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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,251
or maybe our youth's just suck, i have yet to see one of our "rejects" do anything noteworthy, and yes that applies to giovinco as well
I suppose you didn't agree with the main body of my post, which is fine.

But the youth academy is something that builds on itself. Either way, it needs improvement. My personal belief is that the loaning system is what holds these kids back, but this discussion is for another day. We can obviously keep our identity while having different outlooks on the game.

What if, by chance, in ten years we start playing possession football like Barca, while still keeping a sound defense and work ethic? It's possible.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,869
I suppose you didn't agree with the main body of my post, which is fine.

But the youth academy is something that builds on itself. Either way, it needs improvement. My personal belief is that the loaning system is what holds these kids back, but this discussion is for another day. We can obviously keep our identity while having different outlooks on the game.

What if, by chance, in ten years we start playing possession football like Barca, while still keeping a sound defense and work ethic? It's possible.
did inter play possession football, they played physical intimidating football and they conquered all and it wasnt ugly either. anyhoos styles are opinions, but coming out here and creaming pants over barca is definitely whack.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,251
did inter play possession football, they played physical intimidating football and they conquered all and it wasnt ugly either. anyhoos styles are opinions, but coming out here and creaming pants over barca is definitely whack.
Right, but you're forgetting that Inter had the players to do that. Mourinho didn't just fart that out of his ass like a fiat footballing system. He had the backline and players in front to perform that sort of ball. But this hasn't been Inter's style of play for decades, mind you.

I really don't know why it's "whack" to like possession and attacking football. As a natural playmaker that's all I've ever been about. And in some ways Zizou might not understand what you're speakin'.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
Why didn't Zidane play possession football in all the teams he was in, including the national team where he shunned the world?

Juventus will never ever play possession football simply because our footballing philosophy is that of saving energy to take a direct approach when necessary. If you haven't got that all the time you supported this club then it's about time you understand it.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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Right, but you're forgetting that Inter had the players to do that. Mourinho didn't just fart that out of his ass like a fiat footballing system. He had the backline and players in front to perform that sort of ball. But this hasn't been Inter's style of play for decades, mind you.

I really don't know why it's "whack" to like possession and attacking football. As a natural playmaker that's all I've ever been about. And in some ways Zizou might not understand what you're speakin'.
about zizou, what JCK said, and i said its whack to constantly sing their praise in a frigging juve forum, of course people will like whatever they please
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,251
Why didn't Zidane play possession football in all the teams he was in, including the national team where he shunned the world?

Juventus will never ever play possession football simply because our footballing philosophy is that of saving energy to take a direct approach when necessary. If you haven't got that all the time you supported this club then it's about time you understand it.
But this is fundamentally incorrect.

We have had possession football under our previous managers, especially Lippi. We possessed the ball to perfection in 2003, and have had loads of plentiful attacks in the 90's. We have solid possession now, too.

This whole sticking with a football "philosophy" is a wad of Sebaceous cyst, meaning you can still suit your team to the squad at your disposal.

I'm sure there are tons of folks out there who know more about Juve than me. But I doubt they know more about putting together a system like me.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,251
about zizou, what JCK said, and i said its whack to constantly sing their praise in a frigging juve forum, of course people will like whatever they please
But this is like someone coming up to you on the street and asking, "do you like world class footballers"? Then if you say yes, the dude immediately calls you a Barca fan.

Just give credit to where it is due.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
But this is fundamentally incorrect.

We have had possession football under our previous managers, especially Lippi. We possessed the ball to perfection in 2003, and have had loads of plentiful attacks in the 90's. We have solid possession now, too.

This whole sticking with a football "philosophy" is a wad of Sebaceous cyst, meaning you can still suit your team to the squad at your disposal.

I'm sure there are tons of folks out there who know more about Juve than me. But I doubt they know more about putting together a system like me.
The football we played under Lippi especially in 2003 is nothing to be compared to Barcelona's possession football.

We do hold the ball and play it now as well but that too is far from what Barcelona do.

At any time in history where our teams executed passing football, the approach was to take the ball to the opponent as fast as possible and execute, Barcelona keep possession for a longer period before attempts.

And why sticking to a football philosphy is whatever you described it now where just a few posts earlier you were singing Barcelona's sticking to their football philosophy?
 

rounder

Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
I've been reading the last couple of pages to understand what this whole discussion is about. Right, so some people hate Barca because of their football style and philosophy; and other people think it's admirable and we should be doing the same.

Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on how a team plays football now. Football is in constant transition and there isn't a single team in the world that plays the exact same football throughout its history. This whole Barca possession football is very recent, Inter I clearly remember used to be one of the most attacking sides in Europe; they were nothing like they were under Mourinho.


The point is, I think it's silly to assign one football philosophy to a team. It's managers and players who decide how a team will play its football; it's not like there's a Barcelona philosophy book that has -) Play possession football as their 5th rule.

Regardless of a team's playing style because I think that's entirely subjective, You're perfectly free to like Livorno's playing style over Arsenal's, I don't see how people can look at me with a straight face and say, "Xavi, Messi, Iniesta are not world class players that are one of the best in the game."

It's not like I enjoy admitting it. It really pains me to say this, but they play great football. I appreciate the talent it takes to maintain the possession over such long periods in the match so seamlessly, and I also appreciate the team's ability to boss around Mourinho's Real Madrid like they were a bunch of lost preschoolers.

It's hard to be a football and not recognize the quality this Barca team possesses, unfortunately.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,893
When the hell did we ever play "possession football"? Must have missed that game.

Anyhow, it all comes down to personal preference. Perfect football for me is what Inter played last season (especially in the CL). And this is coming from someone who hates Inter.
Mes que un turd obviously plays a kind of football that is easy on the eye & appealing to many people, but it's just not something I enjoy watching.
 

Yamen

Senior Member
Apr 20, 2007
11,809
I've been reading the last couple of pages to understand what this whole discussion is about. Right, so some people hate Barca because of their football style and philosophy; and other people think it's admirable.
The deal is, if you're on the hating team, you are the corret one and everyone must follow suit. If you or on the supporting team you're gay fanboy. This is what its all about.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
When the hell did we ever play "possession football"? Must have missed that game.

Anyhow, it all comes down to personal preference. Perfect football for me is what Inter played last season (especially in the CL). And this is coming from someone who hates Inter.
Mes que un turd obviously plays a kind of football that is easy on the eye & appealing to many people, but it's just not something I enjoy watching.
:tup:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
The deal is, if you're on the hating team, you are the corret one and everyone must follow suit. If you or on the supporting team you're gay fanboy. This is what its all about.
Didn't I tell you not to take things personally?

I see you as a fanboy, you see me as a hater. I see those who dispise Barcelona as correct but I don't want everyone to follow suit. You consider those who enjoy Barcelona correct as they share the same taste as you.

So no, it's not all about what you summed up, what you just said is how you see the others.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
When the hell did we ever play "possession football"? Must have missed that game.

Anyhow, it all comes down to personal preference. Perfect football for me is what Inter played last season (especially in the CL). And this is coming from someone who hates Inter.
Mes que un turd obviously plays a kind of football that is easy on the eye & appealing to many people, but it's just not something I enjoy watching.
Well said.
 

Yamen

Senior Member
Apr 20, 2007
11,809
Didn't I tell you not to take things personally?

I see you as a fanboy, you see me as a hater. I see those who dispise Barcelona as correct but I don't want everyone to follow suit. You consider those who enjoy Barcelona correct as they share the same taste as you.

So no, it's not all about what you summed up, what you just said is how you see the others.
3ammi Jack - I took it on the other post as it was clear, but then you asked me not to so I dropped it.

As for the other part, I have no problems if anyone hate barcelona, Madrid or even La Liga, on the contrary. It just the attacking on these pages that I find really repulsive.

If one just come and express a point, then that is fine and welcome, but if one start getting on your back just becasue you say they have nice football, then surely that is not the way to do it.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
see, thats where you re wrong we too have had a philosophy(and kinda still do), but when you suck who gives a crap what philosophy or style of play is. And actually it's called identity, and juventus has one and has always had it before the cryff horse shit barca got on, the same cruyff that got destroyed by milan in the old CL final. Strong defense realistic in front of goal, i take heart and sweat over skill any day of the week, and that is why i am a juventus fan.
Actually, Klaus Berggren once said a similar thing to a Danish news paper, when commenting on player's with heart and that fight's contra player's like Michael Laudrup. In a 2 against 2 game, the latter would always lose.
 

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