[SPA] La Liga 2008/2009 (16 Viewers)

[Red]

Those little cunts at Madrid waive the confederate flag at matches, a flag that is known to be a racist symbol of the racist Southern US, so I hope their fans get bombed. A bunch of fucking idiots, that entire club.

No surprise. Real Madrid fans are well known to be a bunch of racists.

Remember the Spain v England friendly in Madrid and the abuse the black England players took?

 

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[Ahmed]

indeed, that was terrible

 

[Yamen]

Racism is quiet known accross spain in general.
Samuel Etoo has had a very fair share of this from the crowds of various teams.

 

[Ian]

I heard that they say it doesn't have anything to do with racism, but they still waive it. I've seen it several times.

If I were to waive a Swastica flag at a match and say "well, it's not about the deaths of thousands of Jews, but rather a symbol of lollypop heaven, as that's what I think it is.." doesn't make it any less offensive.

Fucking idiots.

Actually, the swastika is an ancient and nearly universal symbol for life and renewal, so if that's what you meant by "lollypop heaven", then yeah...

Those little cunts at Madrid waive the confederate flag at matches, a flag that is known to be a racist symbol of the racist Southern US, so I hope their fans get bombed. A bunch of fucking idiots, that entire club.

And the Confederate Flag is more a symbol of "states rights" in a federal system than it is of racism. The Confederacy, the American Civil War, and all the symbols associated with it have been misconstrued by revisionist historians. The Confederacy was not formed to promote racism, but rather to present the alternative of rural agrarianism to the aggressive urban commercialism proselytized by the Union.

But, in the end, your point stands. Racism sucks, and people who use symbols for their racist meanings should really stop and think about the power of symbols and the way that their use can be destructive to all parties involved.

Racism is quiet known accross spain in general.
Samuel Etoo has had a very fair share of this from the crowds of various teams.

That is their way. They usually reserve the most vicious attacks for the best players of colour...

 

[Bjerknes]

Actually, the swastika is an ancient and nearly universal symbol for life and renewal, so if that's what you meant by "lollypop heaven", then yeah...



And the Confederate Flag is more a symbol of "states rights" in a federal system than it is of racism. The Confederacy, the American Civil War, and all the symbols associated with it have been misconstrued by revisionist historians. The Confederacy was not formed to promote racism, but rather to present the alternative of rural agrarianism to the aggressive urban commercialism proselytized by the Union.

But, in the end, your point stands. Racism sucks, and people who use symbols for their racist meanings should really stop and think about the power of symbols and the way that their use can be destructive to all parties involved.



That is their way. They usually reserve the most vicious attacks for the best players of colour...

Come on, Ian. It was a flag that indeed promoted freedom, but not for people of color. That in itself is something not acceptable.

If I were to create a movement where I schemed to kill everyone over 50 years of age and promoted my ideology under a flag of a peace symbol, executed my goal of killing over 2 million people, would it still be alright to let the flag fly at a football match after years of torture? I don't think so. If people were waiving swastikas at various matches well I don't have to tell you the reaction it would receive.

 

[Ian]

Come on, Ian. It was a flag that indeed promoted freedom, but not for people of color. That in itself is something not acceptable.

Well, if that's your criteria for flags, then I think you;d have a hard time finding an acceptable one. I mean, almost every country on the map has some kind of horrible skeleton in the closet. The United States of America killed and subjugated a lot more people of colour than the Confederate States did....

If I were to create a movement where I schemed to kill everyone over 50 years of age and promoted my ideology under a flag of a peace symbol, executed my goal of killing over 2 million people, would it still be alright to let the flag fly at a football match after years of torture? I don't think so. If people were waiving swastikas at various matches well I don't have to tell you the reaction it would receive.

That's entirely my point. The actions behind the symbols are what is important. When you wave a confederate flag while chanting racist slogans, its different than simply waving the flag. I just don't think that because someone used a symbol in one specific way makes that symbol evil or wrong. It's all about the way its used and the context of its use.

And please, where can I sign up for your group? Those geezers are everything that's wrong with the world...:evil:

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, if that's your criteria for flags, then I think you;d have a hard time finding an acceptable one. I mean, almost every country on the map has some kind of horrible skeleton in the closet. The United States of America killed and subjugated a lot more people of colour than the Confederate States did....

That is true. I have grown up through the years and have seen past the nonsense and lies, and admit to wrong doings in our past. But what I'd like to say is it's up to interpretation to what some of these symbols mean, yet one wouldn't be right in waiving a Swastika in front of a Jewish family.

That's entirely my point. The actions behind the symbols are what is important. When you wave a confederate flag while chanting racist slogans, its different than simply waving the flag. I just don't think that because someone used a symbol in one specific way makes that symbol evil or wrong. It's all about the way its used and the context of its use.

