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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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My points are:

1. We bring back Bonucci which is the biggest disadvantage for me.
2. We lose Caldara who's a bright prospect just to bring back Bonucci.
3. We make our bitter rivals Milan stronger by giving them Higuain under very plausible conditions (loan, only 55mln total fee) who will carry them into top4. Don't tell me 55mln for one of the best strikers in the game is some heavy fee. Atletico paid over 50mln for Diego Costa even though he couldn't play for half a year, is the same age as Higuain and had totally no future at Chelsea.
4. We take a huge flop with totally unreasonable wages away from them.
5. Higuain has been a great players for us, he appreciated Juve, showed his gratitude every time when he spoke and on the pitch. Caldara was also very excited to finally come to us and we are shipping these two great lads out just to bring that fucking bitch back. I just feel so sorry for Pipa and Mattia. It's a fucking disgrace.
my response:
1. Not sure why that's a mistake other than depriving some of Juve fans of mocking him on twitter
2. Yeah that sucks. But Caldara is, as you said, a prospect. There's no way we know if he turns out to be great. I remember when Ogbonna was a prospect.
3. Milan might feel a bitter rivalry between themselves and us, but it's not mutual. They are nowhere near where we are. 55m is the right fee for a 31 year old box striker who's painfully slow. How much would you have paid for Cavani, Benzema or Lewandowski?
4. It was a flop for them not us. He was great here. By your logic Edgar Davids should've never put on a Juve shirt.
5. That's from the player perspective. I'm not as a Juve fan I care about it much. Yeah it sucks for Caldara but remember he's a big Nesta fan, and he'll be alright. Also, as a wise man once said, never feel sorry for millionaires.
 

Monty

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May 2, 2017
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Once again, I'd also like to point out to the younger fans, AC Milan are not our "bitter rivals".

We have always been friendly with Milan, Bayern and Madrid.

This is from an article in 2003:

Excellent relations
In such a context, one might expect the two clubs to be bitter rivals. Yet the economic reality of Italian football is such that they enjoy excellent relations, a point emphatically underlined in 1994 when the two sides drew up a working protocol of mutual collaboration in the areas of sponsorship, franchising, endorsements and TV rights.

Championship rivals
The Juventus-Milan collaboration of the last decade has not always met with total approval. Other Serie A clubs - especially their main championship rivals such as Internazionale FC, Parma AC, S.S. Lazio and AS Roma - have often pointed an accusatory finger at a Milan-Juve 'lobby'. Not for nothing, recent seasons have been marked by public squabbling between Inter and Juve, Roma and Milan, and Lazio and Juve. Yet rarely has there been as much as a word in anger exchanged between the Juventus and Milan camps.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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I have always disliked Milan but they're far from being our bitter rivals. Atleast in this context, they're not our rivals at all. They compete with Lazio and Roma for Top 4. Its not like we're strengthening a direct title rival.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
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It was reported that we were offered 90 but wanted 110. The other report was about Morata for Higauin straight swap.

They both seemed legit.
Look at this list of Chelsea's biggest transfers and tell me how spending big on a 31 year old forward would make sense:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/transferrekorde/verein/631
to find a CF older than 30 on that list you need to go to page 2. The player is, Giroud, who was acquired for 17m euros and is still there.

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I have always disliked Milan but they're far from being our bitter rivals. Atleast in this context, they're not our rivals at all. They compete with Lazio and Roma for Top 4. Its not like we're strengthening a direct title rival.
As a matter of fact the biggest loser here would be Napoli. They will find it harder to get into top 4 with this new Milan and Inter reinforcements.
 

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
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Look at this list of Chelsea's biggest transfers and tell me how spending big on a 31 year old forward would make sense:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/transferrekorde/verein/631
to find a CF older than 30 on that list you need to go to page 2. The player is, Giroud, who was acquired for 17m euros and is still there.
And was give 1.5 year contract only. Somwthing Higuain would never accept. The truth is that Chelsea were never in for him, Sarri probably has very little impact on the transfers there. He will just play with what he has.
 

Tomate

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Jul 19, 2014
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Milan is closer to being like Fiorentina than being Juve.

They are still in shambles. Revenue lower than 200m, huge deficit of more than 60m a year, problems with Uefa that have just been delayed temporarily. Still have to pay off lots of transfers including the Higuain deal, which will limit their budget in the future. The team they have is still mediocre, despite spending money they don't have like crazy.

They are now owned by a vicious vulture fund, who will be ruthless in cutting costs in case they miss CL again. It's more likely than not that they will miss the CL again - Roma, Napoli, Inter and of course us - are better than them, Lazio is competitive enough to finish ahead of them. If they miss the CL, they will have to panic sell and we'll be able to pick any player we want from them, be it Romagnoli, Caldara or Kessie.

