Syrian civil war (22 Viewers)

[DelpieroForLife]

Today Bashar in his speech said that there is 64,400 free criminals in the streets out of the government control to justify using extra force against the people.

Please, what kind of excuses is that? what kind of government lose control of more than 50,000 criminals and then complain about it and give it as an excuse to use power against protesters?

 

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[DelpieroForLife]

I am not saying you are wrong, did I? I said I have concerns, I am not easily convinced like you that there is no risk in coming those extremists in power. I have worries. Maybe I am worried for nothing, but I or you would never know.. Do you forget that the word "ikhwan" was banned all these time? They were not everywhere (3alanan), so I will not be surprised if they pop up now at this golden moment..

I'm not denying their existence nor their power or having supporters, but this is not the real question...

Are they a majority? NO.

Do they have a chance to rule the country? NO.

Several polls on Internet will support my point by high margins, majority of Syrians are against an Islamic regime, FFS this is not Afghanistan or Saudi.

 

[king Ale]

Hoori I really don't know where are you going with this

How can I know the numbers? I don't trust any side blindly, including the Syrian TV! Wouldn't I contradict myself if I present you Syrian TV's info as a fact? wouldn't that make me a blinded clown? Jazeera/Reuters says 1300, then it's probably somewhere between 500-1000. You pick a number

what is the difference between 100, 500 or 2500? isn't all the same? does that make the subject more sensitive? innocent people are dying, and it should stop. That's the point. Nobody is supporting these killings, we want these to be sorted out on tables and not streets. The moment NATO steps in, you will hear about hundreds of deaths daily. unfortunately some immature people are wanting that (I am talking about Politicians or activists and not members)..

Now look, it was a question aimed at Rami. He tends to always say what's true and what's not. What's reliable and what's not. That foreign media have an agenda and do report false news, that we should not get our info from there. I asked an honest question, I wanted to know what he thinks about the number of people the government has killed. If he doesn't have an answer, as he admitted himself, how can he possibly be sure that the foreign media are lying?

I once told you this and I'm telling this again, noone holds the absolute truth. When occasions like these happen, those who share the same opinion form a group. They get their news from each other so it well could be a lie spreading and spreading turning into a "fact". Everything coming from outside is considered lies within their group. That's how terrible things are at such events. Rami can't present his info as the truth to us, it was what I was trying to say before you psycho came to make a drama out of it

The number of killed people is important now that we are it btw. I've never been for revolutions and I will never be either. They are doomed to failure. If there is still place for talking remained, I'd be certainly for it, but in no way can I be supportive of a regime which kills its people. It's what I don't understand about you and Rami [don't say now that you are not pro-Bashar please ].

 

[Fred]

Revolutions are doomed for failure? How about Egypt, Tunisia? Soon Yemen?

 

[king Ale]

History has proved how revolutions are doomed to failure. It's tooo early to conclude that those revolutions are far from being failures, I sure hope I'm proven wrong though.

 

[Snoop]

I'm not denying their existence nor their power or having supporters, but this is not the real question...

Are they a majority? NO.

Do they have a chance to rule the country? NO.

Several polls on Internet will support my point by high margins, majority of Syrians are against an Islamic regime, FFS this is not Afghanistan or Saudi.

how do you know? I can't know. you don't know how much people wear burqas here, or in jeser shghur (I always hated that town, they are very extremist ). Damascus () is so different, very far away by our Afghani style cities. Hamah, Aleppo, Idleb and the likes are full of them..

To be fair with you, in all honesty, Syria has two problems, extrimists and Alawis. Both of them are dangerous to other, but I prefer Alawis over those anytime. At least those are hungry for money, while the others are crazy fucks. they would have orgasms on controlling our lives. Look at Alawis Gaith. they are not even 10% no? and they controlled the Country for 5 decades, you know that extremists are much more than that, you know where I am getting at? There is always a possibility and risk. Some exaggerate and some underrate, we never know..

Now look, it was a question aimed at Rami. He tends to always say what's true and what's not. What's reliable and what's not. That foreign media have an agenda and do report false news, that we should not get our info from there. I asked an honest question, I wanted to know what he thinks about the number of people the government has killed. If he doesn't have an answer, as he admitted himself, how can he possibly be sure that the foreign media are lying?

Because we say many times on how foreign media gave false news (many incidents), his English is not perfect, so he could be misunderstood. That incident in my city? They said it happened in my city, and the place, it is only two minutes away by walking to me, if it happened for real, I would hear the voices and people talking about it, I went to see the place, and asked some guys I know there about it, and they laughed about it, nothing happened, it was a fabrication.. many incidents like these happened..

