Summer Mercato Thread 2018 (38 Viewers)

[Cronios]

Such a rumor mess today:
-we are selling Higuain to Chelsea or Milan for 60-65mil
-we are selling Rugani for 45-50mil to Chelsea
-we are selling Sturaro for 20mil in one of the 3 interested midtable EPL teams
-we are selling Pjaca too for 20mil
-Godin rejected Atletico's 4mil offer and agreed terms with Juve for 4.5mil and 20mil for the clause
-Godin gave order to his agent to accept the Atletico 3year contract, but still could go to Juventus for 35mil
-The talks about Darmian further advanced...
-zz might join as technical manager and replace Max at 2020
-pogback
-we are still interested in Golovin

 

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[am0110]

Its not a haiter argument that Ronaldo had a bad EC, it is a statement from one who saw the EC. He had one good game against Hungary, the rest he was crap.

Messi scored plenty of important goals, just like Ronaldo. They also both scored a $#@! ton of goals against the Legia Warszawas of the world, there is no difference there.

Ronaldo has been shut down plenty of times as well. Non factor against Bayern in the CHL semi, Non factor against a Liverpool in the final, non factor against Uruguay in the round of 16 just to mention a recent few.

The fact is that Messi has scored more than Ronaldo in the games he played, he assisted more and in general has more to hes game.

He was poor at Bernabeu until last second bullshit call and penalty against Juve.
True for EC.He was pretty average on that tournament. Portugal won a single game in regular 90 minutes.

 

[dolph]

see, you say he had one good game in the EC. you either make stuff up or you hating

no, not like Ronaldo, cuz Ronaldo has scored more obviously. CL knock out stage goals are by far in his favor. so there is a difference, its just that you dont want to acknowledge it

fact? Ronaldo has scored more goals both for country and club, so how is it a fact that Messi scored more? Ronaldo has done it despite the fact he spent 6 seasons playing as a RIGHT MIDFIELDER in a 442. this is a no contest

Its a fact that he scored and assisted more per game he played. Ronaldo played more games because he is 2,5 years older.

 

[pavluska]

Nice cherry picking stats to fit the narativ.Messi has better goal to games played ratio than Ronaldo, he has better assists to games played ratio.

Portugal became European Champions despite Ronaldo having a shit tournament.

Stats aside Messi is clearly the more influentiel player in the overall game. He creates, dictates play and scores. Ronaldo is one of the best of all times but he is clearly second to Messi.

When your khrum is on the line, who'd you rather depend on, Messi or Ronaldo?

 

[dolph]

When your khrum is on the line, who'd you rather depend on, Messi or Ronaldo?

Messi without a doubt.

 

[DIECI]

Messi without a doubt.

having a wife from Argentina I've been cheering for them for the past 10 years.... I don't trust Messi at all in huge moments. He's a proven failure on the international stage. Superb player, don't get me wrong, but he lacks the balls to win the big one.

 

[pavluska]

There's a classic misconception that Messi is a playmaker and is uber creative.

He isn't. He's a SS (a godly one) who needs a playmaker behind him.

He can't lead the team nor dictate tempo.

Don't confuse dribbling with playmaking.

 

[Juliano13]

he has better ratios because he scored 3-4 goals against crap teams in the group stages. in the knock outs, he went scoreless in 39 out of 62 games he played in. that tells you how and where most of his goals come from. Ronaldo beat him in scoring and assisting despite playing his 1st 6-7 years as a right midfielder in Fergies 442. Messi, while playing on the wing in his early year, was always 1. on the right, where he could always cut in to his stronger foot and 2. it was in a 433, where he was playing much closer to the attackers. when Ronaldo started playing on the left of a 433 and as a striker, its a no contest, especially in the knock outs.

Portugal wouldnt even made it out of the group stage without Ronaldo. heck, they wouldnt even qualify. they needed 2 goals from him to draw Hungary to even get to the knock out stage. from there on, it was all defense on one end, and hope Ronaldo does something on the other. which he did against Croatia and Wales, and when he didnt against Poland, they needed Pks to advance. him having a shit tournament is a classic hater opinion. but its not only the 2016 tournament, he has played for Portugal in a by far superior confederation to Messi. final-QF-SF-win. those are his results. Messi had 2 back to back tournament handed to him in 15 and 16 when he had the clearly best team in SA, and he still couldnt deliver. home court in 2011 as the best player in the world. nada. he will go down as a failure for his NT, while Cristiano will be remembered as a legend forever in Portugal

maybe you could say more talented, but better? all this playmaking, dictating and whats not wasnt enough to get them past Roma this season. he got shut down vs inter. he got shut down vs Chelsea. he got shut down vs us. so believe it or not, when he faces a good team that wont leave him all the space he could possibly ask for, he suddenly isnt as effective as he is when hes playing in La Liga, or the Leverkusens and Arsenals of the world

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he went scoreless in 8/8 WC knock out games. he went scoreless in 6/10 Copa America knock out games. Ronaldo isnt any better in WC and Euro knock outs, but:
-he played for the inferior team in the superior confederation
-he managed to deliver a title

CR>Messi

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who is he?

