Summer mercato 2021-22 (45 Viewers)

[kappa96]

Aouar is at 3G 3A in Ligue 1 (19 games)
SMS is at 4G 6A in Serie A (17 games)
SMS is doing it every year while Aouar might has his best stats this year.
SMS has physique, is a better defender and obviously better in the air.

Aouar - He is dynamic and it is a very good thing considering our current style. He can definitely improve as he is very young.
If we sign Aouar it is going to be a good purchase but I really rather we reach deeper in our pockets and get the ones who can make the difference right now. Future is nice but we also need present..

Also - I dont know how but we should put 100M for Haaland as at 75M we will have to wait and then probably lose to Real or something.. I rather we get him for 100M than not at all...

After we get this midfielder and attacker we will see the Juve we want to see.

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Of course I do..
Pogba is WC
Aouar is very good with potential to be WC but not there yet (IMO)
Locatelli is WC but not exactly the type we need.

Also our current midfield consist of Mck Bentancur and Arthur.
Mck is here to stay while Arthur is proving himself to be valuable which means only 1 spot open.

If we get both Locatelli and Aouar - We would have to change our midfield and with Mck currently our best midfielder it means Arthur and Bentancur will go to the bench - I dont know about Bentancur but I really dont think we are planning to put Arthur on the bench..

This leaves us with Arthur Mck and Aouar/Locatelli (considering we sign one)
Locatelli to me is the better player for his relevant position but Aouar fits this spot better
Pogba SMS - They can both fill this spot better as they can shoot pass and while Pogba can be more effective offensively SMS can also cover well so both can fill it very well.

Aouar - his shooting skills worrying me - Just watch any kind of video you want and you`ll see what I mean..

Thats not how release clause's work .
If he's release clause is 75 million ,it doesn't matter if you offer to pay 100 million.(for a matter of fact ,it actually makes you look stupid).

After you put forth that sum(75 million) you are allowed to negotiate a contract with the player and his representative.

So let's say juve bids 100 and real 75 , he can easily chose real if he wants to go there . He
isn't obliged to go to the highest bidder.
That's the minimum sum(75 million) for the owning club(Dortmund) ,to not having anything to say on the matter.

You have more chances if you offer him a pay increase, though .

 

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[Robee]

Thats not how release clause's work .
If he's release clause is 75 million ,it doesn't matter if you offer to pay 100 million.(for a matter of fact ,it actually makes you look stupid).

After you put forth that sum(75 million) you are allowed to negotiate a contract with the player and his representative.

So let's say juve bids 100 and real 75 , he can easily chose real if he wants to go there . He
isn't obliged to go to the highest bidder.
That's the minimum sum(75 million) for the owning club(Dortmund) ,to not having anything to say on the matter.

You have more chances if you offer him a pay increase, though .

I think he meant 100 mil this summer (before the clause kicks in next summer) but he ain't moving. Would be a dumb move on a personal level.

 

[Orgut]

Dude, don't let the narrative cloud your judgment.

Last season (non-penalty goals, assists, chances created) per 90 minutes:
Aouar 0.2 , 0.2 , 1.2
SMS 0.3 , 0.3 , 1.4

This season (same stats):
Aouar 0.1 , 0.3 , 2
SMS 0.3 , 0.4 , 1.3

Look at the 2 chances per game this season... If Aouar had an Immobile (or Cristiano) in his team...

If we get SMS, it'll cost us at least 80 million whereas Aouar's rumoured price is 40 million and he'll certainly agree with a lower salary which would make another midfield acquisition possible. Don't get me wrong; I'd love SMS and we should definitely try but the odds are slim to none.

Also Locatelli is exactly the type of midfielder we need. Bentancur is just not good enough on the ball to be our regista and Arthur obviously can't do it alone. Plus he has very good shooting capabilities.

Pogba or SMS are more suited to the McKennie role right now, infiltrating and roaming more freely when compared to the building and defending role Bentancur has.

