[SPA] La Liga 2014/2015 (153 Viewers)

[MikeM]

Actually I would argue Messi's impact is more reliant on speed than Ronaldo. If Messi loses his speed then it will take away his ability to beat opponents completely. Whereas Ronaldo without speed can still be used as a target man due to his height, strength, leaping ability and finishing ability.

I guess Messi can still play as a false 9 like Totti but I think people believe Messi will eventually drift into CM or something and just turn into Xavi. I really doubt it.

 

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[ALC]

Actually I would argue Messi's impact is more reliant on speed than Ronaldo. If Messi loses his speed then it will take away his ability to beat opponents completely. Whereas Ronaldo without speed can still be used as a target man due to his height, strength, leaping ability and finishing ability.

I guess Messi can still play as a false 9 like Totti but I think people believe Messi will eventually drift into CM or something and just turn into Xavi. I really doubt it.

I totally disagree with you. Messi's not that fast to begin with and he has a great eye for passes.

The reason Ronaldo gets in those spots as a target man is because of his speed. He relies on it way more than Messi ever has.

 

[Ocelot]

Messi has lost a lot of his speed already tbh, he used to be extremely fast, now he's just regular quick.

 

[A͎u͎s͎h͎]

You know I understand the frustration that real football fans are frustrated with your run of the mill Real Madrid(read CR7) or Barcelona(read Messi) bandwagoner. But IMO the knack of actual followers of the game to try and be "different" is just as frustrating as the bandwagoners who only know the two aforementioned players. Real and Barca along with Bayern possibly are the best teams in the world for the past few years, with quite a distance to the rest. Ronaldo and Messi are better than every single fucking player out there in the past 6-7 years. Admitting these things does not make you less of a football fan, it also doesn't make you a bandwagoner or a fanboy or whatever other terminology we use to describe those non serious football fans we all hate. It just means you're realistic, and you actually give credit where its due.

THIS.

 

[MikeM]

I totally disagree with you. Messi's not that fast to begin with and he has a great eye for passes.

The reason Ronaldo gets in those spots as a target man is because of his speed. He relies on it way more than Messi ever has.

I really don't think so. For me, Ronaldo can score from situations that don't always require you to beat people with the ball or with pace. For example, he can score off a dead ball header. He can score with his back to goal, playing centrally, more like a target man. He can score from outside the box with a powerful shot.

I think this is where Ronaldo and Messi's careers will start to go opposite directions because I think Ronaldo's attributes are all set up for him to focus purely on goal scoring as he ages whereas Messi will focus more on playmaking. For example, Ronaldo might still gather some assists playing centrally but every time he creates danger for teammates nowadays it is coming off the wing with pace. That will go away for sure.

Once Messi loses the ability to outrun 3 or 4 defenders and get into the box, he is left with few weapons to score goals IMO. He cannot score as effectively without pace like Ronaldo can IMO. What he won't lose is his ability to think quickly and combine quickly but his teammates will have to be helping him a great deal if he can't run past people anymore.

 

[zizinho]

MikeM

 

[lgorTudor]

Is it a game changer? I mean, still 50% is distributed based on size and success, so I assume Barca and Real eat a big chunk of that 50%.

Not short-term but in the long run it might be a gap closer. On the free market Barca and Real would find more money than whatever % they'll receive from the socialist cake.

 

[JuveJay]

Messi will end up slightly deeper in a central area, something like Scholes. He'll have left Barcelona by then anyway...

 

[Ocelot]

I heard somewhere that they'll get around 120 million each - previously it was around 140 million each for them.

 

[ALC]

I really don't think so. For me, Ronaldo can score from situations that don't always require you to beat people with the ball or with pace. For example, he can score off a dead ball header. He can score with his back to goal, playing centrally, more like a target man. He can score from outside the box with a powerful shot.

I think this is where Ronaldo and Messi's careers will start to go opposite directions because I think Ronaldo's attributes are all set up for him to focus purely on goal scoring as he ages whereas Messi will focus more on playmaking. For example, Ronaldo might still gather some assists playing centrally but every time he creates danger for teammates nowadays it is coming off the wing with pace. That will go away for sure.

