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GordoDeCentral

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I don't like at all the idea of Pogba playing like an AM. He said that his prepare for a more offensive role, nothing more.




Compare Zaza with Draxler is like pushing the bar too much. Draxler healthy should be the 10 in german squad. Maybe compare Berardi with Draxler is a more balance match



I'm 100% agree with the first part of yours post. But I don't think Pereyra should be a starter in our team. Khedira level is very difficult to predict and I don't trust completely in our others options: Asamoah (get injured a lot + I'd rather when we use like Licht), Padoin (a good player for the bench) and Sturaro. I'd rather another option for Pereyra and another for the rest of our midfield
i am not, i said im not counting zaza, meaning im only including dybala as real potential
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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He is a solid option, but I believe he lacks the temperament and veritable quality to be a starting option and true WC option for us. He is too inconsistent and loses his cool too often for my liking. I just don't see him becoming World Class, which doesn't mean I don't think he will be a very good player.
Too inconsistent...wtf.

He's already posted amazing numbers in his first two seasons in Serie A, and he is only 21 - clearly has all the attributes to become one world class one day soon.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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People are seriously over-rating Berardi. He has solid stats for Sassuolo, but there is nothing to suggest that he is going to become a WC talent.
Solid? Wow that's unfair. The kid is a top talent doing very well for second consecutive year in Serie A. Last season he was the best assist man in the league along with Dybala and Vasquez. 10 assist and 15 goals is very good and in the previous season he pulled off very good numbers as well.

Nobody knows if he turns out to be WC that's impossible to say he will or not and take it for granted.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Too inconsistent...wtf.

He's already posted amazing numbers in his first two seasons in Serie A, and he is only 21 - clearly has all the attributes to become one world class one day soon.
He will score 3 goals in a game, then pick up a few yellows or a red, get suspended, then maybe score another 2 goals in another game, and his disciplinary problems will resurface again. That is what I mean by inconsistent. You can't count on him to deliver regularly, and that is for a team like Sassuolo. His numbers are inflated because he is playing for a shitty team. If he were at Juventus, it is unlikely that he'd be scoring goals for fun or providing as many assists. I don't doubt he is a good player, but I have serious reservations about him becoming world class.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Too inconsistent...wtf.

He's already posted amazing numbers in his first two seasons in Serie A, and he is only 21 - clearly has all the attributes to become one world class one day soon.
He turns 21 today.
In regards to serie A players younger than 21, he's got the best numbers for the last 30 years (probably even more, I didn't count it prior to 1985).

He's got 48 goals+assists on 58 matches. The closest to him is Alexandre Pato with 43 g+a on 77 matches before he turned 21. In comparison with some serie A legends, Del Piero had 24 g+a on 53 matches, Totti had 25 g+a on 88 matches, etc.

Staying clear from injuries, I don't think there is a risk of not making it big time for Berardi. He scores AND assists, unlike, say, Pato, who got his great number mostly from his goals. The only two attackers we had in the last 2 decades who both scored and assisted that much were Del Piero and Tevez.

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He will score 3 goals in a game, then pick up a few yellows or a red, get suspended, then maybe score another 2 goals in another game, and his disciplinary problems will resurface again. That is what I mean by inconsistent. You can't count on him to deliver regularly, and that is for a team like Sassuolo. His numbers are inflated because he is playing for a shitty team. If he were at Juventus, it is unlikely that he'd be scoring goals for fun or providing as many assists. I don't doubt he is a good player, but I have serious reservations about him becoming world class.
He scored or assisted on 17 of the 32 matches he took part in serie A this season. Tevez scored or assisted on 19 of the 32 matches he played in serie A the same season. That's more or less the same consistency.

Also, it's far from a guarantee that playing for a weaker team makes it easier to score and assist goals.
 

LiquidPLP

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He turns 21 today.
In regards to serie A players younger than 21, he's got the best numbers for the last 30 years (probably even more, I didn't count it prior to 1985).

He's got 48 goals+assists on 58 matches. The closest to him is Alexandre Pato with 43 g+a on 77 matches before he turned 21. In comparison with some serie A legends, Del Piero had 24 g+a on 53 matches, Totti had 25 g+a on 88 matches, etc.

Staying clear from injuries, I don't think there is a risk of not making it big time for Berardi. He scores AND assists, unlike, say, Pato, who got his great number mostly from his goals. The only two attackers we had in the last 2 decades who both scored and assisted that much were Del Piero and Tevez.