So then what are they trying to convey? I still haven't heard a logical explanation for them waiving that flag. So my opinion stands. Real Madrid has known to have racist factions in the past.

And please, where can I sign up for your group? Those geezers are everything that's wrong with the world...:evil:

Lol you're always welcome.

 

[Ian]

That is true. I have grown up through the years and have seen past the nonsense and lies, and admit to wrong doings in our past. But what I'd like to say is it's up to interpretation to what some of these symbols mean, yet one wouldn't be right in waiving a Swastika in front of a Jewish family.

True.

So then what are they trying to convey? I still haven't heard a logical explanation for them waiving that flag. So my opinion stands. Real Madrid has known to have racist factions in the past.

I'm just trying to say that the symbol itself isn't racist. It's the intent behind the symbol that gives the symbol meaning. And I think you know me enough to know that I think all Madridistas are worthless, no good, scum anyway...whether racist or not...

 

[Bjerknes]

True.



I'm just trying to say that the symbol itself isn't racist. It's the intent behind the symbol that gives the symbol meaning. And I think you know me enough to know that I think all Madridistas are worthless, no good, scum anyway...whether racist or not...

I guess that's true. But in the perspective of an American who can't stand some of the racism seen regularly in the states, it just does not go over well with me. Perhaps it doesn't stand for slavery in true meaning, but we have to make sure it's not being used as something to propagate those same suspicions.

If a Madrid fan would be kind enough to explain why they waive such a flag, one that was behind the death of many people, then I might not criticize it's use. But of course I haven't heard a meaningful claim yet.

 

[Ian]

I guess that's true. But in the perspective of an American who can't stand some of the racism seen regularly in the states, it just does not go over well with me. Perhaps it doesn't stand for slavery in true meaning, but we have to make sure it's not being used as something to propagate those same suspicions.

Fair point. From the perspective of a foreigner who has spent a fair amount of time in the states: it is commendable, that as a nation with such a long and storied history of genocide, racism, oppression, and torture; that you have made such amazing progress in your relatively short national history. To be honest, I've seen racism on six continents, everywhere I've ever been. American racism is surely not the worst.

If a Madrid fan would be kind enough to explain why they waive such a flag, one that was behind the death of many people, then I might not criticize it's use. But of course I haven't heard a meaningful claim yet.

Well, I don't think anyone is under the impression that there isn't a large section of Madrid supporters who wish they were living in the republic of spain...

 

[Bjerknes]

Fair point. From the perspective of a foreigner who has spent a fair amount of time in the states: it is commendable, that as a nation with such a long and storied history of genocide, racism, oppression, and torture; that you have made such amazing progress in your relatively short national history. To be honest, I've seen racism on six continents, everywhere I've ever been. American racism is surely not the worst.

One of the scary things, however, is while we are progressing as a nation in terms of accepting other races, we have other problems on our hands. We have a little financial collapse that continues to worsen, and a few experts say we are only a third of the way through it. While I voted for Obama, there seems to be a euphoria over him like he is the messiah, and he will fix our financial problems. Well even I know that our economic problems cannot be remedied by anything Obama does, and the reality of the situation is we are collapsing as a super power.

So while this happens, and our economy gets worse and worse, and our liberties are stripped from us, things might get so bad quickly that people will blame Obama for it. Unfortunately, seeing some of the opinions of our Republican friends who have pledged to criticize Obama no matter what happens, we could have another race problem on our hands in four to eight years. Knowing some people here, it could happen, where people say "damn Black President was always a bad idea !!" and so on, ad nauseum. This sheer trust of Obama could turn out to be a situation where everybody is so let down over him that they turn on him without looking back. We face a lot of problems ahead of us so I don't think we are out of the woods yet.

Real Madrid flags are really unimportant to be honest.

 

[Fred]

Real Madrid sign Julien Faubert !!

 

[Dostoevsky]

They becoming an average team...they already are but it keeps getting worse.

 

[Fred]

He's an average player at best, i just cannot for the life of me understand this transfer, were they really that desperate?

 

[Dostoevsky]

They started shopping crappy players and they are going down.They suck pretty much.

Liverpool will eat 'em.

 

[Enoran]

Dejavu ...
Real Betis sign Ricardo Oliveira from Zaragoza for €9 million

 

[Ahmed]

 

[Elvin]

There is only 2 words worth writing in this thread:

Lionel Messi.

 

[Martin]

There is only 2 words worth writing in this thread:

Lionel Messi.

oh ffs not this crap again

 

[Elvin]

What? Don't be hating, Martin

Last year when Cronaldo was killing it, I acknowledged him as well.