Stevan Jovetić - AM/SS - Manchester City (62 Viewers)
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If we can get him for less than 25 million euros and we can't get Higuain, I'd do it.
We need a solid partner for Llorente and we need an alternative to Vucinic.
I'd value him at 20 million but we'll have to overpay for sure. In any case, we can't go into next season with Llorente-Vucinic as our front two.
We need a solid partner for Llorente and we need an alternative to Vucinic.
I'd value him at 20 million but we'll have to overpay for sure. In any case, we can't go into next season with Llorente-Vucinic as our front two.
Baggio, Padoin, and Giaccy have more titles than Jovetic. And that goal scoring comparison... it's silly. Vucinic has scored at least as many goals as Jovetic did last year @ age 22 only twice in his career. One season under Zeman at Lecce (19) and one season at Roma (14 - which is what Jovetic had last year @ 22, off the injury). You saying that Mirko has an average of more goals per season is absolutely silly, it's a relatively meaningless stat when you're comparing him to a 23 y/o who lost a full season to a major knee op.
And if we're just talking about stats, strictly stats - which are prone to providing erroneous 'answers' to these types of questions - Zlatan didn't have a single season goals per game ratio in Serie A as high as Jojo's from last year at age 22, until he was 25 y/o and playing for Inter (I am not projecting Jojo to be a better player than Ibra, just bringing up some stats). So put that in yer pipe, homie.
And speaking of pipes, it's about that time for me
And if we're just talking about stats, strictly stats - which are prone to providing erroneous 'answers' to these types of questions - Zlatan didn't have a single season goals per game ratio in Serie A as high as Jojo's from last year at age 22, until he was 25 y/o and playing for Inter (I am not projecting Jojo to be a better player than Ibra, just bringing up some stats). So put that in yer pipe, homie.
And speaking of pipes, it's about that time for me
And the small matter of the major knee op., is not something we should ignore either. You got 30m? Spend it on Reus or Benzema.
City was genuinely interested, but with Mancini on the outs, who knows how many clubs are currently after the player, or what his price will be? The environment at Fiorentina has obviously changed since the end of last season. Regardless, this talk about him being worth only 15M is nonsense.
We got Vuci for 15 because there were issues, he was out of favour at Roma, and because he was established as a widely inconsistent player. He's also older, so there is no premium for potential; we knew exactly what to expect from the player, and frankly, he's come as advertised. If Mirko could play at the level we know he's capable of consistently, he would have been a more expensive player.
Also, Llorente is, what, 6'5", so there is a bigger player coming in attack.
We got Vuci for 15 because there were issues, he was out of favour at Roma, and because he was established as a widely inconsistent player. He's also older, so there is no premium for potential; we knew exactly what to expect from the player, and frankly, he's come as advertised. If Mirko could play at the level we know he's capable of consistently, he would have been a more expensive player.
Also, Llorente is, what, 6'5", so there is a bigger player coming in attack.
To give you an example, I think Cavani is worth 35m at best. I could well be wrong about my valuation of the player given his exploits and his ability to carry the team. His market rate is closer to 50m ior 55m if you go by his clause, doesn't mean I'd agree.
So to sum up the crux of my argument withou being misunderstood
, it would be silly of us to pay 30m for a player like Jojo. As things stand currently, Mirko offers everything Jojo has except perhaps work ethic, and he will offer it for another two years at the very least. Spending a tonne of money on Jojo to replace someone like Mirko is just a silly move coz we aren't going to be a level above what we are now. 30m is a lot of money even in todays market and it should be spent wisely. Jojo in my estimate and like I said, is not worth more than 12-15m plus Matri and a youngster on loan/co-own.- - - Updated - - -
Not comparing their careers. Just how they fit us currently.
That's what I'm saying.
Way too much. Unnecessary.
12-15m and it's a fair deal all round.
And keep it closed even if Jovetic signs?
this joveitcinjury thing plus the money value is turning into another "do not want van persie"of last season
this guy is young, talented and a very good all rounder forward. just what we need.
good luck getting any good forward for actual value. you are going t ohave to overpay to get a good player. not every team is real madrid off loading thier players.
this guy is young, talented and a very good all rounder forward. just what we need.
good luck getting any good forward for actual value. you are going t ohave to overpay to get a good player. not every team is real madrid off loading thier players.
Nice caps.
I wish I had 30M to spend.
Bud, it's clear we just rate the player much differently, I don't think we're going to find common ground here. Jovetic doesn't need to 'GO ON' to become the 'BETTER PLAYER'; imo, he already is the better player, and he's only 23. He's done very well in CL, albeit over a very small sample.
Also, you keep bringing up other young stars who would be extremely desirable, and I'm with you on a guy like Reus - he would be a great ad. But you don't know his true value either, nor do you know if his club is willing to give him up (they're absolutely not - not for 30M, or the type of money Juve will be comfortable spending). You also don't know if the player has a desire to come to Italy at all - which more and more young players are very hesitant about these days.
