country)
Denmark - in coalition
France
Greece - coalition
Norway - coalition
Serbia - coalition

There are 2 countries in Europe in which the executive in solely a named 'socialist' party. The political economy of coalition politics is a matter for another day.


Of course conflating Social Democracy and Centrally Planned Economy makes no sense.



And as always, the US Government is the biggest 'socialist' employer on earth wasting money for the DOD, employing millions and spending millions...

so in short, you were wrong
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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How so? The reference was to there being so many socialist parties in Europe implying a larger than normal proportion of socialist parties, which is false, as practically every state has a socialist party.

Having established that socialism and social democracy are not the same thing and that only 2 European countries to my knowledge have full socialist government then it is also not true that there is a preponderance of socialist governments.
 
Jul 1, 2010
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and those limitations are put in place for the benefit of the individual and the society as a whole, that determination is cultural and attempts to have it universally uniform is naive and condescending.
There's nothing condescending in saying that Muslims across the Middle East would be better off with freedom of expression.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
69,402
There's nothing condescending in saying that Muslims across the Middle East would be better off with freedom of expression.
it's condescending to say that your measure of limitation should be adopted everywhere else, just like we got a right to determine our limitations so should they.

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How so? The reference was to there being so many socialist parties in Europe implying a larger than normal proportion of socialist parties, which is false, as practically every state has a socialist party.

Having established that socialism and social democracy are not the same thing and that only 2 European countries to my knowledge have full socialist government then it is also not true that there is a preponderance of socialist governments.

no you said there is not one, yet you provided 2. The real point here is are you really trying to argue the extent of preponderance of socialist dogma in europe compared to US? dont you think that's a really silly comparison?
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
I'm with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the First Amendment, that the limit of Freedom of Speech is when someone calls for violence or illegal actions.

Insulting someone is not the same thing and should be allowed.
Believing that your (western) idea of freedom of speech and its limitations should be universal is foolish and does not account for cultural and contextual differences.

In Business there is an ongoing debate between best practices VS best fit. Most business practitioners and academics have already resigned to the idea that best practices(that are mostly tried and tested in the west) do not always work in a different context. Its about time political science does the same. The western ideals of democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of expression etc are all desirable ideals everywhere, but how they are understood and implemented are inevitably going to be different.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
83,482
Believing that your (western) idea of freedom of speech and its limitations should be universal is foolish and does not account for cultural and contextual differences.

In Business there is an ongoing debate between best practices VS best fit. Most business practitioners and academics have already resigned to the idea that best practices(that are mostly tried and tested in the west) do not always work in a different context. Its about time political science does the same. The western ideals of democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of expression etc are all desirable ideals everywhere, but how they are understood and implemented are inevitably going to be different.
I'm all over that like when Vaclav Havel said that America tries to export democracy like it's McDonald's.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Before people here kill me, I just wrote the last part of my post, after I saw Fred's post :D

Edit: and you're right Fred, cos a lot of countries still live with outdated ideas and principles.
 

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