We should not treat them with the respect of a true rival. By being worried about them getting Higuain, we give them way too much credit. There is nothing to worry about, we are in a different stratosphere than them. We should treat them with indifference rather than feeding into the illusion that they still are a big club.

In that regard the Bonucci-Caldara-Higuain deal should only be looked through the lense of Juve. Is it a good deal for Juve? Economically yes, on the field we get a player in Bonucci that is currently better than Caldara, while Higuain is not needed.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Look at this list of Chelsea's biggest transfers and tell me how spending big on a 31 year old forward would make sense:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/transferrekorde/verein/631
to find a CF older than 30 on that list you need to go to page 2. The player is, Giroud, who was acquired for 17m euros and is still there.

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As a matter of fact the biggest loser here would be Napoli. They will find it harder to get into top 4 with this new Milan and Inter reinforcements.
Its strange that they have barely reinforced. Would they continue with Mertens as CF ? They would be playing in a completely new setup now. If there's one thing i'd like give credit to Sarri, its that he overachieved with his attacking players imo. Guys like Insigne , Mertens , Callejon etc all thrived under his style of football. Would be interesting to see how Carlo sets them up.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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And was give 1.5 year contract only. Somwthing Higuain would never accept. The truth is that Chelsea were never in for him, Sarri probably has very little impact on the transfers there. He will just play with what he has.
That certainly is a possibility. They'd have to be extremely stupid to buy him.

So we can all agree on how monumentally stupid the Higuain deal was?
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
32,502
Milan is closer to being like Fiorentina than being Juve.

They are still in shambles. Revenue lower than 200m, huge deficit of more than 60m a year, problems with Uefa that have just been delayed temporarily. Still have to pay off lots of transfers including the Higuain deal, which will limit their budget in the future. The team they have is still mediocre, despite spending money they don't have like crazy.

They are now owned by a vicious vulture fund, who will be ruthless in cutting costs in case they miss CL again. It's more likely than not that they will miss the CL again - Roma, Napoli, Inter and of course us - are better than them, Lazio is competitive enough to finish ahead of them. If they miss the CL, they will have to panic sell and we'll be able to pick any player we want from them, be it Romagnoli, Caldara or Kessie.

We should not treat them with the respect of a true rival. By being worried about them getting Higuain, we give them way too much credit. There is nothing to worry about, we are in a different stratosphere than them. We should treat them with indifference rather than feeding into the illusion that they still are a big club.

In that regard the Bonucci-Caldara-Higuain deal should only be looked through the lense of Juve. Is it a good deal for Juve? Economically yes, on the field we get a player in Bonucci that is currently better than Caldara, while Higuain is not needed.
I think they'll be under new ownership soon. I dont see a complete collapse for them. They'll stabilize now and sell the club to the highest bidder in due time.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
12,327
Chelsea are the real losers here. Sarri is going to hate Moratas disappearing acts and Giroud is a glorified Llorente.

Milan get a great young talent and a lethal finisher, despite some regression.

Juve get a guy who less than two years ago was one of the 5 best CBs in the world. He’s only 31, not old for a defender, so the drop last season probably had more to do with what he was surrounded by. He also finished the year pretty strong.

I do like how much more technical we are this year. Cancelo, Bonucci, Can, and of course Ronaldo are all upgrades in that area. And we still have one buy left..
 

Hust

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Higuain-Caldara-Bonucci: the finances
By Football Italia staff


Juventus stand to make a profit of €41.5m on this year’s accounts if Mattia Caldara and Gonzalo Higuain leave, while Milan would only make a small loss.

The two clubs are working on a deal which will see Bonucci exchanged with Caldara, while Higuain joins Milan on loan for €18m, with a €36m option to buy.

The website Calcio e Finanza has broken down the financial details of the prospective transfer.

Both Caldara and Bonucci are being valued at around €40m, and will be part of a direct swap.

Bonucci earns around €7.5m plus bonuses at Milan, but it’s thought he’ll take a pay cut to return to Turin.

The centre-back is expected to drop down to €5.5m, less than he earns at San Siro but more than the €4.5m he was on when he left Juve last summer.

Caldara, meanwhile is to earn €1.5m per season with the Old Lady, but his agents will push that to €2m when he joins the Diavolo.

Both Juventus and Milan are valuing Higuain at close to €55m, which represents his current value on the Bianconeri’s accounts.

When clubs sign a player, they break down the cost of the deal over the lifetime of a contract in a process called amortisation.