Well I still think Aouar`s shooting skills are lacking.
In any case - Considering what I expect - We would actually be doing well to get Aouar.
I expect Pogba to extend at Man Utd while I expect us to not even bother asking for any of SMS and L.Alberto
Locatelli is an option but Aouar is more suited to the role. I think our board will see it this way as well.

Forward - I really want us to make that splash on Haaland. He would get a huge raise in his contract but we can do it if we give up someone like Dybala who as much as I like him - He is just too inconsistent.

There is another thing we can do IF Inter decide to sell their players (Lukaku Barella)

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Thats not how release clause's work .
If he's release clause is 75 million ,it doesn't matter if you offer to pay 100 million.(for a matter of fact ,it actually makes you look stupid).

After you put forth that sum(75 million) you are allowed to negotiate a contract with the player and his representative.

So let's say juve bids 100 and real 75 , he can easily chose real if he wants to go there . He
isn't obliged to go to the highest bidder.
That's the minimum sum(75 million) for the owning club(Dortmund) ,to not having anything to say on the matter.

You have more chances if you offer him a pay increase, though .

As Robee said - I meant this summer (1 year before his clause is relevant).
The idea is to come fast and sign him before others take action.

@Robee Why do you think it would be a stupid move on his part? Or did you mean our part?

 

[DanielSz]

I think we’re gonna be stuck with Costa next season, similar to the way we got stuck with Higuain last season. His wages will make loaning him out difficult, nevermind selling. Ramsey is in a similar boat, but I’m hoping one of those premier league clubs are dumb enough to take him, even on a loan.

I think Dybala will be sold, contract renewal or not. He just doesn’t fit in the starting 11 and is too expensive to be a backup. Sell Dybala and sign someone like Giroud to backup Morata.

I also think Rabiot will leave and at least two mids will arrive, Locatelli the most likely. Aouar would be great, but Traore would be fine as well.

We also need to get a fullback. Pellegrini will be back, but he isn’t good enough for Juve imo, and should be loaned out again. Loan Frabotta out as well.

 

[Robee]

Well I still think Aouar`s shooting skills are lacking.
In any case - Considering what I expect - We would actually be doing well to get Aouar.
I expect Pogba to extend at Man Utd while I expect us to not even bother asking for any of SMS and L.Alberto
Locatelli is an option but Aouar is more suited to the role. I think our board will see it this way as well.

Forward - I really want us to make that splash on Haaland. He would get a huge raise in his contract but we can do it if we give up someone like Dybala who as much as I like him - He is just too inconsistent.

There is another thing we can do IF Inter decide to sell their players (Lukaku Barella)

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As Robee said - I meant this summer (1 year before his clause is relevant).
The idea is to come fast and sign him before others take action.

@Robee Why do you think it would be a stupid move on his part? Or did you mean our part?

No, I mean on his part. He'd be giving up certain playing time and a certain big money transfer -with a bigger signing bonus- one year later.

I'd bet on someone like Haaland when Cristiano leaves or plays less games. I'm not sure he'd be an ideal partner for Cristiano. Haaland wants every ball delivered to him as well. But if he's available, surely we'll try.

Also I don't think Aouar is better suited since the Bentancur role is more of a deeplying playmaker role -even with Arthur- and not a box-to-box, mezz'ala or trequartista role.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Any chance of Salah fitting into our team?

 

[Orgut]

Any chance of Salah fitting into our team?

He would be our best on the right but arent we have enough of these?
On the other hand we dont really have a LW unless you consider Ronaldo as such.
Of course there are bigger issues in our team..

 

[DanielSz]

He would be our best on the right but arent we have enough of these?
On the other hand we dont really have a LW unless you consider Ronaldo as such.
Of course there are bigger issues in our team..

Correia should be given a chance next season. He’s been a menace on the left wing, albeit in serie C. Still, he just turned 20 and has a bright future. Definitely belongs at a higher level.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Whatever happened to Icardi at PSG? He scored one today but it seems that even Moise Kean has played more and scored more.

