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dolph

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he has better ratios because he scored 3-4 goals against crap teams in the group stages. in the knock outs, he went scoreless in 39 out of 62 games he played in. that tells you how and where most of his goals come from. Ronaldo beat him in scoring and assisting despite playing his 1st 6-7 years as a right midfielder in Fergies 442. Messi, while playing on the wing in his early year, was always 1. on the right, where he could always cut in to his stronger foot and 2. it was in a 433, where he was playing much closer to the attackers. when Ronaldo started playing on the left of a 433 and as a striker, its a no contest, especially in the knock outs.

Portugal wouldnt even made it out of the group stage without Ronaldo. heck, they wouldnt even qualify. they needed 2 goals from him to draw Hungary to even get to the knock out stage. from there on, it was all defense on one end, and hope Ronaldo does something on the other. which he did against Croatia and Wales, and when he didnt against Poland, they needed Pks to advance. him having a $#@! tournament is a classic hater opinion. but its not only the 2016 tournament, he has played for Portugal in a by far superior confederation to Messi. final-QF-SF-win. those are his results. Messi had 2 back to back tournament handed to him in 15 and 16 when he had the clearly best team in SA, and he still couldnt deliver. home court in 2011 as the best player in the world. nada. he will go down as a failure for his NT, while Cristiano will be remembered as a legend forever in Portugal

maybe you could say more talented, but better? all this playmaking, dictating and whats not wasnt enough to get them past Roma this season. he got shut down vs inter. he got shut down vs Chelsea. he got shut down vs us. so believe it or not, when he faces a good team that wont leave him all the space he could possibly ask for, he suddenly isnt as effective as he is when hes playing in La Liga, or the Leverkusens and Arsenals of the world

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he went scoreless in 8/8 WC knock out games. he went scoreless in 6/10 Copa America knock out games. Ronaldo isnt any better in WC and Euro knock outs, but:
-he played for the inferior team in the superior confederation
-he managed to deliver a title

CR>Messi

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who is he?

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Its not a haiter argument that Ronaldo had a bad EC, it is a statement from one who saw the EC. He had one good game against Hungary, the rest he was crap.

Messi scored plenty of important goals, just like Ronaldo. They also both scored a shit ton of goals against the Legia Warszawas of the world, there is no difference there.

Ronaldo has been shut down plenty of times as well. Non factor against Bayern in the CHL semi, Non factor against a Liverpool in the final, non factor against Uruguay in the round of 16 just to mention a recent few.

The fact is that Messi has scored more than Ronaldo in the games he played, he assisted more and in general has more to hes game.
 

zizinho

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Its not a haiter argument that Ronaldo had a bad EC, it is a statement from one who saw the EC. He had one good game against Hungary, the rest he was crap.

Messi scored plenty of important goals, just like Ronaldo. They also both scored a shit ton of goals against the Legia Warszawas of the world, there is no difference there.

Ronaldo has been shut down plenty of times as well. Non factor against Bayern in the CHL semi, Non factor against a Liverpool in the final, non factor against Uruguay in the round of 16 just to mention a recent few.

The fact is that Messi has scored more than Ronaldo in the games he played, he assisted more and in general has more to hes game.
see, you say he had one good game in the EC. you either make stuff up or you hating

no, not like Ronaldo, cuz Ronaldo has scored more obviously. CL knock out stage goals are by far in his favor. so there is a difference, its just that you dont want to acknowledge it

fact? Ronaldo has scored more goals both for country and club, so how is it a fact that Messi scored more? Ronaldo has done it despite the fact he spent 6 seasons playing as a RIGHT MIDFIELDER in a 442. this is a no contest
 

Hydde

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You do know Ronaldo isnt free right?! His wages are largely paid by Exor but not the transfer fee...
There is no reason to get Morata as we have C.Ronaldo and Mandzukic with Higuain&Morata having large contracts it just wouldnt be worth it as any attacker we can have will be a sub to Ronaldo...

The annoying thing for me is Darmian since IMO it means no Pogba..
Darmian could also act as a sub for A.Sandro so I guess its not a given that A.Sandro is going to leave.!
Ok lets see. If we swap higuain for morata, we end almost on the same boat economically as we are now, the thing is that morata would be to use on the wing to not overplay costa. Mandzukic is not a winger and should not be used there, he should be cr7s cover and maybe the occasional left wing if none of costa or morata are available.
The same applies to morata to be ronaldos cover in case madz is injured.

Mandzukic will not be here forever anyways, and morata can play the lefteing position more naturally than mandz.

I repeat, mandz should be our back up 9 because thats his best position by far, as shown in the WC. We cant play costa everygame and mandz is not good offensively as a winger.

I dont understand why you say that darmian coming means no pogba? Totally diffeent positions and we can bring both if we insert sandro in the deal.

Another cheaper solution is to use cuadrado on the left wing as a back up to costa, and dybala and berna on the right. Problem solved and we dont need morata anymore.

Sell pjaca, rugani , higuain , sandro and then see how we are
 
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