Since Higuain signed for €91.3m from Napoli his value depreciates by €18.26m per season, giving a value of €54.78m for the remaining three years on his contract.

That is roughly equal to the total value of the transfer, while the €18m for the loan balances out the depreciation in Higuain's value this year.

He also earns €7.5m per season in Turin, so there will also be a gross saving of around €38m on his wages.

That will of course be partially offset by Bonucci’s arrival on lower wages, while if Pipita earns the same salary at Milan it would effectively just replace the defender’s salary on the books.

Bonucci’s current value on the Rossoneri accounts would be around €33.6m, and with his wages off the books his sale to Juve would have a positive effect of €27.5m.

Caldara’s arrival, assuming a €40m fee, a five year contract and a gross salary of €3.4m would cost €11.4m per season.

If the loan deal for Higuain is as reported, €18m will have to be paid outright for the loan, while his gross salary is €12.7m per season, so that transfer would add €30m to the Rossoneri’s outgoings.

When the deal is taken as a whole it would have a negative impact of €14.6m, which could be covered with the sales of players like Nikola Kalinic.

Milan have to be mindful of Financial Fair Play, so will need to carefully balance their incoming and outgoing players once the deal is complete.

For Juventus, meanwhile, the operation will create a significant net positive on this season’s balance sheet.

The sale of Caldara will bring a €33.4m gain up to June 30 2019, with a profit of €27.24m in total, given he arrived from Atalanta for €18m and has a book value of €12.76m.

Assuming Bonucci arrives on a €5.5m three-year contract, his gross salary this year - based on 11 months as Milan will pay his wages for July - will be €9.33m.

He will therefore add €22.66m to the balance sheet, i.e his gross salary of €28m over the contract plus €40m divided by the three years of the deal.

There will also be a saving in terms of salary though, as Higuain’s gross wages will be off the books along with Caldara’s creating saving of around €12.72m.


Pipita’s loan is equal to the €18m amortisation he would represent on the books, so for this season the Bianconeri would break even in that regard.

The total impact on the balance sheet is positive for €41.5m as long as Milan do buy Higuain outright, otherwise it falls to €23.2m.

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I can't take a feakin' break?
lol who ever takes a break here? :hustini:
 
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    Higuain-Caldara-Bonucci: the finances
    By Football Italia staff

    Juventus stand to make a profit of €41.5m on this year’s accounts if Mattia Caldara and Gonzalo Higuain leave, while Milan would only make a small loss.

    The two clubs are working on a deal which will see Bonucci exchanged with Caldara, while Higuain joins Milan on loan for €18m, with a €36m option to buy.

    The website Calcio e Finanza has broken down the financial details of the prospective transfer.

    Both Caldara and Bonucci are being valued at around €40m, and will be part of a direct swap.

    Bonucci earns around €7.5m plus bonuses at Milan, but it’s thought he’ll take a pay cut to return to Turin.

    The centre-back is expected to drop down to €5.5m, less than he earns at San Siro but more than the €4.5m he was on when he left Juve last summer.

    Caldara, meanwhile is to earn €1.5m per season with the Old Lady, but his agents will push that to €2m when he joins the Diavolo.

    Both Juventus and Milan are valuing Higuain at close to €55m, which represents his current value on the Bianconeri’s accounts.

    When clubs sign a player, they break down the cost of the deal over the lifetime of a contract in a process called amortisation.

    Since Higuain signed for €91.3m from Napoli his value depreciates by €18.26m per season, giving a value of €54.78m for the remaining three years on his contract.

    That is roughly equal to the total value of the transfer, while the €18m for the loan balances out the depreciation in Higuain's value this year.

    He also earns €7.5m per season in Turin, so there will also be a gross saving of around €38m on his wages.

    That will of course be partially offset by Bonucci’s arrival on lower wages, while if Pipita earns the same salary at Milan it would effectively just replace the defender’s salary on the books.

    Bonucci’s current value on the Rossoneri accounts would be around €33.6m, and with his wages off the books his sale to Juve would have a positive effect of €27.5m.

    Caldara’s arrival, assuming a €40m fee, a five year contract and a gross salary of €3.4m would cost €11.4m per season.

    If the loan deal for Higuain is as reported, €18m will have to be paid outright for the loan, while his gross salary is €12.7m per season, so that transfer would add €30m to the Rossoneri’s outgoings.

    When the deal is taken as a whole it would have a negative impact of €14.6m, which could be covered with the sales of players like Nikola Kalinic.

    Milan have to be mindful of Financial Fair Play, so will need to carefully balance their incoming and outgoing players once the deal is complete.