I once told you this and I'm telling this again, noone holds the absolute truth. When occasions like these happen, those who share the same opinion form a group. They get their news from each other so it well could be a lie spreading and spreading turning into a "fact". Everything coming from outside is considered lies within their group. That's how terrible things are at such events. Rami can't present his info as the truth to us, it was what I was trying to say before you psycho came to make a drama out of it

This is very true, but as I said it before, these are from people I know for a looong time, they told me the incidents they saw with their own eyes. I rarely commented on things I have no clue about, but for things I know, I commented on the funny lies. and believe me, there are a lot.. But you picked your side long time ago Hoori, against your governments pals, you hate Najad, automatically you don't like Basahar and blamed him everything. is that impossible? how could you call me one sided, when I am actually the only one in this thread talking for both sides?

The number of killed people is important now that we are it btw. I've never been for revolutions and I will never be either. They are doomed to failure. If there is still place for talking remained, I'd be certainly for it, but in no way can I be supportive of a regime which kills its people. It's what I don't understand about you and Rami [don't say now that you are not pro-Bashar please ].

again, you are ignoring the FACT that he isn't killing people for demonstrating, you are believing in that scenario, and refusing the other possibility. There is a group that are conflicting with the army and burning here and there. not everyone on street is demonstrating peacefully. as long as you ignore this fact, your arguments will not make any sense. You need to be convinced that there are people that are shooting the army, and you can't stop them with throwing roses to them. Your brain in blocked to this part I am scared, this is where we are struggling, sorry for the honest words, but I still love you

Revolutions are doomed for failure? How about Egypt, Tunisia? Soon Yemen?

Different cases different places and different purposes and people. not necessary to happen the same thing, we never know..

 

[king Ale]

how do you know? I can't know. you don't know how much people wear burqas here, or in jeser shghur (I always hated that town, they are very extremist ). Damascus () is so different, very far away by our Afghani style cities. Hamah, Aleppo, Idleb and the likes are full of them..

To be fair with you, in all honesty, Syria has two problems, extrimists and Alawis. Both of them are dangerous to other, but I prefer Alawis over those anytime. At least those are hungry for money, while the others are crazy fucks. they would have orgasms on controlling our lives. Look at Alawis Gaith. they are not even 10% no? and they controlled the Country for 5 decades, you know that extremists are much more than that, you know where I am getting at? There is always a possibility and risk. Some exaggerate and some underrate, we never know..



Because we say many times on how foreign media gave false news (many incidents), his English is not perfect, so he could be misunderstood. That incident in my city? They said it happened in my city, and the place, it is only two minutes away by walking to me, if it happened for real, I would hear the voices and people talking about it, I went to see the place, and asked some guys I know there about it, and they laughed about it, nothing happened, it was a fabrication.. many incidents like these happened..




This is very true, but as I said it before, these are from people I know for a looong time, they told me the incidents they saw with their own eyes. I rarely commented on things I have no clue about, but for things I know, I commented on the funny lies. and believe me, there are a lot.. But you picked your side long time ago Hoori, against your governments pals, you hate Najad, automatically you don't like Basahar and blamed him everything. is that impossible? how could you call me one sided, when I am actually the only one in this thread talking for both sides?


again, you are ignoring the FACT that he isn't killing people for demonstrating, you are believing in that scenario, and refusing the other possibility. There is a group that are conflicting with the army and burning here and there. not everyone on street is demonstrating peacefully. as long as you ignore this fact, your arguments will not make any sense. You need to be convinced that there are people that are shooting the army, and you can't stop them with throwing roses to them. Your brain in blocked to this part I am scared, this is where we are struggling, sorry for the honest words, but I still love you


Different cases different places and different purposes and people. not necessary to happen the same thing, we never know..

You contradicted yourself for like 12 times in that single post. It's now clear to me that you are exactly one of those who have the delusion of knowing the truth all the time, no, you don't. It just makes you look less reliable than you actually are.

 

[Snoop]

whatever lol

we are running in a circle all of us, it is stupid to waste all these time for nothing. Hopefully this will teach me to stop having serious discussion with anyone on internet from now on, that arguing on internet smiley is absolutely true, I am dumber than it

All these for what? to convince someone in Libya, Iran, Romania and Jordan why I am against the trouble makers in my country, they should give me a special Olympic medal for this

 

[king Ale]

I love discussing things on the internet as long as I get to learn something. In quite a few of them though there is no place for that so you should always put an end to them

 

[Snoop]

That is true, but unfortunately, there is nothing to learn in this thread..

as for the contradiction part, I am sure you picked some words or sentences, instead of understanding the whole idea. There are two bad groups in this case, and I am picking the less worse one. That doesn't make me a supporter, it is what the current time offering me. I would pick dictators or thieves on people who think they are living in tenth century. Both are horrible, but if you have to pick one, you pick the less harmful and the one that stays away from you and that can offer you more freedom or better to say less interfering. In you country Hoori, I would pick a criminal as a leader, instead of living in cage and having stone age life.. I hope you get this, I can't explain any further, if you can't understand it, then we really need to stop this.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

History has proved how revolutions are doomed to failure. It's tooo early to conclude that those revolutions are far from being failures, I sure hope I'm proven wrong though.

