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Aren't Alawites an off-set of the Shia sect which is part of Islam ?
Aren't Alawites an off-set of the Shia sect which is part of Islam ?
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Well, by name they are a part of Shia, but the main pillars of Islam are not adopted by them.
I don't mean to look so religious, but I had to say this because some people think that Muslims are allying with Obama against their Muslim brothers, which is definitely not the case. Even if Al-Assad is Sunni, he made many horrible crimes that need to set him accountable...
I don't mean to look so religious, but I had to say this because some people think that Muslims are allying with Obama against their Muslim brothers, which is definitely not the case. Even if Al-Assad is Sunni, he made many horrible crimes that need to set him accountable...
Oh yeah, we're on the same side, don't get me wrong. I'm all for revolutions against brutal dictators and all but what I am not up for, is when a revolution gets hijacked and foreigners come into the play. They have neither the right nor the business to be there, and when the war is over and let's say the Assad regime had been toppled and removed, who's to say they won't be there ? Am I really naive to think that Al-Queda are going to just pack up and leave to fight somewhere else in the world ? They seem to be doing a great job in Afghanistan so far. There's no doubt that both sides are committing war crimes left and right, but if I were to trade one dictator for a militant group known also for their atrocities and radicalism to be in power, then I would choose the former, at least for now. Until the revolution becomes for Syria and only Syria's, then I would contemplate differently.
This.
If only it were an ideal world, this is what should be happening. But unfortunately, it's not, it's the civilians who are out there in the cross-fire paying the price.
This.
If only it were an ideal world, this is what should be happening. But unfortunately, it's not, it's the civilians who are out there in the cross-fire paying the price.
If Al-Assad is defeated, Syrian people will do whatever they want. Bosnian people for example chose to chase the foreign fighters out when the war ended. I expect the same in Syria.
By the way, I did not hear yet of any wrongdoing by foreign fighters there. Even the wrongdoings which were committed by opposition forces were made by SYRIAN fighters. For example, yesterday, a group of AlQaeda fighters in north Syria captured one of the fighters of Free Syrian Army and killed him. The eyewitnesses say that some Syrian fighters at that AlQaeda cell killed the guy while the Chechen fighters in the same cell were crying...
By the way, I did not hear yet of any wrongdoing by foreign fighters there. Even the wrongdoings which were committed by opposition forces were made by SYRIAN fighters. For example, yesterday, a group of AlQaeda fighters in north Syria captured one of the fighters of Free Syrian Army and killed him. The eyewitnesses say that some Syrian fighters at that AlQaeda cell killed the guy while the Chechen fighters in the same cell were crying...
People here should differentiate between Islamist and the ones who split from the regime army to join Free Army.
Free Army soldiers are different from the Islamist. The clashes between the Free Army soldiers and the Islamist is even more bloody than the Islamist vs Regime Army. It's important you know that.
Free Army soldiers are different from the Islamist. The clashes between the Free Army soldiers and the Islamist is even more bloody than the Islamist vs Regime Army. It's important you know that.
Let's hope so.
They captured a Christian town 2-3 days ago and tried to forcibly convert anyone that wasn't a Sunni to become one and killed a few. Is it true or is it fake ? Who knows. I'm sure you remember the heart-eating incident, I believe that was available for everyone to see. They also killed some Alawites the other day in one of the towns. The validity of these news reports are one thing to mention but there is no doubt that both sides are committing atrocities.
Oh yea, most definitely. Don't forget the Kurds are also in some of these battles as well.
They captured a Christian town 2-3 days ago and tried to forcibly convert anyone that wasn't a Sunni to become one and killed a few. Is it true or is it fake ? Who knows. I'm sure you remember the heart-eating incident, I believe that was available for everyone to see. They also killed some Alawites the other day in one of the towns. The validity of these news reports are one thing to mention but there is no doubt that both sides are committing atrocities.
Oh yea, most definitely. Don't forget the Kurds are also in some of these battles as well.
Of course, the fighters are not angels. They make wrongdoings too but they are not made in a systematic way like the way the regime is doing. About Maaloula, the Christian town, this is the first time I hear of this converting thing. It is even forbidden in Islam to convert anybody by force in a very clear verse in Quran. It translates as: "There is no forcing in religion". So, I doubt the fighters do something like that knowing it is against Islam clearly. Vatican and Russia enjoyed Maaloula capturing though as they wanted to imply that fighters are there to spread Islam instead of asking for freedom. Too bad for the fighters that this town is on the road from Damascus to the Syrian coast which means the only road that can supply Damascus with fighters and weapons, so it should be captured from a strategic perspective to stop the supply chain to thugs in Damascus.
That's the problem since the beginning. If you don't follow, why are you making bs comments like this?
There are no more/less, part/full time, occasional Muslims. You're either a Muslim or not. If you can't beat your prejudice, find a Muslim or non-Muslim theologian or political scientist, ask him how can one become a Muslim and how can one become a non-Muslim when he rejects even a letter in it.
Siyasî Düşünce Tarihi (The History of Political Thought, 1973). Author of this book, Murat Sarıca was a leftist, if you want to read about Islam and politics from someone else other than an extremist bigot like me, i offer you this book. Not sure if you can find it in English. Maybe you can find someone to translate that part for you. It would explain things well for you with a few pages.