    For Juventus, meanwhile, the operation will create a significant net positive on this season’s balance sheet.

    The sale of Caldara will bring a €33.4m gain up to June 30 2019, with a profit of €27.24m in total, given he arrived from Atalanta for €18m and has a book value of €12.76m.

    Assuming Bonucci arrives on a €5.5m three-year contract, his gross salary this year - based on 11 months as Milan will pay his wages for July - will be €9.33m.

    He will therefore add €22.66m to the balance sheet, i.e his gross salary of €28m over the contract plus €40m divided by the three years of the deal.

    There will also be a saving in terms of salary though, as Higuain’s gross wages will be off the books along with Caldara’s creating saving of around €12.72m.

    Pipita’s loan is equal to the €18m amortisation he would represent on the books, so for this season the Bianconeri would break even in that regard.

    The total impact on the balance sheet is positive for €41.5m as long as Milan do buy Higuain outright, otherwise it falls to €23.2m.

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    lol who ever takes a break here? :hustini:
    u did
     

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    Higuain-Caldara-Bonucci: the finances
    By Football Italia staff

    Juventus stand to make a profit of €41.5m on this year’s accounts if Mattia Caldara and Gonzalo Higuain leave, while Milan would only make a small loss.

    The two clubs are working on a deal which will see Bonucci exchanged with Caldara, while Higuain joins Milan on loan for €18m, with a €36m option to buy.

    The website Calcio e Finanza has broken down the financial details of the prospective transfer.

    Both Caldara and Bonucci are being valued at around €40m, and will be part of a direct swap.

    Bonucci earns around €7.5m plus bonuses at Milan, but it’s thought he’ll take a pay cut to return to Turin.

    The centre-back is expected to drop down to €5.5m, less than he earns at San Siro but more than the €4.5m he was on when he left Juve last summer.

    Caldara, meanwhile is to earn €1.5m per season with the Old Lady, but his agents will push that to €2m when he joins the Diavolo.

    Both Juventus and Milan are valuing Higuain at close to €55m, which represents his current value on the Bianconeri’s accounts.

    When clubs sign a player, they break down the cost of the deal over the lifetime of a contract in a process called amortisation.

    Since Higuain signed for €91.3m from Napoli his value depreciates by €18.26m per season, giving a value of €54.78m for the remaining three years on his contract.

    That is roughly equal to the total value of the transfer, while the €18m for the loan balances out the depreciation in Higuain's value this year.

    He also earns €7.5m per season in Turin, so there will also be a gross saving of around €38m on his wages.

    That will of course be partially offset by Bonucci’s arrival on lower wages, while if Pipita earns the same salary at Milan it would effectively just replace the defender’s salary on the books.

    Bonucci’s current value on the Rossoneri accounts would be around €33.6m, and with his wages off the books his sale to Juve would have a positive effect of €27.5m.

    Caldara’s arrival, assuming a €40m fee, a five year contract and a gross salary of €3.4m would cost €11.4m per season.

    If the loan deal for Higuain is as reported, €18m will have to be paid outright for the loan, while his gross salary is €12.7m per season, so that transfer would add €30m to the Rossoneri’s outgoings.

    When the deal is taken as a whole it would have a negative impact of €14.6m, which could be covered with the sales of players like Nikola Kalinic.

    Milan have to be mindful of Financial Fair Play, so will need to carefully balance their incoming and outgoing players once the deal is complete.

    For Juventus, meanwhile, the operation will create a significant net positive on this season’s balance sheet.

    The sale of Caldara will bring a €33.4m gain up to June 30 2019, with a profit of €27.24m in total, given he arrived from Atalanta for €18m and has a book value of €12.76m.

    Assuming Bonucci arrives on a €5.5m three-year contract, his gross salary this year - based on 11 months as Milan will pay his wages for July - will be €9.33m.

    He will therefore add €22.66m to the balance sheet, i.e his gross salary of €28m over the contract plus €40m divided by the three years of the deal.

    There will also be a saving in terms of salary though, as Higuain’s gross wages will be off the books along with Caldara’s creating saving of around €12.72m.

    Pipita’s loan is equal to the €18m amortisation he would represent on the books, so for this season the Bianconeri would break even in that regard.

    The total impact on the balance sheet is positive for €41.5m as long as Milan do buy Higuain outright, otherwise it falls to €23.2m.

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    lol who ever takes a break here? :hustini:
    Genius moves from Beppe and Fabio. :delpiero:

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    I think they'll be under new ownership soon. I dont see a complete collapse for them. They'll stabilize now and sell the club to the highest bidder in due time.

    And we're helping them do it for the health of Serie A. :touched:
     
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