Once Messi loses the ability to outrun 3 or 4 defenders and get into the box, he is left with few weapons to score goals IMO. He cannot score as effectively without pace like Ronaldo can IMO. What he won't lose is his ability to think quickly and combine quickly but his teammates will have to be helping him a great deal if he can't run past people anymore.

The only reason Ronaldo is able to beat defenders for tap in goals is his speed and explosiveness tho. Same with his headers, he can out-jump and out-run players when going for the ball. And he doesn't score from outside the box that often.

I'm pretty sure Messi will outscore him in the next few years just because he's younger. And like I said before, he's not using speed to get past players, he uses body feints. Look at Iniesta, he can easily get past players and he's slow and older than Messi.

 

[MikeM]

The only reason Ronaldo is able to beat defenders for tap in goals is his speed and explosiveness tho. Same with his headers, he can out-jump and out-run players when going for the ball. And he doesn't score from outside the box that often.

I'm pretty sure Messi will outscore him in the next few years just because he's younger. And like I said before, he's not using speed to get past players, he uses body feints. Look at Iniesta, he can easily get past players and he's slow and older than Messi.

Messi needs speed just like Ronaldo to get into the box. Messi doesn't feint his way past 4 guys. He BURSTS past them after he feints. He is just as dependent as Ronaldo IMO.

Iniesta can get past players but he can't get all the way into those vital areas anymore and that's why his influence has declined so sharply. It's one thing to feint a single player in midfield and it's another thing to feint 3 or 4 and get into the box. That takes a burst of speed no matter who you are.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. I think Ronaldo can hold up as a box striker even when he's older. He will not lose height or strength. I'm not saying he's necessarily more talented or smarter than Messi or anything like that, just that physically he has an advantage.

 

[Vlad]

The only reason Ronaldo is able to beat defenders for tap in goals is his speed and explosiveness tho. Same with his headers, he can out-jump and out-run players when going for the ball. And he doesn't score from outside the box that often.

I'm pretty sure Messi will outscore him in the next few years just because he's younger. And like I said before, he's not using speed to get past players, he uses body feints. Look at Iniesta, he can easily get past players and he's slow and older than Messi.

That'a bit ridiculous. Ronaldo has fantastic off the ball movement inside the box. Pure instinct. When he cuts in from the outside, beats his markers with a pace, those are situations when the speed matters.

Inzaghi was one of the greatest poachers of his time and he wasn't particularly fast, but knew where and when to positions himself. Ronaldo's game quite obviously has more to it.

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Messi needs speed just like Ronaldo to get into the box. Messi doesn't feint his way past 4 guys. He BURSTS past them after he feints. He is just as dependent as Ronaldo IMO.

Iniesta can get past players but he can't get all the way into those vital areas anymore and that's why his influence has declined so sharply. It's one thing to feint a single player in midfield and it's another thing to feint 3 or 4 and get into the box. That takes a burst of speed no matter who you are.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. I think Ronaldo can hold up as a box striker even when he's older. He will not lose height or strength. I'm not saying he's necessarily more talented or smarter than Messi or anything like that, just that physically he has an advantage.

 

[Fred]

big lie. they would win both CL finals without Messis goals, he had some crucial goals in important games, including 2 in CL semifinal vs Real, but not nearly enough as you make it seem. majority of Messis goals come when games are already decided...

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was he? what impact he had in the most important 3 games of the tournament? when it mattered, he failed

Seriously

 

[Klovn]

Seriously

I know right

 

[zizinho]

Seriously

are you saying thats not true?

 

[Fred]

are you saying thats not true?

Of course it isn't.

 

[zizinho]

Of course it isn't.

but it is

 

[j0ker]

Cordoba - Barca 0-7

 

[Dostoevsky]

And last week they won 6-0?

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0-8

 

[lgorTudor]

And last week they won 6-0?

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0-8

Now turning off after 0-2 feels stupid