There will be elections like everywhere else in the world. Probably you will not be satisfied with the results like you didn't in Algeria, Palestine and Egypt before.
You're against brutal dictators yet you didn't say a single word about Sisi who killed 2000 in two months. If it was a Muslim General toppled a secularist president elected by people and killed hundreds of protesters, you would have gone berserk. Don't tell me how we're on same side.
There are no more/less, part/full time, occasional Muslims. You're either a Muslim or not. If you can't beat your prejudice, find a Muslim or non-Muslim theologian or political scientist, ask him how can one become a Muslim and how can one become a non-Muslim when he rejects even a letter in it.
Siyasî Düşünce Tarihi (The History of Political Thought, 1973). Author of this book, Murat Sarıca was a leftist, if you want to read about Islam and politics from someone else other than an extremist bigot like me, i offer you this book. Not sure if you can find it in English. Maybe you can find someone to translate that part for you. It would explain things well for you with a few pages.
There will be elections like everywhere else in the world. Probably you will not be satisfied with the results like you didn't in Algeria, Palestine and Egypt before.
You're against brutal dictators yet you didn't say a single word about Sisi who killed 2000 in two months. If it was a Muslim General toppled a secularist president elected by people and killed hundreds of protesters, you would have gone berserk. Don't tell me how we're on same side.
The best thing sisi did..... They wanted to die ( did you know that mb members have nine lives? One of them died in the republic guard, then the same person died in rab3aa mosque, then the very same guy died in Suez I mean wow they are good actors for Holly wood just like your retard who cried because he didn't get his dose of four fingers. what can we do beg them to leave??? Get over it Turk and sisi must show up in your dreams a lot because there doesn't go a day with out you mentioning him... I know sisi hurts
@ReBeL you might be right, however it's no secret the untied States at some point thought it would be ideal for there interests that this region be rules by religion, specially when the groups wearing the cloak of religion play to the interest of the US. Take the salafists for instance, they are Saudi financed, they preach the same ultra conservative wahabi version of what they call Islam ( I won't comment on this we both know the truth about this) these salafists in Egypt and Syria play to the benefit of the Saudi's and the usa, what the ignorant Turk doesn't want to understand is that they don't represent the people but represent what there financiers want!!. We come to turkey, I'm willing to admit I'm reserved on calling what is happening in Syria as a revolution if you are willing to admit you have a favorable opinion on erdogan based solely on his stance from the Palestinian case. Erdogan my dear bro is nothing but the model that the us wants to follow in every country in the middle East. Yes erdogan has put turkey in a good position I can't argue but turkey wants a major role to play in the middle East, and when the shit hits the fan turkey would not side with the Arabs like you imagine. Erdogan was popular in Egypt, now people despise him and I can't even begin about the feelings of hostility toward turkey in Cairo now.... Any way back to Syria, I repeat again for the hundredth time, Assad is not an ideal ruler, but I'm willing to bet my life, he is better than the islamists who landed on this region with parachutes!!! Don't try to convince me abed the free Syrian army that has many mercenaries from Chechen and other countries are fighting for democracy, and sure as hell they don't represent the Syrians!! How can we say a bunch of foreigners who think this is jihad understand the wants and needs of the Syrian people. Also I refuse this because you know how Syria will end when thus is finished? It's going to be divided up in to parts and regions, where each region hates the one next to it. The same crap the mb wanted in Egypt and specially in Sinai.
It's not a matter of debate anymore; this war had stopped being about freedom a very long time ago. This is a religious struggle to survive. It's all too clear that fundamentalists on both sides are fighting w proxy war in Syria. The only reason the fighting has lasted this long is because of that reason precisely. If this was about Syrians wanting to fight for or against bashar, it would have all ended a long time ago.
The danger now is that there are too many groups in this conflict. There can't be a resolution because it's not a war between two leaders. The opposition consists mainly now, in terms of force, of people who have no democratic ideological interests in the country, people who's sole purpose is to increase the non sunni death toll as much as possible.
This war will not end any time soon, but when it does, religious wars of the same kind will likely emerge in other proxy countries in the region. Sooner or later.
The danger now is that there are too many groups in this conflict. There can't be a resolution because it's not a war between two leaders. The opposition consists mainly now, in terms of force, of people who have no democratic ideological interests in the country, people who's sole purpose is to increase the non sunni death toll as much as possible.
This war will not end any time soon, but when it does, religious wars of the same kind will likely emerge in other proxy countries in the region. Sooner or later.
First, I'm not neutral at all nor am I trying to sound like I am. However, I have no love for either party I assure you. I think bashar and his father were murderous dictators who have oppressed their people for decades. I was very happy at the start of the revolution. But unfortunately, radical Islamist parties, who are a far worse evil than bashar, have assumed military power of the opposition.
The original operation has been hijacked, and now if I had to pick between two evils that I hate, I would pick Bashar without a doubt. And anyone who understands the ramifications that will come about in the region if the Islamists take power will agree with me.
The original operation has been hijacked, and now if I had to pick between two evils that I hate, I would pick Bashar without a doubt. And anyone who understands the ramifications that will come about in the region if the Islamists take power will agree with me.