Swiss vote to ban minaret construction (14 Viewers)
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It's a harassment.
I was in Skopje, Macedonia, this summer and even though the majority of the people there aren't Muslim, there are 1/4 Muslims in the town and the loud sound at dawn that guy makes was unbearable, even though I was sleeping in the Christian part of the town.
If someone plays loud music at 4 am people will call the police.
I was in Skopje, Macedonia, this summer and even though the majority of the people there aren't Muslim, there are 1/4 Muslims in the town and the loud sound at dawn that guy makes was unbearable, even though I was sleeping in the Christian part of the town.
If someone plays loud music at 4 am people will call the police.
Then a ban on the call to prayer by loudspeaker on the minaret would suffice, would it not?
But then I could see free speech issues arise with that.
Either way, this is indeed extremism by this right-wing party. If European governments continue to move this way, Europe might not be a great place to live in another few decades.
Rightfully, though. Here it's against the law to disturb the peace.
But then I could see free speech issues arise with that.
Either way, this is indeed extremism by this right-wing party. If European governments continue to move this way, Europe might not be a great place to live in another few decades.
Rightfully, though. Here it's against the law to disturb the peace.
Swiss minaret ban discriminates against Muslims, says UN expert
UN Special Rapporteur, Asma Jahangir
30 November 2009 – An independent United Nations expert on religious freedom today voiced regret at the Swiss vote to ban the construction of new minarets, stating that such a prohibition clearly discriminates against Muslims.
“I have deep concerns at the negative consequences that the outcome of the vote will have on the freedom of religion or belief of members of the Muslim community in Switzerland,” Asma Jahangir, the Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, stated in a news release.
“Indeed, a ban on minarets amounts to an undue restriction of the freedom to manifest one’s religion and constitutes a clear discrimination against members of the Muslim community in Switzerland,” she added, also noting that the UN Human Rights Committee stated a month ago that such a ban is contrary to the country’s obligations under international human rights law.
“This vote reminds us that no societies are immune to religious intolerance,” stressed Ms. Jahangir, adding that “it is therefore more than ever necessary to continue raising awareness and educating people about religious diversity, enabling all societies to adopt an enlightened and progressive attitude towards the beliefs of other communities.”
Doing so will help to eliminate the grounds for “irrational fears” towards Muslims, which have been exploited in Switzerland for political purposes,” she warned.
The Special Rapporteur urged authorities in Switzerland, which has ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to take the necessary measures to fully protect the right to freedom of religion or belief for the Muslim community.
Ms. Jahangir, who carries out her work in an independent and unpaid capacity, reports to the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Council.
UN Special Rapporteur, Asma Jahangir
30 November 2009 – An independent United Nations expert on religious freedom today voiced regret at the Swiss vote to ban the construction of new minarets, stating that such a prohibition clearly discriminates against Muslims.
“I have deep concerns at the negative consequences that the outcome of the vote will have on the freedom of religion or belief of members of the Muslim community in Switzerland,” Asma Jahangir, the Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, stated in a news release.
“Indeed, a ban on minarets amounts to an undue restriction of the freedom to manifest one’s religion and constitutes a clear discrimination against members of the Muslim community in Switzerland,” she added, also noting that the UN Human Rights Committee stated a month ago that such a ban is contrary to the country’s obligations under international human rights law.
“This vote reminds us that no societies are immune to religious intolerance,” stressed Ms. Jahangir, adding that “it is therefore more than ever necessary to continue raising awareness and educating people about religious diversity, enabling all societies to adopt an enlightened and progressive attitude towards the beliefs of other communities.”
Doing so will help to eliminate the grounds for “irrational fears” towards Muslims, which have been exploited in Switzerland for political purposes,” she warned.
The Special Rapporteur urged authorities in Switzerland, which has ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to take the necessary measures to fully protect the right to freedom of religion or belief for the Muslim community.
Ms. Jahangir, who carries out her work in an independent and unpaid capacity, reports to the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Council.
Khalid, Saudi Arabia is one hell of a country.. Racism is a small problem compared to all the human rights violations in the Shari'a Law they apply. (I am not saying Egypt is great either)
Now regarding this topic,
If the problems with the Minarets are because of the Noise, then Yes it should be banned. Noise coming from a disco is as bad as one coming from a minaret as bad as one coming from a church. They all deserve equal treatment as they all are NOISE.
However, sadly according to the posted article and the few stuff i have heard about this, it seems that the point of banning Minarets was not because of the noise it generated. The Fliers with the Veiled woman and the "missiles" as well as what the article says shows that it is against the construction of Minarets because they are visible symbols for Islam. This makes it a different argument.
The argument about Noise is not the one in hand.
The real argument is whether Muslims should be able to have large tall visible symbols of Islam in a non-muslim community.
Again, all religious symbols should be treated equally as SYMBOLS regardless of whether they represent Islam, Paganism, Buddhism or Christianity.
Either Ban the construction of ALL SYMBOLIC BUILDINGS or allow them ALL.
Since
(1) Noise generated is not the problem.
(2) Only Muslim symbolic buildings are banned.
(3) The Fliers & claims made by the party support (1) & (2)
Therefore, they are racist assholes.
Now regarding this topic,
If the problems with the Minarets are because of the Noise, then Yes it should be banned. Noise coming from a disco is as bad as one coming from a minaret as bad as one coming from a church. They all deserve equal treatment as they all are NOISE.
However, sadly according to the posted article and the few stuff i have heard about this, it seems that the point of banning Minarets was not because of the noise it generated. The Fliers with the Veiled woman and the "missiles" as well as what the article says shows that it is against the construction of Minarets because they are visible symbols for Islam. This makes it a different argument.
The argument about Noise is not the one in hand.
The real argument is whether Muslims should be able to have large tall visible symbols of Islam in a non-muslim community.
Again, all religious symbols should be treated equally as SYMBOLS regardless of whether they represent Islam, Paganism, Buddhism or Christianity.
Either Ban the construction of ALL SYMBOLIC BUILDINGS or allow them ALL.
Since
(1) Noise generated is not the problem.
(2) Only Muslim symbolic buildings are banned.
(3) The Fliers & claims made by the party support (1) & (2)
Therefore, they are racist assholes.
I live like 200m from the mosque and at the beginning it was damn annoying, but than again now I'm used to and I don't even notice the sound. However there were times when they increased the sound and that was unbearable. I think that many complained and now it's normal again.
Still my point is all they had to do is to forbid speakers if it's disturbing. Even I, non-muslim, think it's funny to have mosque without minaret, it's ridicoulus.
Here is the picture of that mosque taken few yrs ago:
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Ofcourse it takes a Saudi defend this BS 
That may attract media attention the most, but what will happen the most is boycotting or not buying anything Swiss. For a country that relies so much on its PR and "nice" image, its pretty funny way of completely changing that.
That may attract media attention the most, but what will happen the most is boycotting or not buying anything Swiss. For a country that relies so much on its PR and "nice" image, its pretty funny way of completely changing that.
Even though Swiss had nothing to do with the cartoons
Fuck Life!
The shari'a law is actually supported by almost 75% of The people who are deeply religious. I'm not a religious man myself and if it was up to me I'd change a lot of things. However, I respect the wish of the majority for now. It always takes a new generation to turn things around in a nation and it's already starting to happen.
Human rights? What rights exactly are you talking about?
racist.
Human rights? What rights exactly are you talking about?
Ofcourse it takes a Saudi defend this BS