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He scored or assisted on 17 of the 32 matches he took part in serie A this season. Tevez scored or assisted on 19 of the 32 matches he played in serie A the same season. That's more or less the same consistency.
Wow, great post +rep. Interesting informations proving even I underrated Berardi :D
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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He will score 3 goals in a game, then pick up a few yellows or a red, get suspended, then maybe score another 2 goals in another game, and his disciplinary problems will resurface again. That is what I mean by inconsistent. You can't count on him to deliver regularly, and that is for a team like Sassuolo. His numbers are inflated because he is playing for a $#@!ty team. If he were at Juventus, it is unlikely that he'd be scoring goals for fun or providing as many assists. I don't doubt he is a good player, but I have serious reservations about him becoming world class.
He has much better odds to become WC than Draxler. Not redeeming Berardi next year is criminal and will not be forgiven
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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He turns 21 today.
In regards to serie A players younger than 21, he's got the best numbers for the last 30 years (probably even more, I didn't count it prior to 1985).

He's got 48 goals+assists on 58 matches. The closest to him is Alexandre Pato with 43 g+a on 77 matches before he turned 21. In comparison with some serie A legends, Del Piero had 24 g+a on 53 matches, Totti had 25 g+a on 88 matches, etc.

Staying clear from injuries, I don't think there is a risk of not making it big time for Berardi. He scores AND assists, unlike, say, Pato, who got his great number mostly from his goals. The only two attackers we had in the last 2 decades who both scored and assisted that much were Del Piero and Tevez.

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He scored or assisted on 17 of the 32 matches he took part in serie A this season. Tevez scored or assisted on 19 of the 32 matches he played in serie A the same season. That's more or less the same consistency.

Also, it's far from a guarantee that playing for a weaker team makes it easier to score and assist goals.
All that needs to be said :tup: As you and I said, amazing numbers from such a young player. Easily the most exciting young player in Serie A and the most exciting Italian player in years.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Well, marotta did mean that. But schalke reacted as a teenage girl.

We since changed tactic and see wether draxler can force them into a deal

Lets see how the second offer goes.
I like that we aren't giving into their ultimatums regards making an offer by Sunday or making an offer of 30m. Marrotta is right in evaluating the player as a buying club, but a negotiation that starts with an asking of 30m, and a first bid of 15m, is likely if it comes to fruition, will perhaps end up in the middle. That is assuming the club are entirely convinced on his injury problems and I'm not sure we are.

whats with benatia rumors?
Wish there was more of that. Benatia, Sandro, Cuadrado and Goetze and CL. :tuttosport:

i rather we get benatia than draxler/cuadrado/saponara
True, agree.

Why do people keep insisting on Vidal2.0? We are a different team without having to shield Pirlo, that being said we are lacking his creativity (along with Tevez but Dybala can ease the pain there). I think Pereyra and Khedira can fill in well enough for the open CM spot and Pogba will continue his rise and have more influence on our team.
Vidal is a very unique player in that sense. He gives you the benefit of almost playing with an extra man, that alone nullifies the argument of a formation as far as slotting him in is concerned. While we lose him, the emphasis will shift to a slightly more fluid attacking talent that will change the way we play and somewhat reduce the impact of Vidals departure but not entirely nullify it.

I don't see how anyone can question his ability.
I don't think we can question Berardis ability, although yes, temperament plays a huge role in making the leap to a big club. Some players don't make that jump in their head and struggle with the pressure. I think though Berardi would make that leap, assuming he keeps his head screwed on straight and stays injury free.
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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He has much better odds to become WC than Draxler. Not redeeming Berardi next year is criminal and will not be forgiven
Didn't people say the exact same thing last season
And there is no official buy back clause right ?
With Vidal out and no proper replacement found, berardi could have played an important role.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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We need a CAM unless Pogba is world class in the position. Vidal was a world class CM and playing him as CAM was a waste of his talents. Pogba is a world class CM and might be a very good CAM who knows but Id rather keep him where he is already growing and flourishing and add a world class CAM.


Is Mata on united's bench? or do you think he will start?
Mata starts for United.

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We need a CAM unless Pogba is world class in the position. Vidal was a world class CM and playing him as CAM was a waste of his talents. Pogba is a world class CM and might be a very good CAM who knows but Id rather keep him where he is already growing and flourishing and add a world class CAM.


Is Mata on united's bench? or do you think he will start?
Mata starts for United.
 
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