 

[Azzurri7]

I never said that... I said the foreign media were lying about their coverage to the events in Syria; I never mentioned numbers.
I think those are two different things.

You've always said that the numbers foreign media and press are spreading concerning deaths are bullshits and lies.

I am not saying you are wrong, did I? I said I have concerns, I am not easily convinced like you that there is no risk in coming those extremists in power. I have worries. Maybe I am worried for nothing, but I or you would never know.. Do you forget that the word "ikhwan" was banned all these time? They were not everywhere (3alanan), so I will not be surprised if they pop up now at this golden moment..

Why don't you want to take Egypt for an example? People were concerned there too. Even more than you since the "Ikhwan" as party were growing more than ever? Add to that Ikhwan party are based in Cairo. Just because some of you are living in this extremists fear doesn't mean the Assad family should stay in power for infinity. Does it even make sense?

 

[Azzurri7]

Why do I feel that you're siding with the regime just because of the trident bond Iran-Hezbollah-Hamas and nothing else?? Am I wrong?

 

[Azzurri7]

One famous Lebanese comedian on his Facebook

مش لازم حدا من اللبنانيين يتدخّل بالشأن الداخلي الشقيق.. هني في شي مرة تدخّلو بشؤوننا؟؟

Lebanese shouldn't interfere in the Syrian political interior problems. Have they ever interfered in ours?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Change is inevitable. Not only in Syria but all countries, those have puppets as presidents who dictates what they have been told. Regimes which don't represent will of people can't last long.

 

[Snoop]

You've always said that the numbers foreign media and press are spreading concerning deaths are bullshits and lies.



Why don't you want to take Egypt for an example? People were concerned there too. Even more than you since the "Ikhwan" as party were growing more than ever? Add to that Ikhwan party are based in Cairo. Just because some of you are living in this extremists fear doesn't mean the Assad family should stay in power for infinity. Does it even make sense?

Egypt is the worst example, are you trying to scare me? lol

We never witnessed a church being destroyed/bombed, or a huge conflict between Muslims and Christians and ending with many deaths here. Or what Lebanon saw decades ago, civil war, Christians and Muslims killing each others.. thanx for the Syrian agents

once this regime and Syrian intelligence are down, the possibility of seeing it is much bigger..

and I also heard few weeks ago, there was another conflicts against Christians in Egypt. they didn't elect the politicians yet, you won't see the outcome so soon like you think, it takes years for a country to take another shape after revolution.

 

[Snoop]

3anjad hmar ana, lssa brja3 bfout 3al forums, ou bi hal thread, b2ra hal posts. ou akid wahad mnkon rah y3asibni kamen bklme aw shi. Not saying these kind of arguments, something disrespecting or childish.

 

[Azzurri7]

Egypt is the worst example, are you trying to scare me? lol

Why is it the worse example? The Ikhwan in Egypt are like 20x more than the ones in Syria. A lot more. Why shouldn't we take them as an example? People were talking about extremists taking over after Mubarak stepping down, but nothing happened, of course few clashes will happen, this is called the remaining of the revolution, but I am also sure once they form a new Gov and have a new President things will look much better. People will vote and Ikhwan wont be elected.

You're putting too many probabilities, the odds of these things you mentioned happening are far away. Just give the people their freedom, their rights and you'll have an open mind person welling to take the whole mess left by Assad regime into a better level.

Not everyone is extremists, open minded people exist, release the prisoners, you have many great thinkers, philosophers, politicians, journalists, judges, generals... and people will elect for the ones they feel he can represent them.

People have the rights to elect for the first time in over 40+years.

 

[Snoop]

Why is it the worse example? The Ikhwan in Egypt are like 20x more than the ones in Syria. A lot more. Why shouldn't we take them as an example? People were talking about extremists taking over after Mubarak stepping down, but nothing happened, of course few clashes will happen, this is called the remaining of the revolution, but I am also sure once they form a new Gov and have a new President things will look much better. People will vote and Ikhwan wont be elected.

You're putting too many probabilities, the odds of these things you mentioned happening are far away. Just give the people their freedom, their rights and you'll have an open mind person welling to take the whole mess left by Assad regime into a better level.

Not everyone is extremists, open minded people exist, release the prisoners, you have many great thinkers, philosophers, politicians, journalists, judges, generals... and people will elect for the ones they feel he can represent them.

People have the rights to elect for the first time in over 40+years.

I am yet to see them. gotta admit thou, I like Burhan ghalyoun, he is Homsi thinks good and act matured. Others who appear on TVs are horrible, they bark and bark, like they are in streets, at least Burhan gives you good points, and he knows how to talk and think..You know Haysam maleh? akhoul sharmota ka2anno baya3 khdar ou 3ambshki as3ar ilo khdra. The way he talks is disgusting, google him and find his interviews.

 

[JCK]

So, anything will happen with these demonstrations?