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wat

Very juvenile to judge who is the better player based on trophies and achievements.

 

[zizinho]

Its a fact that he scored and assisted more per game he played. Ronaldo played more games because he is 2,5 years older.

yes but like i said, Ronaldo played as a right midfielder in Uniteds famous 442 in the beginning. if you take games Ronaldo played CF and LW vs the games Messi played RW and CF/SS, then Ronaldo beats him in goals+assists per game (around 1,32 vs 1,27). numbers are from transfermarkt, and they dont have listed positions for a lot of those early seasons (where Ronaldo was mostly a right midfielder and Messi wasnt scoring/assisting for fun, so probably thats a good thing for Leo), so the stats are incomplete

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There's a classic misconception that Messi is a playmaker and is uber creative.

He isn't. He's a SS (a godly one) who needs a playmaker behind him.

He can't lead the team nor dictate tempo.

Don't confuse dribbling with playmaking.

also this

 

[Ronn]

Isn't there a Messi vs Ronaldo thread already?

 

[zizinho]

Very juvenile to judge who is the better player based on trophies and achievements.

more successful/accomplished. or greater. better player will always come down to how you rate certain aspects of the game

 

[tassard]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Atletico_MD/status/1019594036129271814

Godin is not leaving

 

[pavluska]

Signing Darmian doesn't necessarily mean Sandro is out. Spinazzola is out until December. We could easily make a loan decision in January to sell/loan one of MDS, Spinazzola or Darmian (if he's garbage.

Spinazzola is essentially out for the duration of the season. It takes a while to be 100% after a long-term/ligament injury.

See Marchisio, Asamoah, and Pjaca.

And see Florenzi, Milik, Ghoulam for what happens when you try to rush back.

For others who are panicking, Darmian is being signed as a backup whether AS leaves or not. AS would be replaced by someone else.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Very juvenile to judge who is the better player based on trophies and achievements.

In some instances you are right but not in all instances. Maradona will always be judged as a great because of the world cup.
Messi and Ronaldo being judged on performances is completely relevant to me. Winning 4 of 5 CL and being the main cog in all of those as well as scoring recor goal tallies is as relevant as you can get in sports. Saying that Navas is better than Buffon bc of just the trophies though would be stupid. There is some form of human element to it but stats are what make a player great a lot of times as well as championships.

 

[tassard]

Spinazzola is essentially out for the duration of the season. It takes a while to be 100% after a long-term/ligament injury.

See Marchisio, Asamoah, and Pjaca.

And see Florenzi, Milik, Ghoulam for what happens when you try to rush back.

For others who are panicking, Darmian is being signed as a backup whether AS leaves or not. AS would be replaced by someone else.

Let's hope so

 

[pavluska]

Its not a haiter argument that Ronaldo had a bad EC, it is a statement from one who saw the EC. He had one good game against Hungary, the rest he was crap.

Messi scored plenty of important goals, just like Ronaldo. They also both scored a shit ton of goals against the Legia Warszawas of the world, there is no difference there.

Ronaldo has been shut down plenty of times as well. Non factor against Bayern in the CHL semi, Non factor against a Liverpool in the final, non factor against Uruguay in the round of 16 just to mention a recent few.

The fact is that Messi has scored more than Ronaldo in the games he played, he assisted more and in general has more to hes game.

We were able to shut down Messi.

We were never able to shut down Ronaldo. He reyped us every single time.

Anyway, my last Ronaldo-Messi off topic comment.

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And btw, NTs only have to pay attn to Ronaldo, but Argentina has other great attackers teams have to worry about, meaning more space for Messi.

 

[Mark]

gotta love Sportitalia calciomercato show

 

[Juliano13]

In some instances you are right but not in all instances. Maradona will always be judged as a great because of the world cup.
Messi and Ronaldo being judged on performances is completely relevant to me. Winning 4 of 5 CL and being the main cog in all of those as well as scoring recor goal tallies is as relevant as you can get in sports. Saying that Navas is better than Buffon bc of just the trophies though would be stupid. There is some form of human element to it but stats are what make a player great a lot of times as well as championships.

More accomplishes is one thing, better is totally different. There many great players who for various reasons did not accomplish much.

 

[Tr1baL]

Godin

we must buy pogba now

 

[zizinho]

In some instances you are right but not in all instances. Maradona will always be judged as a great because of the world cup.
Messi and Ronaldo being judged on performances is completely relevant to me. Winning 4 of 5 CL and being the main cog in all of those as well as scoring recor goal tallies is as relevant as you can get in sports. Saying that Navas is better than Buffon bc of just the trophies though would be stupid. There is some form of human element to it but stats are what make a player great a lot of times as well as championships.

Maradona also won UEFA Cup with Napoli (beating Bayern and Juve and maybe inter too, im not sure, in the process), as well as 2 scudetti in the golden era of Serie A football. there is a reason so many from previous generations consider him the GOAT (hes not imo)