 

[Karim30]

Whatever happened to Icardi at PSG? He scored one today but it seems that even Moise Kean has played more and scored more.

He was sidelined by injuries

 

[U Picciriddu]

I think we’re gonna be stuck with Costa next season, similar to the way we got stuck with Higuain last season. His wages will make loaning him out difficult, nevermind selling. Ramsey is in a similar boat, but I’m hoping one of those premier league clubs are dumb enough to take him, even on a loan.

I think Dybala will be sold, contract renewal or not. He just doesn’t fit in the starting 11 and is too expensive to be a backup. Sell Dybala and sign someone like Giroud to backup Morata.

I also think Rabiot will leave and at least two mids will arrive, Locatelli the most likely. Aouar would be great, but Traore would be fine as well.

We also need to get a fullback. Pellegrini will be back, but he isn’t good enough for Juve imo, and should be loaned out again. Loan Frabotta out as well.

How much we need for Costa to avoid a loss?

 

[s4tch]

How much we need for Costa to avoid a loss?

should be around 10m iirc. the problem is not his book value, but his wages though.

 

[Karim30]

Apparently Leeds and Wolves are interested in Douglas

 

[ilmetronome]

No, I mean on his part. He'd be giving up certain playing time and a certain big money transfer -with a bigger signing bonus- one year later.

I'd bet on someone like Haaland when Cristiano leaves or plays less games. I'm not sure he'd be an ideal partner for Cristiano. Haaland wants every ball delivered to him as well. But if he's available, surely we'll try.

Also I don't think Aouar is better suited since the Bentancur role is more of a deeplying playmaker role -even with Arthur- and not a box-to-box, mezz'ala or trequartista role.

In defensive role too
I don't think aouar and arthur partnertship will be enough to cover our mid againts counter

But i start considering milinkovic/pogba would fit with arthur too. Offensive and defensive wise. Interesting. They have good long ball too. Although their contribution in advancing to penalty area would be restricted. But they would fit in mckennie's role too if needed.
More difficult operation though for milinkovic than aouar-locatelli.


Either way, aouar-locatelli or milinkovic/pogba operation, rabiot and ramsey have to go. If we choose milinkovic/pogba operation, still need one more mid. I prefer fagioli or other u-23 mid.

 

[DanielSz]

Traore would be a great fit as he can play AM and CM, along with the wing. A cheaper, more versatile alternative to Aouar. I think Locatelli is coming, I’d be surprised if he ended up anywhere else.

 

[Van Helsing]

Of course I do..
Pogba is WC
Aouar is very good with potential to be WC but not there yet (IMO)
Locatelli is WC but not exactly the type we need.

 

[Orgut]

Well he is...
He is one of the best in his role...

P.S Anyone who ever dared to think about L.Alberto - Its officially off the table.
He just defied Ronaldo...

 

[Dostoevsky]

I doubt you can be a world class player being 23 year old at Sassuolo, having won nothing so far, barely playing for the NT.

He's a great option and has tons of potential but that's about it so far. He's yet to prove everything. At this point he's a big fish in a small pond.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Of course I do..
Pogba is WC
Aouar is very good with potential to be WC but not there yet (IMO)
Locatelli is WC but not exactly the type we need.

locatelli is world class but Aouar has potential to be world class? come again?

 

[Orgut]

locatelli is world class but Aouar has potential to be world class? come again?

At his role...
Aouar is not playing the same role as Locatelli therefore they are not comparable.
Locatelli is currently one of the best in his role.
Aouar is very good but he has other attributes to be judged on.

P.S I also said I`d take Aouar over Locatelli because of this role thing

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I doubt you can be a world class player being 23 year old at Sassuolo, having won nothing so far, barely playing for the NT.

He's a great option and has tons of potential but that's about it so far. He's yet to prove everything. At this point he's a big fish in a small pond.

I guess you have a valid point but he also plays for the national team where he is doing a great job.