Young stars like Reus will have a queue for their services, everyone will have registered their interest at this point, and he will not be moving this window anyway. Think of the players they're already losing, that club doesn't care for the money at this point, they want to compete. They have a duty to their fans. Do you honestly think Real is interested in moving Benzema when they're already letting Higuain go? I doubt it.
So it's not just as easy as identifying another quality target, and abracadabra. There are a load of conditions that need to be favourable for a transaction of this magnitude, and I believe that Jovetic checks a lot of the boxes on our management's list. We'll just have to see how things unfold, and what his value is during this market
Theres a difference between what the market dictates because of ever evolving situations and how you may personally value a player having seen his game and watching other players in general and the overall effect they have on the teams they play for. We may buy Jojo for 40m at the end of it, but that doesn't convince me that is his actual worth to us or to Fiorentina.
To give you an example, I think Cavani is worth 35m at best. I could well be wrong about my valuation of the player given his exploits and his ability to carry the team. His market rate is closer to 50m ior 55m if you go by his clause, doesn't mean I'd agree.
So to sum up the crux of my argument withou being misunderstood, it would be silly of us to pay 30m for a player like Jojo. As things stand currently, Mirko offers everything Jojo has except perhaps work ethic, and he will offer it for another two years at the very least. Spending a tonne of money on Jojo to replace someone like Mirko is just a silly move coz we aren't going to be a level above what we are now. 30m is a lot of money even in todays market and it should be spent wisely. Jojo in my estimate and like I said, is not worth more than 12-15m plus Matri and a youngster on loan/co-own.
To give you an example, I think Cavani is worth 35m at best. I could well be wrong about my valuation of the player given his exploits and his ability to carry the team. His market rate is closer to 50m ior 55m if you go by his clause, doesn't mean I'd agree.
So to sum up the crux of my argument withou being misunderstood
, it would be silly of us to pay 30m for a player like Jojo. As things stand currently, Mirko offers everything Jojo has except perhaps work ethic, and he will offer it for another two years at the very least. Spending a tonne of money on Jojo to replace someone like Mirko is just a silly move coz we aren't going to be a level above what we are now. 30m is a lot of money even in todays market and it should be spent wisely. Jojo in my estimate and like I said, is not worth more than 12-15m plus Matri and a youngster on loan/co-own.
I don't think I've misunderstood you, Sir. I already know that you think it would be stupid to pay 30M for him, that you think it's a risk. That you think he doesn't elevate our attack enough to warrant that expenditure. I get it, I just respectfully disagree with all of that. As I said above, we differ in our evaluation of the player's quality, and it's to the point that there's not much common ground in a discussion like this (other than we ultimately both want what's best for Juve). Last year, the Rats were ostensibly asking for anywhere between 30-40M, they're going to require significant cash for any Jovetic transaction.
People saying no to JoJo, when we are likely to sign another over-rated Italian turd nugget who looks like a fucking ceiling broom 
Stevan Jovetic has admitted that despite rumours of his departure, he dreams of winning the Scudetto with Fiorentina.
The Montenegro international has been heavily linked with a move away from Stadio Artemio Franchi, with reports suggesting that Manchester City and Juventus are both interested in his signature.
But the 23-year-old has insisted that he wants to win the title with the Viola.
“Signing for Fiorentina was great for me,” he told Canal Plus. “I had offers from foreign teams but when I heard about the interest from an Italian team, I immediately said yes.
“It is very different tactically. At the beginning I could not do anything, but after my second year I got better.
“I dream of winning the League title with Fiorentina.”
The Montenegro international has been heavily linked with a move away from Stadio Artemio Franchi, with reports suggesting that Manchester City and Juventus are both interested in his signature.
But the 23-year-old has insisted that he wants to win the title with the Viola.
“Signing for Fiorentina was great for me,” he told Canal Plus. “I had offers from foreign teams but when I heard about the interest from an Italian team, I immediately said yes.
“It is very different tactically. At the beginning I could not do anything, but after my second year I got better.
“I dream of winning the League title with Fiorentina.”
Zip it, and stick to the Giovinco thread mate
Oh, and I love how you are just copying what others say; you have no way of proving what you are saying. It's all hypothetical. I rate Jovetic, regardless of his name and nationality, and would be rather happy to "waste" (according to some people) 20-22 million on him, rather than truly waste in excess of 6 million on the vastly over-rated 30 year old shitbag that some are excited to see here
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@FakeMelo is too incompetent and ignorant to understand such subtleties
Oh, and I love how you are just copying what others say; you have no way of proving what you are saying. It's all hypothetical. I rate Jovetic, regardless of his name and nationality, and would be rather happy to "waste" (according to some people) 20-22 million on him, rather than truly waste in excess of 6 million on the vastly over-rated 30 year old shitbag that some are excited to see here
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Giovetini rather, the letter J is only used in Italian for foreign loan words
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